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(09-06-2017 02:09 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  You just answered part of the question about JMU and FBS - research. JMU is, despite having Master's and PhD level degrees, an undergraduate institution. Staying focused at that level has earned JMU's accolades for years, whereas competing nationally for research grants with the likes of the Ivy League, ACC schools, other highly regarded (and well-endowed) private schools would be swimming against the current. I think this also makes JMU, an otherwise fantastic addition to a conference, a potential liability in terms of fit among FBS conferences.

Pres. Alger does seem to want to raise that profile to something less regional, more national, but it is moving at a slow pace IMO relative to the changing college landscape. I just wish the admin would see that connection between sports and academics, but my distant impression is that faculty (Longhorn aside) are generally opposed to FBS due to the resources it will consume/take away from the academics (not looking at the potential windfall for the school and how the faculty might benefit).
So you seem to be suggesting that Dartmouth withdraw from the Ivy League due to their lack of grad programs. Nearly every undergrad school loves to be associated with research schools.
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Looks like a ****** basketball conference. We would not even grace JMU with being in whatever ****** conference ideas they have.

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(09-06-2017 02:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Drop Chattanooga and ETSU and you might have something. Attendance of 8,900 at a 20k stadium for Nooga doesn't cut it for FBS.

I can see why you might say that but ETSU and Chatt would be the best basketball schools by far and they have admins they are willing to do what it takes to move to the next level. The attendance requirements for FBS are bogus and can be manipulated. No way coastal has been averaging over 7k.
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(09-06-2017 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".

It's almost impossible to start a new conference. Taking over a lower conference and transforming it into some thing much better is the practically the only option. Eight schools getting waivers and making the transition appears to be possible, and then a conference with 8 full FBS members has to be made an FBS conference, which would be included in the next CFP contracts in 2025.

Stony Brook and Albany need one more stadium expansion to go FBS. Kennesaw St needs another expansion, but will play a game in the new Atlanta Braves stadium. UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too. Liberty arguably needs a conference. E Kentucky is not on par academically with the others but badly wants FBS and apparently has backers that would make it possible. Jacksonville St is ready for FBS now, as they have been lobbying for Belt membership for years. UNF and FGCU need the A Sun to be a football league to open up their football options.

I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?
In your dream scenario, why does "...Liberty arguably needs a conference."?

(09-06-2017 09:42 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too.

If Army needed a football conference, Army would already be in one.

Army needs to continue the improvement under the current coaching staff. At some point in ~5 years, Army will probably re-visit the question of football conference affiliation.
Army needs a conference for the same reason that Navy joined one. Liberty doesn't have a bowl game lined up which a conference would do.

IMHO, JMU admin are waiting for a group of schools to go FBS with them and want research schools in the north east and FL / Ga schools to boot. The Sun Belt would have been too much an academic downgrade for them. Just have patience for the other schools to fundraise and build FBS facilities. Honestly think the A Sun will evolve upwards as much as the CAA has devolved downwards.
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(09-06-2017 10:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".

It's almost impossible to start a new conference. Taking over a lower conference and transforming it into some thing much better is the practically the only option. Eight schools getting waivers and making the transition appears to be possible, and then a conference with 8 full FBS members has to be made an FBS conference, which would be included in the next CFP contracts in 2025.

Stony Brook and Albany need one more stadium expansion to go FBS. Kennesaw St needs another expansion, but will play a game in the new Atlanta Braves stadium. UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too. Liberty arguably needs a conference. E Kentucky is not on par academically with the others but badly wants FBS and apparently has backers that would make it possible. Jacksonville St is ready for FBS now, as they have been lobbying for Belt membership for years. UNF and FGCU need the A Sun to be a football league to open up their football options.

I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?
In your dream scenario, why does "...Liberty arguably needs a conference."?

(09-06-2017 09:42 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too.

If Army needed a football conference, Army would already be in one.

Army needs to continue the improvement under the current coaching staff. At some point in ~5 years, Army will probably re-visit the question of football conference affiliation.
Army needs a conference for the same reason that Navy joined one. Liberty doesn't have a bowl game lined up which a conference would do.

IMHO, JMU admin are waiting for a group of schools to go FBS with them and want research schools in the north east and FL / Ga schools to boot. The Sun Belt would have been too much an academic downgrade for them. Just have patience for the other schools to fundraise and build FBS facilities. Honestly think the A Sun will evolve upwards as much as the CAA has devolved downwards.

Explain this thought please.

I personally find it amusing. By the way, what AAU institution or other top academic universities like W&M does ND associate with in their athletic conference? 07-coffee3

At the end of the day, varsity athletics is a sideshow to the primary purpose of any university, and ND is known in that quarter for exactly what?
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(09-06-2017 10:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Army needs a conference for the same reason that Navy joined one.

Nope, because there isn't a reason that Navy joined one. There are many reasons. Some of those apply to Army, some do not.
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(09-07-2017 06:52 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 10:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".

It's almost impossible to start a new conference. Taking over a lower conference and transforming it into some thing much better is the practically the only option. Eight schools getting waivers and making the transition appears to be possible, and then a conference with 8 full FBS members has to be made an FBS conference, which would be included in the next CFP contracts in 2025.

Stony Brook and Albany need one more stadium expansion to go FBS. Kennesaw St needs another expansion, but will play a game in the new Atlanta Braves stadium. UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too. Liberty arguably needs a conference. E Kentucky is not on par academically with the others but badly wants FBS and apparently has backers that would make it possible. Jacksonville St is ready for FBS now, as they have been lobbying for Belt membership for years. UNF and FGCU need the A Sun to be a football league to open up their football options.

I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?
In your dream scenario, why does "...Liberty arguably needs a conference."?

(09-06-2017 09:42 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too.

If Army needed a football conference, Army would already be in one.

Army needs to continue the improvement under the current coaching staff. At some point in ~5 years, Army will probably re-visit the question of football conference affiliation.
Army needs a conference for the same reason that Navy joined one. Liberty doesn't have a bowl game lined up which a conference would do.

IMHO, JMU admin are waiting for a group of schools to go FBS with them and want research schools in the north east and FL / Ga schools to boot. The Sun Belt would have been too much an academic downgrade for them. Just have patience for the other schools to fundraise and build FBS facilities. Honestly think the A Sun will evolve upwards as much as the CAA has devolved downwards.

Explain this thought please.

I personally find it amusing. By the way, what AAU institution or other top academic universities like W&M does ND associate with in their athletic conference? 07-coffee3

At the end of the day, varsity athletics is a sideshow to the primary purpose of any university, and ND is known in that quarter for exactly what?

There been rumors that W&M wants in the Patriot League. CAA fb has AAU Stony Brook but the nearby CAA schools block them from being a full member, which is almost unheard of in conference politics. The CAA is grossly dysfunctional and that proves it. There is no question that the CAA has devolved downward athletically - getting academic schools that make a conference athletically better is rare. Maybe Elon for Old Dominion was a fair trade. 03-wink
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How far has our men's BB program fallen when ETST dumps on us?
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(09-06-2017 02:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 10:16 AM)brock20 Wrote:  [Image: 1t0oP1Z.png]

Sun Belt and CUSA need to realign. Based on the realignment, and adding 5 new schools, the 14 schools in blue create a new 14 team, 2 division conference:

Liberty
JMU
Marshall
Old Dominion
Eastern Kentucky
Western Kentucky
East Tennessee State

App State
Middle Tennessee State
Chattanooga
UNC Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina

Drop Chattanooga and ETSU and you might have something. Attendance of 8,900 at a 20k stadium for Nooga doesn't cut it for FBS.

Secondary problem is Marshall won't like this arrangement. We will need to overcome their objections or lobby other schools heavily to join a conference with them.

I believe there to be no reason to include Liberty in any conference affiliation at the time. They have signed contracts for games that will be played 10 years from now.
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Let Marshall stay with the F_Us. Their days are over and they're not going to want more regional competition from programs trending up like us.
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