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(09-05-2017 01:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".

It's almost impossible to start a new conference. Taking over a lower conference and transforming it into some thing much better is the practically the only option. Eight schools getting waivers and making the transition appears to be possible, and then a conference with 8 full FBS members has to be made an FBS conference, which would be included in the next CFP contracts in 2025.

Stony Brook and Albany need one more stadium expansion to go FBS. Kennesaw St needs another expansion, but will play a game in the new Atlanta Braves stadium. UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too. Liberty arguably needs a conference. E Kentucky is not on par academically with the others but badly wants FBS and apparently has backers that would make it possible. Jacksonville St is ready for FBS now, as they have been lobbying for Belt membership for years. UNF and FGCU need the A Sun to be a football league to open up their football options.

I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?
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(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?

What makes you think that? Do you actually know someone who has said so? (Not trying to sound like a jerk, just asking)
When most of the CAA schools made their move, we had President Rose who said something along the lines of 'not going to happen as long as I'm here'. I do believe if our current admin was in charge we would not be in the CAA.
I think currently our admin has our hands seriously tied. No conferences (other than the Sun Belt) have been trying to add another member and our admin has refused to join the Sun Belt. While I don't like the decision, I understand it. If any other viable conference was knocking on our door today I think we'd take that option.
As for the Atlantic Sun, the North idea is nice but it definitely doesn't get me excited. If that was the only option for us, I'd jump at the opportunity.
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We couldn't escape the ASun fast enough. Just....no
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I want some of that purple kool-aide you FBS advocates are drinkin'. JMU isn't going FBS until we get a offer from a conference. FBS is a dream way down the road. There is no way we go indy in FBS. We need to just keep on winning and take the acolades that goes with it.
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(09-05-2017 03:04 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?

What makes you think that? Do you actually know someone who has said so? (Not trying to sound like a jerk, just asking)
When most of the CAA schools made their move, we had President Rose who said something along the lines of 'not going to happen as long as I'm here'. I do believe if our current admin was in charge we would not be in the CAA.
I think currently our admin has our hands seriously tied. No conferences (other than the Sun Belt) have been trying to add another member and our admin has refused to join the Sun Belt. While I don't like the decision, I understand it. If any other viable conference was knocking on our door today I think we'd take that option.
As for the Atlantic Sun, the North idea is nice but it definitely doesn't get me excited. If that was the only option for us, I'd jump at the opportunity.

No. Just aware of how strong the attractiveness of research schools are to athletic conference. Stony Brook, then Delaware, and then Albany would be at the top of any list JMU would want as pals. Southern schools are generally much lower on the academic totem pole, but way higher in football potential.

With the rest of the Virginia schools gone except for W&M, can't understand what holds JMU in the CAA if it doesn't go FBS as a conference. FCS will lose money almost no matter what. FBS is a net positive just for national awareness and esteem, even compared to your FCS championship last year. JMU has all the necessary ingredient for FBS just like Liberty, but haven't pulled the trigger. I was close to college personnel that just before they pulled the FBS trigger, and it seems JMU would do it but doesn't have schools they want to associate with in that endeavor. All the Belt is considered below the CAA academically, so understand the Belt turn down by JMU. But it would seem that the ASUN minus obvious schools like Lipscomb, USC-Upstate, would be a conference FBS starting point if it intended to invite Delaware, JMU, SBU and Albany.

UNF and FGCU are wonderful recruiting grounds and fb there would go over big timE, like UCF and USF.
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You just answered part of the question about JMU and FBS - research. JMU is, despite having Master's and PhD level degrees, an undergraduate institution. Staying focused at that level has earned JMU's accolades for years, whereas competing nationally for research grants with the likes of the Ivy League, ACC schools, other highly regarded (and well-endowed) private schools would be swimming against the current. I think this also makes JMU, an otherwise fantastic addition to a conference, a potential liability in terms of fit among FBS conferences.

Pres. Alger does seem to want to raise that profile to something less regional, more national, but it is moving at a slow pace IMO relative to the changing college landscape. I just wish the admin would see that connection between sports and academics, but my distant impression is that faculty (Longhorn aside) are generally opposed to FBS due to the resources it will consume/take away from the academics (not looking at the potential windfall for the school and how the faculty might benefit).
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(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".

It's almost impossible to start a new conference. Taking over a lower conference and transforming it into some thing much better is the practically the only option. Eight schools getting waivers and making the transition appears to be possible, and then a conference with 8 full FBS members has to be made an FBS conference, which would be included in the next CFP contracts in 2025.

Stony Brook and Albany need one more stadium expansion to go FBS. Kennesaw St needs another expansion, but will play a game in the new Atlanta Braves stadium. UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too. Liberty arguably needs a conference. E Kentucky is not on par academically with the others but badly wants FBS and apparently has backers that would make it possible. Jacksonville St is ready for FBS now, as they have been lobbying for Belt membership for years. UNF and FGCU need the A Sun to be a football league to open up their football options.

I happen to think that JMU's leadership would be open to this league or they would be FCS for 15 more years in a much junkier CAA. Why would JMU be satisfied with the CAa after seeing George Mason, VCU and Old Dominion depart for greener pastures?
In your dream scenario, why does "...Liberty arguably needs a conference."?
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(09-05-2017 01:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UMASS needs a football conference and arguably Army does too.

If Army needed a football conference, Army would already be in one.

Army needs to continue the improvement under the current coaching staff. At some point in ~5 years, Army will probably re-visit the question of football conference affiliation.
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Sun Belt and CUSA need to realign. Based on the realignment, and adding 5 new schools, the 14 schools in blue create a new 14 team, 2 division conference:

Liberty
JMU
Marshall
Old Dominion
Eastern Kentucky
Western Kentucky
East Tennessee State

App State
Middle Tennessee State
Chattanooga
UNC Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
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(09-06-2017 10:16 AM)brock20 Wrote:  [Image: 1t0oP1Z.png]

Sun Belt and CUSA need to realign. Based on the realignment, and adding 5 new schools, the 14 schools in blue create a new 14 team, 2 division conference:

Liberty
JMU
Marshall
Old Dominion
Eastern Kentucky
Western Kentucky
East Tennessee State

App State
Middle Tennessee State
Chattanooga
UNC Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina

Drop Chattanooga and ETSU and you might have something. Attendance of 8,900 at a 20k stadium for Nooga doesn't cut it for FBS.

Secondary problem is Marshall won't like this arrangement. We will need to overcome their objections or lobby other schools heavily to join a conference with them.
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