When you start censoring speech, Tribal, these are the problems you run into. And no, I did not know that you were being tongue in cheek, because even though I disagreed with many of the harsher comments, I did not think they were bannable offenses. So, if any of those comments would get someone banned in the future, I think we'd like to know that.

(09-05-2017 02:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 03:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Let's avoid signaling out student-athletes in a malicious manner. Quite frankly, it's absurd to say a D1 college athlete is garbage, can't throw 5 yards, doesn't belong on the field, etc.

I have debated with myself since yesterday about whether or not to respond to this post. I finally decided that I needed to. Is it ever a good idea to call out the Moderator? Probably not, but here goes:

Tribefbfan explained in Post 434 of the UVa game thread that Jack Armstrong's tweets concerned West Virginia and comments made about Will Grier by fans. Unfortunately, that explanation was not in Tribal's original post (421) and the explanation came too late after I had already responded to Tribal. So, all I knew was that Tribal was posting a reference to unknowledgeable fans, and doing it in the UVa thread which had already had numerous posts by fans (including me) espousing how to save the program and solve world hunger. So how was I supposed to know that Armstrong was tweeting about WV? (I don't have Twitter, thank god!)

The reason that I think Tribal bears some culpability here is: Why did you post Armstrong's tweet at all? What purpose did it serve? And why did you post it in the thread about the UVa game? My only guess is because you agreed with Armstrong's comment about fans and thought that it applied to various posts/posters in the UVa thread. But to my mind, it was kind of incendiary (at least, it turned out that way). Also, to back up my point, I noticed that in the "Norfolk State - Game 2" thread that TribePride52 posted a link and said "Jimmye confirms that Tommy will get the nod at NSU" (Post 5). You (Tribal) (Post 6) then responded: "And, here we go ....". To me, that sounds like you are not only expecting but are inviting more comments (about McKee) such as were already seen in the UVa thread. So, Tribal, I truly bear no ill will but I think that your own posts served to ratchet up the tension on the board.

To Tribe21 and another poster (I think) who flamed me for "calling out" Armstrong for making only one catch in the game: I did not call him out for one catch; I called him out for knocking fans (and, evidently, that is what his tweet did do). The reference ("Perhaps Armstrong should catch more than one ball in a big game before knocking any fans") to one catch was an attempt (apparently unsuccessful) to make the point that Armstrong does not have the "street credibility" to call out the fans. If he was LeBron James or Tom Brady or (closer to home) Marcus Thornton then, yes, he can get away with saying more sensitive or controversial things. However, Armstrong is an average, serviceable wideout who I hope progresses into an above average (or great) receiver who helps the Tribe win many games. And so, to Jack Armstrong, I apologize if you took offense to what I (mistakenly) thought was an innocuous comment and I will certainly try to not make such comments in future.

Also, Tribe21, you must be some big honcho because you suggested (Post 435) that the thread be shut down and voila, it was so.

Thanks, all, for your time and attention. Now, on to another reply that I have been itching to write ....

I doubt the player even knows he's being talked about. If you were on Twitter he might. I still agree with the statement "how naive the average fan is about football."

If the average fan becomes "un-naive", he/she may choose to spend his/her time and money elsewhere.

Publicly insulting the customer base is not a smart economic proposition in the long run.

(09-06-2017 07:14 AM)nj alum Wrote:  If the average fan becomes "un-naive", he/she may choose to spend his/her time and money elsewhere.

Publicly insulting the customer base is not a smart economic proposition in the long run.

This is my opinion gained from many years on the sideline and in the stands. There are many very knowledgeable fans in cheering at all levels of the game being played. Heck, just listen to NFL radio, some of the callers are very knowledgeable. Even the college call in shows have great comments and questions. I don't consider these average fans.

You are right though, economically the sport needs the average, or as I call it the casual, social fan. They are there to support the team, love the game day experience and are good fans. My wife is one of them. And sometimes the questions or statements I hear make me scratch my head. But that's a different issue all together, lol. Now before all the female fans now get all upset, this is not a gender issue. I hear ridiculous demands in the stands for men all the time.

No one is bashing the WM fan base. The ticket paying fans of WM are awesome, dedicated fans. Watching everyone enter the stadium on gameday is a great sight.

(09-05-2017 03:03 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  I am guilty of some criticism myself. I once posted that Omar should call the MonStars and ask for his talent back during one rough game. I really enjoyed Omar and think he was an excellent player for us. He represented the College well and I expect he enjoyed all 4 years as a student at W&M.

Can we maybe discuss having a Space Jam exemption rule in the Forum Etiquette?

I think with social media it now allows everyone to be an expert. I don't think bashing kids or for that matter having your mood depend on the actions of 18-22 yr olds playing a sport is healthy or even normal. That being said, if a team gets dominated but you have the typical "Oh the lads put on a jolly good show and showed real spirit" isn't exactly helpful either.

Just say it as it is, for example: QB1 can't run as well as QB2 not sure why we would put him in a that position with a called run".

You have in this instance "politely" and "diplomatically" questioned the players ability without bashing him and questioned the coaching without making it personal.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance in the future.

(09-06-2017 08:39 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  I think with social media it now allows everyone to be an expert. I don't think bashing kids or for that matter having your mood depend on the actions of 18-22 yr olds playing a sport is healthy or even normal. That being said, if a team gets dominated but you have the typical "Oh the lads put on a jolly good show and showed real spirit" isn't exactly helpful either.

Just say it as it is, for example: QB1 can't run as well as QB2 not sure why we would put him in a that position with a called run".

You have in this instance "politely" and "diplomatically" questioned the players ability without bashing him and questioned the coaching without making it personal.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance in the future.

A "Consultant" appears! Don't give up your day job.

(09-06-2017 08:54 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 08:39 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  I think with social media it now allows everyone to be an expert. I don't think bashing kids or for that matter having your mood depend on the actions of 18-22 yr olds playing a sport is healthy or even normal. That being said, if a team gets dominated but you have the typical "Oh the lads put on a jolly good show and showed real spirit" isn't exactly helpful either.

Just say it as it is, for example: QB1 can't run as well as QB2 not sure why we would put him in a that position with a called run".

You have in this instance "politely" and "diplomatically" questioned the players ability without bashing him and questioned the coaching without making it personal.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance in the future.

A "Consultant" appears! Don't give up your day job.

Ha, yeah its funny till you get my bill.