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(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.
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(09-06-2017 09:10 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 08:26 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 05:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  I get that Coastal is a good fit for the SBC. A better fit than LU for reasons that have been discussed on hundreds of times in threads and post. It's so ironic that some Coastal fans are so apoplectic when any Liberty posts is made. LU's trajectory as an indy is greater than if LU had been a SBC member. Literally ALL LU fans realize the Benson LU SBC desire was a bad choice. LU fans have moved on. But some Coastal fans see to want to continue to stir the pot to attempt to rekindle some bashing about LU. Unlike Coastal and the looming So Carolina presence, LU is carving out an identify with UVA being 65 miles away and VT about 20 miles more.

How's Coastal doing with it's FBS success, http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

"The game Saturday evening was played before a CCU-record 13,274. The win was also CCU's first over an FBS program, going 0-7 in such games in this the 15th year of Chanticleer football."

13,274. Hmmmm. Bash LU all you want Chants fans. Your energy would be better spent building a fan base and attempting to carve out an identity from underneath your looming big brother university.

Let me give the cliff notes version of this post:

1. "Coastal fans are obsessed with Liberty and Liberty fans have moved on. We are better than the sun belt."

2. "Let me give a bunch of reasons why I think Coastal sucks compared to Liberty....balls blah blah blah blah...."

3. "But for real....Liberty fans have moved on. Why are Coastal fans so obsessed with Liberty?"

Pretty funny that he is doing exactly what he thinks others are doing.

I wish Liberty the best. Their success doesn't impact us one way or the other.
Rock, I have said many times, and I believe others will agree, Coastal has an upside which is much greater than it's current position. Bashing LU whenever LU is mentioned only gives gratification to the basher and does in no way help Coastal. Coastal has had greater FCS success than LU for sure. LU this weekend is playing non-scholly Morehead St. A weak game. I'm betting greater than 20k attend the game. Coastal has that potential and more. It's just not there yet, and to boast about 13k+ as the all time high attendance record, is great for for the school in breaking a record, and poor that is the record to beat. Seems more Coastal fans just love to tab a finger in the eye whenever LU is mentioned. And this post was by a SBC fan. Not an LU fan. Once CCU accomplishes some quality FBS wins, it will gain fan support and interest will build. CCU has simply had greater on field success that don't equate to fans in the seats. That will come.
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(09-06-2017 06:44 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I think it's really funny how a lot of folks on here are trying hard to make it clear that the SBC is better off without Liberty and vice versa.

The factor the matter is, the Liberty athletic department would prefer to be in a conference which offers more financial stability, a TV package, offers conference championships, and offers bowl bids and NCAA Tournament bids. They don't get those benefits being independent.

On the flip side, this notion that Liberty is culturally at odds with basically every FBS conferences is a worn out record. Liberty's "culture" isn't all that uncommon.

The MWC would fall over itself to have the largest religious university in the country, BYU, back in it's conference. BYU is even considered a Big XII expansion candidate. And that's a school that requires it's attendees to follow an honor code by the Latter Day Saints Church, including not drinking alcohol or having sex.

Pretty sure the MVC had no issues inviting Valpo, which is ran by the Lutheran Church.

How about TCU or Notre Dame? TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and even has a divinity school on its campus. And don't kid yourself by thinking that Liberty is so much different from all of those aforementioned schools.

If Liberty was the second-coming of Boise State, most of you would be hoping the SBC could snag them. Likewise, Liberty is always going to try and seek out a conference home for it's athletics, despite what any LU fans say about the supposed advantages of being Indy rather than being in the SBC.

Meanwhile, Utah with a smaller local fan base and a much smaller national following was invited to the Pac-12 and BYU wasn't.

Baylor was NOT who the Big 8 wanted for their 12th member but local politics made Baylor their 12th member because without Baylor the politics involved would have blocked UT and TAMU going.

The Sun Belt had applicants pending, considered them and instead took the initiative to approach Coastal who had a superior resume.

the pac12 was wanting only aau schools and you're right, baylor and tech were forced on the big8. I'm not bashing coastal but am curious what was so attractive to the conference boss about a small school with little academic standing and small fan base other than maybe location.

While CC's location is great for the Belt, Karl Benson made it clear from the beginning that bringing them aboard was about their strong Olympic sports. Football was just icing on the cake.
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(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.
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(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

Sounds like an FCS team talking about bowls. You get lost on your way to AGS?
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(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

I can assure you an independent 9-3 Liberty team will go bowling before a 6-6 lower tier G6...for no other reason than because we'll buy more tickets.
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(09-06-2017 10:26 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  You have always been a good man, Rok. But I would beg to differ on one point: We still compete for recruits. Congrats on Godfrey because we would have loved to have him.

Ad for the record, as an indenpendent we have been able to schedule home games with P5s for no money in almost every situation. We just had to do 2-for-1s which in itself has revenue implications. But the consistent suggestions that we are buying our scheduking are not aligned with the facts. The ODU deal was an outlier forced by timing as was the in-season home-and-home with NMSU. Scheduling has been much easier than any of us expected.

And Rok brings up a good point. We still have relatively easy access to NCAA bids through the Big South. We're getting the best of both worlds until the next major realignment when we will be well positioned. Coastal will make a nice fit longterm for the SBC. They will eventually build a fanbase but in the meantime they'll be competitive across the board especially in baseball and mens soccer.

On the scheduling thing, you don't deny you are paying some teams $1million to play you right? That's what I'm saying. There are zero SBC schools that would do or could do that. I'd put CUSA, MAC and most of the MW in that category as well. Liberty can, and more power to them, but you can certainly see why it makes more sense for you to be independent rather than in a G5 league.
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(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

Ask players that you are trying to recruit if a bowl and everything that comes with it is just another game.
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If you say you're sorry, we'll forget everything.
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(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

This is probably the most unintentionally funny post I've read on these forums.

Good job. I bet you almost made it through the entire thing with a straight face.
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(09-06-2017 11:41 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

This is probably the most unintentionally funny post I've read on these forums.

Good job. I bet you almost made it through the entire thing with a straight face.
Because schools like Notre Dame, BYU and Army just loathe having to participate in yet one more game. What.A.Bore
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(09-07-2017 12:48 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:41 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

This is probably the most unintentionally funny post I've read on these forums.

Good job. I bet you almost made it through the entire thing with a straight face.
Because schools like Notre Dame, BYU and Army just loathe having to participate in yet one more game. What.A.Bore

I said they would be fun. I'm contrasting whether missing one is worth having to not be locked into a SBC schedule indefinitely, if LU doesn't want an SBC schedule. The answer is a clear yes, and other objective measurements of game atmosphere and participation percentages agree with me. But I also said it's perspective, a game only has as much meaning as you choose to give it. Ask your wife.
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Which games does your team not fly to?
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(09-06-2017 08:08 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:08 PM)Willflop Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

You mean those games where .500 teams play in a stadium filled with 50 pct less fans than a regular season game? A bowl game would be fun, but only because it's another game, and games are fun. Regualr season wins can exceed bowls any day of the wesk, depends on perspective and opponent. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get in, if record permits it; but if not, just one less game against a middle of the pack sun belt team with a funny name.

Sounds like an FCS team talking about bowls. You get lost on your way to AGS?

You're right I guess. So much, in fact, I just read that the NFL made an agreement with Campbell's to sponsor the Soup Bowl. As long as the Browns and Titans can finish at .420, they should be a lock. They're even securing a Monday 8am slot on ESPN3.

Or if you prefer another thought experiment, FCS Liberty has only made one FCS playoff appearance in history. How pathetic is that. They've won 8 big south titles in recent years, but most of them were shared. But wait, none of that matters. They've had 11 winning seasons in a row, so by the superior bowl metric, that's 11 post seasons in a row. Incredible.

Or if you prefer a 3rd thought experiment, let's just bump the number of bowl games up from 41 to 65, so everyone gets to play. Post season is the post season.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the bowl structure, it is what it is. Just stating it's not more than what it is, when 80+ teams make it. If you can do what WMU did, then we start thinking of it from the other end of the spectrum.
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(09-06-2017 09:02 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 10:26 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  You have always been a good man, Rok. But I would beg to differ on one point: We still compete for recruits. Congrats on Godfrey because we would have loved to have him.

Ad for the record, as an indenpendent we have been able to schedule home games with P5s for no money in almost every situation. We just had to do 2-for-1s which in itself has revenue implications. But the consistent suggestions that we are buying our scheduking are not aligned with the facts. The ODU deal was an outlier forced by timing as was the in-season home-and-home with NMSU. Scheduling has been much easier than any of us expected.

And Rok brings up a good point. We still have relatively easy access to NCAA bids through the Big South. We're getting the best of both worlds until the next major realignment when we will be well positioned. Coastal will make a nice fit longterm for the SBC. They will eventually build a fanbase but in the meantime they'll be competitive across the board especially in baseball and mens soccer.

On the scheduling thing, you don't deny you are paying some teams $1million to play you right? That's what I'm saying. There are zero SBC schools that would do or could do that. I'd put CUSA, MAC and most of the MW in that category as well. Liberty can, and more power to them, but you can certainly see why it makes more sense for you to be independent rather than in a G5 league.
Yep. That's one of the main reasons Liberty is not a fit for the SBC.

They are diving into independence the right way...good luck to them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw3pqQD6....be&t=4862

Was skimming over the game and came across the pick 6. Baylor QB threw at a receiver who looks like he was blocking a DB. LoL. Baylor looks absolutely awful.
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(09-07-2017 05:41 AM)VandalBasher Wrote:  Which games does your team not fly to?

For App, I'm guessing Coastal, GS, and GSU.
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(09-06-2017 09:02 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  On the scheduling thing, you don't deny you are paying some teams $1million to play you right? That's what I'm saying. There are zero SBC schools that would do or could do that. I'd put CUSA, MAC and most of the MW in that category as well. Liberty can, and more power to them, but you can certainly see why it makes more sense for you to be independent rather than in a G5 league.

We did it one time with ODU out of necessity right after we were given the mandate to get all of these FBS home dates on our schedule for 2018 & 2019. As mentioned above, that one time deal with ODU opened up 4-5 FBS home games for us through a series of dominoes falling predicated on our initial deal. We made that cash back with a guarantee game at Auburn later in that season.

We also included some money on a home-and-home deal with Marshall in order to facilitate so moves on their schedules. Otherwise all of the deals have been built on our schedule flexibility that we possess as an indy.

I agree wholeheartedly that FBS Indy is a much better situation for us than being in the Sun Belt. Not in our wildest dreams did most of us envision the type of scheduling that we have been able to pull off in just a few months. All worked out the best for everybody involved in the circumstances.

Now when the next major wave of realignment comes around, we will definitely be looking to position ourselves with a conference. But who know what the G5 landscape will look like at that time. We may wind up in a league with many of you folks down the road. But if not, independence has its advantages.

For the record, the Coastal folks likely won't admit it but our longstanding rivalry still simmers below the surface. I'd love to see us continue to meet on the field in football and baseball. Those games were always a blast.
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(09-06-2017 08:49 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 06:47 AM)Willflop Wrote:  Falwell recently stated the below. I doubt they'd accept a sbc or cusa invite at this point, now that the scheduling conundrum is resolved. Admittedly, a little bit of a passive aggressive jab, and the majority of the games will be g5 still. But ultimately, they maintain the freedom to fashion their scheduling future, which is the point. Both sides ultimately got what they wanted.

Quote:“The teams that we’re bringing in here are household name teams,” Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “They’re teams everybody recognizes. A lot of ACC teams. That’s going to bring in huge crowds. If we had gone to the Sun Belt or Conference USA, the teams that we’d be playing, people around here wouldn’t recognize the names anymore than they do with the Big South. Being independent is so much better for us in football.”
He's going to really be believing that when (and IF) a 9-3/8-4 Independent Liberty is sitting at home while conference affiliated 6-6, 7-5 teams go to bowls ahead of them.

I can assure you an independent 9-3 Liberty team will go bowling before a 6-6 lower tier G6...for no other reason than because we'll buy more tickets.

I assure you that you won't because bowls are contracted to conferences. You had better pray each year that someone doesn't fill their allotted slots. If they do, well, just make sure your players have comfy la-z-boys to watch bo l season from. lol
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 05:19 PM by THUNDERStruck73.)
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