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RE: Boston College Game Thoughts
(09-03-2017 08:04 PM)7 Wrote:  My goodness, is it just me or is this place worse than normal after a loss?

That game was unbelievably disappointing, but for no other reason than it was a game NIU should have won. Short of a 10 or so minute stretch late in the 2nd and early in the 3rd, NIU was the better team the majority of the night. As much as I don't think Boston College is good, they are still an ACC team and they still won a bowl game last year.

Some (a lot) of perspective against Power 5 opponents.

2011
The team that eventually broke NIU's MAC Championship curse went to Kansas AND....lost to literally one of the worst team's in college football and gave up 45 points in the process. The date of that game was September 10th, 2011. Kansas didn't beat another FBS opponent until September 21st, 2013 over two calendar years later!!

2012
Okay, okay, I know what you're thinking. But THAT game was played on the road. NIU opened the 2012 season (remember, they went to the Orange Bowl that year), with an Iowa team that was not good. NIU failed to gain 200 yards and threw for a whopping -1 yards in the second half. Iowa would go on to beat 2 more FBS teams the rest of the season and finish 4-8.

Okay, okay, but that game was really a road game because it was 80% iowa fans. Kansas, who again, is literally one of the worst teams in college football came to DeKalb on a beautiful Saturday. Looking a 10 point, 4th quarter deficit square in the face, Jordan Lynch rattles off 17 4th quarter points to lead NIU to a 30-23 win.

2015
A week after nearly upsetting #1 Ohio State, NIU rolls into Chestnut Hill to face Boston College. NIU gains 153 total yards and Drew Hare goes 11/25 for 81 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT and only runs for 15 yards (remember those stats) as NIU falls to BC 17-14. It was Boston College's only victory against an FBS opponent on the season.

My point? Beating Power 5 teams for NIU is HARD. Even during peak NIU years, some of the best NIU teams either struggled to beat or lost to some BAD Power 5 teams.

I don't understand the reaction that NIU just lost to some FCS school. It's frustrating because it's a game they could/should have won, but I came out of that game no less optimistic than I was before the game.

I mentioned NIU's stats vs. BC two years ago above. To repeat, NIU gained an entire 153 total yards against a BC team that won 1 game vs. an FBS team that year. Two nights ago NIU gained 367 yards (and out gained BC for that matter). I am the last person who is going to defend Ryan Graham, but again two years ago Hare had 81 passing yards, 96 total yards, and threw 0 TDs and 1 pick against BC. Graham, on the other hand, threw for 190 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT (admittedly, that completion percentage was terrible) and ran for 99 more.

So what am I missing here that the sky is falling?

Yes, absolutely, if NIU had a better QB that's a game they win. Graham threw some two hoppers to WRs and throws a punt of a deep ball. But this isn't something we didn't already know heading into the game. NIU is going to have to overcome their QB play to win games this year. It's reality.

However, just about everything else on the team? It's hard to find many negatives. The defense got hung out to dry a bit towards the end of the second quarter and it showed. BC had something like 47 plays in the first half and you can really tell how worn out the defense was. Once Graham and company went on the 13 play drive, the defense seemed to find their legs again and settled in.

How awesome were Kyle Pugh and Sutton Smith? Pugh's had a lot of hype, and he lived up to it and then some. He looks like more athletic Boomer Mays which is scary to think about. Sutton Smith, going up against an ACC offensive line, was consistently in their backfield. FIVE (5!!) TFL and a sack, can't say enough good things about Smith.

I thought Bobby Jones had a real nice game as well.

Lurry has officially entered TLL territory in the sense as great of a player as he is, you can't rely on him to be on the field anymore which is a shame because I think Smalls and Lurry would be as good of a duo as NIU has ever had. I thought Embry had some issues filling in for hi.

On the offensive side of the ball, I want to see how Graham does against EIU before I call for his head. Boston College always has a really good defense, and he did do some decent things. However, he needs to be way more accurate than he was. There were back to back series to start the second half where he had 4 straight open WRs and missed all 4 of them. Now, Wesley could have caught one of them, but the throw was behind him.

With that being said, it wasn't a total loss for Graham. I would have never guessed he would take one 60 yards against an ACC team and he had a few other key runs on 3rd downs. The throw to Brown for the TD was nice, and the most overlooked play of the game is going to be his throw to Wimann on 4th down on the last drive. BC's DE got a great jump off the snap and was on Graham immediately and Graham still found Wimann.

Besides Hagan's missed FG (i'm still trying to figure out if that was tipped), the biggest sequence of the game was after NIU tied it at 20 and was driving. Graham had Blake open for a TD and threw an arm punted and overthrew him and then on 4th and 1 Coach U called for a jet sweep to Beebe (wut) and got stuffed. NIU's offense did nothing after that drive until the final drive of the game.

Beebe is going to have a huge year if he stays healthy. He needs to stay healthy though because I'm not sure i have faith in any of the WRs behind him, although i did think DJ Brown played well.

Wimann was a mixed bag. Caught a TD and had the HUGE 4th down catch, but also dropped a wheel route and took a holding penalty to negate a huge run by Brown.

Gotta give the offensive line a lot of credit. 164 rushing yards and 4.6 YPC against BC is solid and Graham didn't get sacked all night. If that's any indication of how good the line is, they're going to hide a lot of NIU's QB issues. They shut down the best DE they'll play all year, and BC was bringing the house on the final drive and the line still held up.

Overall, I thought heading into the game NIU is a 6 win team minimum game and an 8 win team maximum. I still feel the same way now.

I really do think next week is a huge week for Graham though. He can't afford to lay an egg against direction FCS Illinois like he did last year. I think you'll see the run game get going and he'll play better.

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Great post, thanks for putting things into perspective. Now that I've sobered up and flown back to Miami (not necessarily in that order) I've taken a long breath and thought about it.
BC is a game we should have won, no doubt, but it was a fluke. Two more feet on that field goal try and a good OT and we'd all be talking about a New Year's day bowl.
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(09-03-2017 09:49 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:44 PM)7 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:24 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 08:24 PM)7 Wrote:  The clock management thing for me is tough because while the end of the first half was super conservative, Carey knows he has Ryan Graham playing QB. Do you really want to be overly aggressive against a good defense with a bad QB? If he has Graham out there chucking it and he throws a pick, everybody is also ripping him. Graham was something like 5/14 passing at that point too. As I said, there's no doubt the defense got hung out to dry, but I'm not sure there was a good answer at the end of the first half except recruiting better QBs...lol.

As for the end of the game, they took a shot to the end zone the play before the FG so I'm not sure how anyone calls that conservative. The big play on that possession was the tackle by the BC DB on Beebe on 2nd down. If Beebe gets past him he may have scored.


At the end of the first half, Carey ran it 3 times up in the middle in a row. It was clear BC was shutting that down and going to take a time out quick after each play to get the ball back. Not saying he needs to take risks with Graham, but I feel like there definitely could have been a little more creativity than what he did. That showers absolutely zero faith in his offense and just completely killed all of the momentum and lost us the lead going into halftime.

At the end of the game, the clock mgmt was just as bad. Houston Nutt said the same thing on the postgame show. Carey was playing for the tie the whole way. Let tons of time run off after each play and only through it to the end zone once. We got that big pass interference penalty and the first play he runs after is the QB draw that never works!? That made it clear immediately that he wasn't going for the TD. Those were the types of things that were frustrating. The 4th and 1 jet sweep was insane, just a lot of head scratchers.

Bottom line, we had every opportunity to win that game and Carey played it too conservative and very little confidence in his squad. You can't tell me Jerry Kill doesn't call that game way more aggressively and that we don't come away with the win. That's how you beat P5 teams, you stay aggressive and go for the win. Carey needs some balls

Him not having balls is why he started Graham in the first place. Went with the conservative option, low risk, low reward


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Come on man, we're going to act like Jerry Kill was a notoriously aggressive coach now? People HAAAAATED Limegrover's offense, and rightfully so.

May I direct you to the final drive of the 2008 Independence Bowl.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/pla...=283632348

1st and 10 at NIU 23
(0:31 - 4th) Northn Illinois penalty 5 yard False Start accepted.
1st and 15 at NIU 18
(0:15 - 4th) Chandler Harnish rush for 10 yards to the NoIll 28.

2nd and 5 at NIU 28
(0:05 - 4th) Chandler Harnish pass incomplete to Landon Cox.
3rd and 5 at NIU 28
(0:00 - 4th) Chandler Harnish pass complete to Landon Cox for 4 yards, fumbled, recovered by NoIll Eddie Adamski at the NoIll 28.

In case you forgot, NIU got the ball back with 31 seconds left and they ran a legit, designed QB draw.



And to say the QB draw "never" works is laughable. It's been arguably their most effective play the last 5-10 years and the QB run was easily their best play on Friday night.

But don't let facts get in the way of being irrationally angry.


Fair enough on Kill, I was just having flashbacks to when he was at SIU and was aggressive at the end of the game and beat us up in Dekalb. So point taken there.

However, when it comes to the QB draw, yes Harnish and Lynch ran it extremely effectively. Even Maddie and Hare were decent. But you honestly think Graham does and it has been run effectively with him over the past few years?


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As a team on Friday they were 16/39 passing for 201 yards and runners not named Graham had 23 carries for 65. Graham had 12 carries for 99.

If you can find me a better offensive play on Friday than the QB run, I'm all ears.
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The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.
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(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Over the last two years? They had played for 6 consecutive conference championships as of this point last year.

Last year was bad, but let's not act like we've re-entered the early Novak days.
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All I'm going to say is if you're expecting NIU to win 10+ games every year and beat every P5 team they play, you are going to drive yourself absolutely insane. Look at the future OOC schedules, NIU is going to lose A LOT of non-conference games in the coming years. That's going to happen whether Carey, Doeren, Kill, Novak or whoever is the coach.

Compete for the MAC and spring the occasional upset vs a P5 team. Adjust your expectations back to the pre-Lynch days.

The "Fire Carey" stuff is a nauseating waste of time too. If they don't go to a bowl game this year, he'll be fired. If they do, he won't. And with the recruiting class NIU has coming in next year, if you find yourself rooting for Carey to get fired I seriously questions your fandom.

Losing to an ACC team has never gotten an NIU coach fired and never will.
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(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Carey and the coaches have ZERO confidence in Graham. Rod is such a wuss it makes me sick with the 3 straight runs then the kneel down after giving up the TD before the half. It's an amateur football game ya sad sack...man up and play the game and quit being a bltch.
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(09-03-2017 10:00 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Carey and the coaches have ZERO confidence in Graham. Rod is such a wuss it makes me sick with the 3 straight runs then the kneel down after giving up the TD before the falf. It's an amateur football game ya sad sack...man up and play the game and quit being a bltch.
Because this board is beaming with confidence for him or...?
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(09-03-2017 10:01 PM)7 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 10:00 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Carey and the coaches have ZERO confidence in Graham. Rod is such a wuss it makes me sick with the 3 straight runs then the kneel down after giving up the TD before the falf. It's an amateur football game ya sad sack...man up and play the game and quit being a bltch.
Because this board is beaming with confidence for him or...?

I was piling on to the fact that Graham is subpar QB and Rod continually goes to him. It went from there with his ******/scared playcalling . Starting Graham will get Rod fired after this year. 8 straight OOC losses... that's pretty bad.
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(09-03-2017 10:01 PM)7 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 10:00 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Carey and the coaches have ZERO confidence in Graham. Rod is such a wuss it makes me sick with the 3 straight runs then the kneel down after giving up the TD before the falf. It's an amateur football game ya sad sack...man up and play the game and quit being a bltch.
Because this board is beaming with confidence for him or...?


That's the frustrating part though. If Graham is Carey's guy and he went out and won the job with no doubts then Carey needs to be fully confident in him. It's clear he isn't. If Graham isn't that guy, then why not take some lumps and go through the growing pains with Santa or Childers? I just want the staff to be confident with their guy and play to win.




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(09-03-2017 09:54 PM)7 Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The positives are being overwhelmed by the tidal wave of negativity this program has built up over the last two seasons. It's funny, my girlfriend of the last two years is a trooper and watches or goes to all the games with me. She has no experience with the great things prior to 2015, and she's now like - "how do you endure this? Its so depressing."

This program needs something to get excited about. Some positivity. And while there are some things I loved about friday - Pugh! Smith! both lines and Beebe, I too was resigned to a "how are we going blow this" mentality. Graham has become the symbol for Huskie futility and seeing him put into the line up has become dispiriting and almost exhausting.

Over the last two years? They had played for 6 consecutive conference championships as of this point last year.

Last year was bad, but let's not act like we've re-entered the early Novak days.

Things started to come off the tracks in 2015. It wasn't a bad season, but it sure did end ugly. And i understand the QB issues, but choking away that win-and-your-in game to Ohio. Then getting pimp slapped in the MACC game and then the all-time drubbing to Boise. And I, like most, said hey - we played or 8th QB! What do you expect? But 2016 continued the pattern at Wyoming and then the rest of the year just collapsed.

We are at a place where we feel good about playing Ball st, EMU and Akron ..but step up to the top of the mac or even bottom of the B1G and panic will set in. I havent given up on this team and I really like its core players. But damn----give me something to cheer about. Like Andy Dufresen said - hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. Do you have hope with Graham leading this team?
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