Let me first off say that I would love to have BYU in the AAC, but....

With them being indy, they are already out of the 4 team playoff and without a conference they can't get a new years access bowl. So what is the point of the indy status? Obviously they have a decent schedule, but this has to be a recruiting killer to have nothing to play for after week #1.

RE: BYU

Sucks

ECU will win at least 2 games this year. One might be BYU....

BYU has zero weapons on offense.

(09-02-2017 11:36 PM)fanhood Wrote:  BYU has zero weapons on offense.

LSU suspended a lot of players and they didn't look good. But BYU is awful this year. I honestly believe ECU has a chance to beat them.

(09-02-2017 11:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 11:36 PM)fanhood Wrote:  BYU has zero weapons on offense.

LSU suspended a lot of players and they didn't look good. But BYU is awful this year. I honestly believe ECU has a chance to beat them.

BYU will struggle to get Bowl Eligible.

Byu never crossed the 50 against lsu yesterday

Bottom line: BYU will have to eventually place its football program into an FBS-level conference, or else fall completely off the national radar.

Now, the key word there is Eventually. They don't have to do it right now. But they need to be continually evaluating their options and I'm sure they are.

Second to that, LSU is especially good this year and BYU is down, so last night's disaster was just sort of a perfect storm. It happens sometimes.

If I recall correctly, BYU makes more money as an independent than a G-5 member due to their world wide appeal. However, a few poor seasons may make them realize the appeal of the AAC conference and set off, I think, a raid by the AAC of SDSU.

Eventually, I believe, a raid/merger of the better G-5 programs will occur to create a true P-6 to help cope with the growing resource gap enjoyed by P-5 schools.

(09-03-2017 07:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If I recall correctly, BYU makes more money as an independent than a G-5

True.

Quote:Eventually, I believe, a raid/merger of the better G-5 programs will occur to create a true P-6 to help cope with the growing resource gap enjoyed by P-5 schools.

If AAC takes care of business, then the American will become the "true P-6". Obvious question: will that actually happen? Impossible to say for certain, but on balance I think we've got a better-than-50/50 shot.

BYU has a big problem and is called Utah

For BYU admitting that they are at a lower rung than Utah is a pill too bitter to swallow. So they much rather be called an independent with a tv contract and playing 3-4 games a year from the big money conferences than joining the AAC or any of the nonPower conferences.

Sure they are giving away their access to the New Year's Day bowls since the only way they can make that is as an at large and that's going to be close to impossible.

Things that might make them change their minds?
1. The AAC power6 movement continues and the media and public at large starts lumping it with the other 5 power leagues
2. The TV contract the AAC gets its now better than what BYU gets now and keeps pushing the image above.
3. The AAC champ starts becoming the de facto New Years bowl representative on most years and better lower bowl deals are obtained.

In my thinking all of the above must happen for BYU to join and yes having them join will increase league prestige even if they are struggling now.

BYU is a dirty football program, and their leadership is filled with holier than thou nut jobs.

I don't want them in the AAC.

There are just as good options out there without he dirty play, and less headaches to deal with.

(09-03-2017 07:57 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  BYU has a big problem and is called Utah

For BYU admitting that they are at a lower rung than Utah is a pill too bitter to swallow. So they much rather be called an independent with a tv contract and playing 3-4 games a year from the big money conferences than joining the AAC or any of the nonPower conferences.

Sure they are giving away their access to the New Year's Day bowls since the only way they can make that is as an at large and that's going to be close to impossible.

Things that might make them change their minds?
1. The AAC power6 movement continues and the media and public at large starts lumping it with the other 5 power leagues
2. The TV contract the AAC gets its now better than what BYU gets now and keeps pushing the image above.
3. The AAC champ starts becoming the de facto New Years bowl representative on most years and better lower bowl deals are obtained.

In my thinking all of the above must happen for BYU to join and yes having them join will increase league prestige even if they are struggling now.

Spot on points Cubanbull… +2…. In fact, when Utah was elevated to the PAC 12, BYU declared its football independence; it couldn’t accept being left behind….

(09-03-2017 08:27 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:57 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  BYU has a big problem and is called Utah

For BYU admitting that they are at a lower rung than Utah is a pill too bitter to swallow. So they much rather be called an independent with a tv contract and playing 3-4 games a year from the big money conferences than joining the AAC or any of the nonPower conferences.

Sure they are giving away their access to the New Year's Day bowls since the only way they can make that is as an at large and that's going to be close to impossible.

Things that might make them change their minds?
1. The AAC power6 movement continues and the media and public at large starts lumping it with the other 5 power leagues
2. The TV contract the AAC gets its now better than what BYU gets now and keeps pushing the image above.
3. The AAC champ starts becoming the de facto New Years bowl representative on most years and better lower bowl deals are obtained.

In my thinking all of the above must happen for BYU to join and yes having them join will increase league prestige even if they are struggling now.

Spot on points Cubanbull… +2…. In fact, when Utah was elevated to the PAC 12, BYU declared its football independence; it couldn’t accept being left behind….

It was legislative pressure by Sen Hatch that pushed Utah over the finish line. From an outsider perspective, I was surprised he choose Utah over BYU for his target.

The only way the AAC would be lucrative to BYU is if the playoffs expand and we have a bid.

Honestly I could see if the playoffs don't expand some of our teams leaving for independent especially if BYU has success doing it - BYU controls their own destiny. Sure they won't be in the playoffs this year, but neither will any G5 team.

On the other hand, if byu ran the table they would be treated like a power conference, when we run the table we still don't get into the playoffs. BYU as an independent has a higher ceiling than BYU as a G5.

(09-03-2017 01:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  The only way the AAC would be lucrative to BYU is if the playoffs expand and we have a bid.

Honestly I could see if the playoffs don't expand some of our teams leaving for independent especially if BYU has success doing it - BYU controls their own destiny. Sure they won't be in the playoffs this year, but neither will any G5 team.

On the other hand, if byu ran the table they would be treated like a power conference, when we run the table we still don't get into the playoffs. BYU as an independent has a higher ceiling than BYU as a G5.

If we have a playoff bid, we don't need BYU

BYU only runs the table on a weak schedule. They didn't belong on the field with LSU.

(09-03-2017 01:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  The only way the AAC would be lucrative to BYU is if the playoffs expand and we have a bid.

Honestly I could see if the playoffs don't expand some of our teams leaving for independent especially if BYU has success doing it - BYU controls their own destiny. Sure they won't be in the playoffs this year, but neither will any G5 team.

On the other hand, if byu ran the table they would be treated like a power conference, when we run the table we still don't get into the playoffs. BYU as an independent has a higher ceiling than BYU as a G5.

They have no chance at an access bowl. They don't get the extra million from the playoff money. They have nothing to play for already and we are just finishing week 1. If we can get our tv deal in the $6 million range we would create more revenue sharing for them. Access to a conference championship game.

(09-02-2017 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  ECU will win at least 2 games this year. One might be BYU....

After yesterday and JMU - AH - NO - on BYU.

I wouldn't mind BYU. They're controversial, but we have more than enough "good guy" schools in this conference. This conference needs a real villain.

(09-03-2017 07:17 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Bottom line: BYU will have to eventually place its football program into an FBS-level conference, or else fall completely off the national radar.

Now, the key word there is Eventually. They don't have to do it right now. But they need to be continually evaluating their options and I'm sure they are.

Second to that, LSU is especially good this year and BYU is down, so last night's disaster was just sort of a perfect storm. It happens sometimes.

They are holding out for a B-12 invite in with Texas and Oklahoma still in the B-12 fold. If that doesn't happen then they will look at other alternatives including a B-12 opportunity missing Texas and Oklahoma filled in with 3 - 6 AAC teams down the road. The ego of Texas is too big to play second fiddle in any other conference so if they stay in the B-12, then Oklahoma stays there too carrying the B-12 through another big TV contract. The B-12 does pick up at least 2 more schools if that happens and it could still be BYU and Cinn in the North division with Kansas, K-ST, Iowa ST, and WV. The Texas and Oklahoma schools comprise the South Division if this scenario works out.