(09-05-2017 10:31 AM)Golota Wrote:  I didn't watch the Idaho game. Should they have beat them by more than 22 points? Not that the score was "close" did Idaho dominate them? Sacramento State won 4 games the last two years combined. Figured it would have been a bigger win point wise.

Idaho took large portions of that game off. I admit its a weird spot for them because it was very abundantly clear that Sacremento State was not going to score on their defense, so the offense didn't have to be any good.

(09-03-2017 07:53 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Just like last year Troy is over rated. I am surprised they don't get ranked by playing Boies to less than a 12 point loss.

Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

(09-03-2017 07:46 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  We aren't the worst team in the conference??

Remember, we are here. Currently that is not a very high bar.

(09-05-2017 10:31 AM)Golota Wrote:  I didn't watch the Idaho game. Should they have beat them by more than 22 points? Not that the score was "close" did Idaho dominate them? Sacramento State won 4 games the last two years combined. Figured it would have been a bigger win point wise.

We only allowed 95 yards rushing and 95 passing. The O-Line is a work in progress, and our center and 3 tackles that we rotated were taking their first FBS game snaps. This score isn't what many expected, but the defense was very solid. Also, their second field goal came after we fumbled within our own ten yard line.

(09-05-2017 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:31 AM)Golota Wrote:  I didn't watch the Idaho game. Should they have beat them by more than 22 points? Not that the score was "close" did Idaho dominate them? Sacramento State won 4 games the last two years combined. Figured it would have been a bigger win point wise.

Idaho took large portions of that game off. I admit its a weird spot for them because it was very abundantly clear that Sacremento State was not going to score on their defense, so the offense didn't have to be any good.

Yeah. We ran about 6 plays over and over again. Very vanilla and predictable on offense, which was fine because Sac St. wasn't going to do anything to our D so why give anything away? Their only scores were a 50-yard FG and another FG after we gave them the ball on our own 6 yard line.

I'll put it this way -- at no point in that game was I ever worried it was going to be close.

(09-05-2017 11:09 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:31 AM)Golota Wrote:  I didn't watch the Idaho game. Should they have beat them by more than 22 points? Not that the score was "close" did Idaho dominate them? Sacramento State won 4 games the last two years combined. Figured it would have been a bigger win point wise.

Idaho took large portions of that game off. I admit its a weird spot for them because it was very abundantly clear that Sacremento State was not going to score on their defense, so the offense didn't have to be any good.

Yeah. We ran about 6 plays over and over again. Very vanilla and predictable on offense, which was fine because Sac St. wasn't going to do anything to our D so why give anything away? Their only scores were a 50-yard FG and another FG after we gave them the ball on our own 6 yard line.

I'll put it this way -- at no point in that game was I ever worried it was going to be close.

Figured it might be something like. I didn't have time to watch game.

My take on the App game is this:

- Without the 24 yard fumble by Lamb, he is averaging 10 yards per carry on 9 carries against Georgia. Several times he could've kept the ball on the option but didn't and almost every time he did, he picked up positive yards.

- Discounting Michel's long run of 44 yards and Chubb's long of 24 yards, the two running backs combined for only 4.2 YPC. I know the long runs do count, however many of their carries resulted in 2 and 3 yard gains.

- If App can't stretch the field vertically, they aren't going to compete against top tier P5 opponents. They will continue to beat G5 programs using the ball control offense with a stingy defense, but the defense can only hold out for so long against team's like Georgia, Miami, and Clemson.

Moving forward, with the easy schedule, App is most likely to end up 11 - 1 or 10 - 2; winning 11 games depends upon how the offensive gameplan evolves for the Wake Forest game. The defense can compete with Wake Forest, however the offense needs to open up the passing game to get chunk plays. For these reasons, I believe App is still in the Top 3 of the Belt rankings.

1. Arkansas State - Beat Troy 35 - 3 to end last season. Defeated UCF in the Bowl game and took Nebraska to the wire to open the season.

2. Troy - They didn't look particularly good but I thought the receiver fumbled the ball at the 1/2 yard line. That play changed the outlook of the game and ultimately solidified Boise's win at home. Troy was ___ that close to pulling off what only 6 teams have done in Boise in 100 + games.

3. App State - App's defense looked good, and the offense looked capable at times. When they are able to sync their efforts, the ball control offense in tandem with a stingy defense will make this team one of the best in the G5, against other G5 programs. Against P5 teams, App has shown time and time against since the transition that the passing game is a non-factor. However, because App plays a G5 schedule and not P5, they are at number 3.

4. Idaho - Won with sound defense. Would be an improvement if the defense can continue the style of play from the weekend while the offense keeps clicking.

5. USA - The offense looked good at times, driving the field with chunk plays on the ground and in the air. Will they be less yin and yang this season?

6. CCU - I haven't seen an offense run the ball using the methods employed by CCU. Seems to be a shotgun variation of the wishbone, yet different from what was used by Fritz. I will be excited to see how effective it is against more athletic fronts.

7. ULM - Didn't get a chance to watch this game but from the box score, the game never was really in doubt. Memphis is a quality opponent however and ULM putting points on the board was an improvement.

8. NMSU - Same as with ULM, except the defense kept ASU below 40 points which is a huge improvement.

9. Texas State - I expect improvement but how much remains to be seen. Wither's is a quality coach.

10. UL - Gave up 40 + points to a middling FCS program

11. GS - 78 yards of offense. The defense looked good in spurts to begin the game but once again, the offense looked lost and incoherent. The offensive line was not moving in sync and the backfield paid dearly for it.

12. GSU - Treon Harris is a good running quarterback and I expect that GSU would have won this game going away if it weren't for him. It isn't easy to stop a quality athlete running a more traditional spread attack.

(09-03-2017 05:00 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 03:20 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 01:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 12:22 PM)LewyVandal Wrote:  1. Troy- looked good on D
2. Idaho- will get better each week
3. Astate- hung around with a p5
4. App- not impressed at all, still think Troy is better all around
5. Coastal- got the W
6. Sbama- looked ok
7. Nmst-hung around p5
The rest... not very impressed. Losing to fcs underdogs or nearly losing and a couple other beat downs. You could actually throw app st in here too they looked horrible on offense and even worse on d but I think will improve.

Hung around with a P5?

We were two drops away from scoring a TD to tie or go for two and a win at Nebraska.

Nice downplay though.

1. A-State
2. Troy
3. Idaho
4.App
5. NMSU
6.CCU
7.GS
8. ULL
9. USA
10. ULM
11. Tx State
12. GSU



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ULM 10th and below ULL? Really? Explain this one to me. Losing by 8 to maybe the best G5 team compared to should have lost or almost lost to a non ranked FCS team? Than makes sense.

I don’t give much credit for garbage time scores. They looked downright awful against Memphis. Turnovers left and right.

Awful? We put up 425 total yards. Lost by 8 to a team favored by 28 in a driving rainstorm. Three of the four turnovers came in the first half. I don't think you know what garbage scores really are...ULM came within an onsides kick of the possibility of tying up the game at the end, despite the turnovers and looking "awful".

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:53 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Just like last year Troy is over rated. I am surprised they don't get ranked by playing Boies to less than a 12 point loss.

Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:53 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Just like last year Troy is over rated. I am surprised they don't get ranked by playing Boies to less than a 12 point loss.

Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

(09-06-2017 12:14 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:53 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Just like last year Troy is over rated. I am surprised they don't get ranked by playing Boies to less than a 12 point loss.

Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

I watched both games. Ole Miss definitely looked the better of two.

(09-06-2017 12:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:14 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 07:53 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Just like last year Troy is over rated. I am surprised they don't get ranked by playing Boies to less than a 12 point loss.

Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

I watched both games. Ole Miss definitely looked the better of two.

If you look at it that way, Troy looked 10x better than South. Judging by the score early in the 4th, it doesn't look like your o-line got any pressure at all. We had 4 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, and pressured Brett all day. Part of why Boise didn't look so good was because of what our defense did.

When are you guys gonna give Troy credit for an outstanding DC hire?

(09-06-2017 12:50 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:14 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

I watched both games. Ole Miss definitely looked the better of two.

If you look at it that way, Troy looked 10x better than South. Judging by the score early in the 4th, it doesn't look like your o-line got any pressure at all. We had 4 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, and pressured Brett all day. Part of why Boise didn't look so good was because of what our defense did.

When are you guys gonna give Troy credit for an outstanding DC hire?

A) Troy has an outstanding defense. I took that into account when forming my opinion.
B) When you say by "judging by the score" I assume that means you didn't watch much, if any, of the USA/OM game. USA got two sacks against an extremely mobile and creative QB, so I was overall favorably impressed about the pass rush.

I don't get where people are so down on Ole Miss. They'll fade over the new few years, but right now they've got top talent including 2 top 10 classes over the last 4 years.

(09-06-2017 01:04 PM)HCJag Wrote:  I don't get where people are so down on Ole Miss. They'll fade over the new few years, but right now they've got top talent including 2 top 10 classes over the last 4 years.

It's because a 5-7 Georgia Southern team with no real offense to speak of only lost to them by 10 points and South Alabama just played them relatively tough.

(09-06-2017 12:50 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:14 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:41 AM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  Its really hard to say this early in the year.

This is how I would Power Rank the opponents:

1 .Auburn
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Boise State
5. Nebraska
6. Arizona State
7. Memphis
8.Southeastern Lo
9 UMass
10 Tennessee State
11 Sacramento State
12 Houston Baptist

Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

I watched both games. Ole Miss definitely looked the better of two.

If you look at it that way, Troy looked 10x better than South. Judging by the score early in the 4th, it doesn't look like your o-line got any pressure at all. We had 4 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, and pressured Brett all day. Part of why Boise didn't look so good was because of what our defense did.

When are you guys gonna give Troy credit for an outstanding DC hire?

I don't think I've heard anyone say anything negative about your defense/DC. The fact he is still there is actually impressive. I don't think Boise is bad, they are just not middle of the SEC good. Ole Miss's offense is loaded with 5* and 4* guys who can play. Their defense was not incredibly strong, but their D-line will be top tier in the SEC before the season is over. Troy's defense simply has nothing to do with the difference between these two teams.

If you actually watch the game instead of looking at stats and scores, you'll notice we got pressure all night. We only got 2 sacks, but should have had at least 3 more if not for their QB improvising and getting out of tight jams. Our o-line and d-line hung with Ole Miss. The difference was literally 2 missed tackles (that each resulted in 70+ yard TDs) and a kick-off return for a touchdown. I know that's part of the game, but it was that close to going down to the wire.

(09-06-2017 01:04 PM)HCJag Wrote:  I don't get where people are so down on Ole Miss. They'll fade over the new few years, but right now they've got top talent including 2 top 10 classes over the last 4 years.

I think Ole Miss will be only a middle of the pack SEC team this year, but they were ready to play last Saturday. As I've said before, I don't think their offense will be the problem.

(09-06-2017 01:02 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:50 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:14 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 06:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Ole Miss better than Boise?

Of course. I would think someone who invests as much time looking at talent as you do would see that clearly.

I watched both games. Ole Miss definitely looked the better of two.

If you look at it that way, Troy looked 10x better than South. Judging by the score early in the 4th, it doesn't look like your o-line got any pressure at all. We had 4 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, and pressured Brett all day. Part of why Boise didn't look so good was because of what our defense did.

When are you guys gonna give Troy credit for an outstanding DC hire?

A) Troy has an outstanding defense. I took that into account when forming my opinion.
B) When you say by "judging by the score" I assume that means you didn't watch much, if any, of the USA/OM game. USA got two sacks against an extremely mobile and creative QB, so I was overall favorably impressed about the pass rush.

And as you mentioned over at Jags Jungle during the game, it seemed like we were playing more to control the run game than create pressure. We were worried about letting Patterson scramble on us so we were scared to send too much pressure.

Joey Jones even admitted on his coaches show that we should have played more man coverage and blitzed more, that is our game. We played better man coverage than zone. We didn't think we could cover them one-on-one all night, but it turned out when we tried, we did a pretty good job of it. I expect a little more man coverage against an even better OSU receiving core.

(09-06-2017 01:19 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I don't think I've heard anyone say anything negative about your defense/DC.

A lot of times when Troy plays good defense, someone comes in and chimes in about how bad the other team is offensively. When someone says Boise didn't look that good, is it because Boise isn't great, or Troy actually did something good on defense? That's what I'm referring to.

(09-06-2017 01:31 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 01:19 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I don't think I've heard anyone say anything negative about your defense/DC.

A lot of times when Troy plays good defense, someone comes in and chimes in about how bad the other team is offensively. When someone says Boise didn't look that good, is it because Boise isn't great, or Troy actually did something good on defense? That's what I'm referring to.

Boise is good, Ole Miss is better. Shea Patterson and AJ Brown are a couple of future high NFL draft picks.