(09-05-2017 09:57 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 09:45 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 03:26 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If Liberty comes in and starts tearing it up the Sunbelt might regret not letting them in especially if they turn into the next Boise.

It might be wise for the Sunbelt to reach out to Liberty and NMSU for a scheduling deal. Let NMSU play a West Division schedule and give Liberty an East Division one. Don't make them official conference members, just a scheduling agreement so that you don't owe them any playoff money.

The Sun Belt is a collection of public institutions that don't discriminate against Jews, Hindus, Muslims, the non-religious, Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, scientists, unmarried cohabitating persons, Transgendered persons, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Bahai'is, among a whole host of other persons. The Sun Belt institutions believe in science. The Sun Belt institutions don't have dynastic leadership and don't give the impression of being one family's personal property. Our institution's leadership aren't de facto political figures dedicated to one particular political party. The focus of our institutions are to educate, not evangelize/discriminate/politicize. Liberty isn't a fit. Our schools are more than our athletic programs. Our athletic programs are largely funded by the taxpayers and our students, many of whom would NOT be welcome to enjoy any of the benefits of LU's inclusion in our conference. And lets be clear, our AD deficits (and all G5 programs run them) can be boiled down to football, football, football. Its not good policy to hand people a big fat bill for a party they can't participate in. At some point they might say "nah, we're not paying it" or "hey, lets get rid of the student/taxpayer subsidy for FBS football".

They applied, they were turned down flat out. At the same time we were begging any number of FCS schools to join.

And the Western Belt schools are unhappy with the Eastern shift too. They wanted NMSU as an all sport. Even if LU could start behaving like a non-discriminatory institution, they STILL probably wouldn't get in, because too many teams don't want any team in Lynchburg to be in their league. Heck, I think JMU might be off the table too.

Jacksonville State beat Ole Miss a few years back. They're never getting in the Belt with this current lineup.

Most of our members are content to stay at 10 teams at this time. We're no longer the 'conference of the misfit toys'. We're not a dumping ground anymore. We're not open admission.

Key word in your message is "...our members are content..." and I believe you are right. The SBC contentment is different that the goals of LU that are different and broader than the SBC. Yes, LU has lofty goals. And yes LU is an "in your face" school that offends many, including myself at times. But to where SBC is content at 10 teams and to play the level and schedule it does, it not the goal or contentment of LU.

This is just not true.

Even little Troy University had goals a few years ago. Remember when they had like 5 straight SBC titles? Their coach was on TV talking about busting the BCS. And the admin was pushing for a move to CUSA.

Do you all think Cincinnati is content being in the AAC? No, it's just their only option right now.

The poster suffering sour grape syndrome.

Sun Belt ran off Denver (imposing membership standards with five years to meet them, knowing Denver could not meet them) because they did not fit.

Pretty much everyone in the Sun Belt is spending on facilities because we aspire to be better. We schedule aggressively. AState has a smattering of P5 home/home, several home/home with AAC.

Louisiana just spent big money on a new baseball stadium after a football stadium expansion, and so on and so on.

What sour grapes? Look at the teams the SBC has booted, they have all been West Coast programs that joined because they had no other option. Imposing membership standards was just a legal way of doing it.

And Louisiana exemplifies my point. They are not content with their current situation just like most G5 programs are not. They are spending money on facilities and re-branding so they can improve. Can you honestly say they would not bolt for CUSA given the chance?

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

(09-04-2017 12:36 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  Hell I figured this win would bring Tom out. How many times do we have to go over this? Jews work at Liberty. LGBT work at Liberty, granted it's staff. More and more Liberals are coming to Liberty; speakers, students and employees. It's getting main stream. Rules are slowly getting laxed like curfew just being waived for anyone who is 20 and over.

But please keep going back to the 90's rule book and what ever the bull **** media feeds you. You never been to Liberty and your only information is from people who never been there or people who were there in the 80-90's when it was bad.

Ark- The required creation studies class ISN'T required for students to take anymore. It's an ELECTIVE. Liberty is slowly embracing evolution.

Yes, Jr is a moron and he alone is what is going to keep us from any conference invite or get any respect from the academic world but please know what you're talking about.

Uh no, they're not. Slowly embracing a concept every other university has embraced a century ago. PROGRESS! You went to a right wing lobbyist factory, you're not a real school. Try getting a job at a public school with a teaching degree from Liberty. Yeah, I had two cousins go there. It's closer to a cult than a reputable university.

4 years ago when Liberty was announcing, begging, pleading for FBS membership the SBC chose not to include LU. Most all decisions not to include were moral or social which can be justified by those making the judgements. Now with LU being an indy, and with the assets and amenities LU has, LU does not need the SBC. Sure as an indy they need to schedule games, but the one big stick the SBC was able to wave, the conference invite which limited LU, is no longer a big stick and has become a non factor.

All the justifications for or against LU only builds interest. To those who dislike LU and for those that are naysayers, LU will be a game that excites interest, if LU wins some memorable game. If LU falters and has quality wins, the opposite will occur.

(09-05-2017 11:17 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:36 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  Hell I figured this win would bring Tom out. How many times do we have to go over this? Jews work at Liberty. LGBT work at Liberty, granted it's staff. More and more Liberals are coming to Liberty; speakers, students and employees. It's getting main stream. Rules are slowly getting laxed like curfew just being waived for anyone who is 20 and over.

But please keep going back to the 90's rule book and what ever the bull **** media feeds you. You never been to Liberty and your only information is from people who never been there or people who were there in the 80-90's when it was bad.

Ark- The required creation studies class ISN'T required for students to take anymore. It's an ELECTIVE. Liberty is slowly embracing evolution.

Yes, Jr is a moron and he alone is what is going to keep us from any conference invite or get any respect from the academic world but please know what you're talking about.

Uh no, they're not. Slowly embracing a concept every other university has embraced a century ago. PROGRESS! You went to a right wing lobbyist factory, you're not a real school. Try getting a job at a public school with a teaching degree from Liberty. Yeah, I had two cousins go there. It's closer to a cult than a reputable university.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but there are a lot of liberty alumni teaching in public schools and there are a lot of students that student teach through out public schools here in Virginia. Considering where it was 10 years ago it is progress and considering I work for the school now it's far from the truth but hey think whatever you want to think bud.

(09-05-2017 02:37 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:17 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:36 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  Hell I figured this win would bring Tom out. How many times do we have to go over this? Jews work at Liberty. LGBT work at Liberty, granted it's staff. More and more Liberals are coming to Liberty; speakers, students and employees. It's getting main stream. Rules are slowly getting laxed like curfew just being waived for anyone who is 20 and over.

But please keep going back to the 90's rule book and what ever the bull **** media feeds you. You never been to Liberty and your only information is from people who never been there or people who were there in the 80-90's when it was bad.

Ark- The required creation studies class ISN'T required for students to take anymore. It's an ELECTIVE. Liberty is slowly embracing evolution.

Yes, Jr is a moron and he alone is what is going to keep us from any conference invite or get any respect from the academic world but please know what you're talking about.

Uh no, they're not. Slowly embracing a concept every other university has embraced a century ago. PROGRESS! You went to a right wing lobbyist factory, you're not a real school. Try getting a job at a public school with a teaching degree from Liberty. Yeah, I had two cousins go there. It's closer to a cult than a reputable university.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but there are a lot of liberty alumni teaching in public schools and there are a lot of students that student teach through out public schools here in Virginia. Considering where it was 10 years ago it is progress and considering I work for the school now it's far from the truth but hey think whatever you want to think bud.

So you went to and work for the school so I should take your word for it? How about you take my word for it that most people think your school is a joke because it's run by a TV televangelist and the presidency is passed down by blood right. But yeah, far from the truth.

(09-05-2017 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

Becoming the best G5 school like Boise was when they were still sustaining their run admittedly takes time. However, I think Liberty's aggressive scheduling could lend itself for a similar type of run.

No offense to Boise fans or fans of the old Big West and WAC football conferences but when Boise came up to FBS they played some pretty weak conference foes. Boise was able to put up some impressive stats against these foes that caught people's attention. Liberty is going to have some lightweights like NMSU and UMass on their schedule for quite a while and if they can build a good team they have the potential to dominate them.

The second part of Boise's success was big wins against big time opponents. It wasn't like Boise got 8-9 P5 type foes a year but when they met one in the regular season or at bowl time they rose to the occasion. Liberty is going to have the kind of schedule where they have a handful of big names but mostly lower tier G5s. A couple big wins can go a long way.

(09-05-2017 04:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

Becoming the best G5 school like Boise was when they were still sustaining their run admittedly takes time. However, I think Liberty's aggressive scheduling could lend itself for a similar type of run.

No offense to Boise fans or fans of the old Big West and WAC football conferences but when Boise came up to FBS they played some pretty weak conference foes. Boise was able to put up some impressive stats against these foes that caught people's attention. Liberty is going to have some lightweights like NMSU and UMass on their schedule for quite a while and if they can build a good team they have the potential to dominate them.

The second part of Boise's success was big wins against big time opponents. It wasn't like Boise got 8-9 P5 type foes a year but when they met one in the regular season or at bowl time they rose to the occasion. Liberty is going to have the kind of schedule where they have a handful of big names but mostly lower tier G5s. A couple big wins can go a long way.

If the Liberty money ends up being real they could find themselves at the top in short order.

No other G5 program has anywhere near the money they do.

The only problem they have is that they are essentially an on-line school.

(09-05-2017 04:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

Becoming the best G5 school like Boise was when they were still sustaining their run admittedly takes time. However, I think Liberty's aggressive scheduling could lend itself for a similar type of run.

No offense to Boise fans or fans of the old Big West and WAC football conferences but when Boise came up to FBS they played some pretty weak conference foes. Boise was able to put up some impressive stats against these foes that caught people's attention. Liberty is going to have some lightweights like NMSU and UMass on their schedule for quite a while and if they can build a good team they have the potential to dominate them.

The second part of Boise's success was big wins against big time opponents. It wasn't like Boise got 8-9 P5 type foes a year but when they met one in the regular season or at bowl time they rose to the occasion. Liberty is going to have the kind of schedule where they have a handful of big names but mostly lower tier G5s. A couple big wins can go a long way.

It's just that it can't happen overnight, in addition to the fact that people almost always underestimate how consistently good Boise State has been. In the last 18 seasons, Boise is averaging 10.9 wins per season. That's an extremely high level of winning over a very long period. Yes, I know that people say "they couldn't do that in the SEC", etc., etc., but they haven't been running SEC recruiting classes out there against the WAC and MWC. They're recruiting at the same level as their conference mates but just beating them 90% of the time year in and year out since today's freshmen were born. No other FBS program has done that to their peers for that long.

"Essentially an online school" ... "run by a TV televangelist"?

This thread is full of misinformed folks parroting wrong information.

We have a larger enrollment on campus than the Big XII school we just beat this past Saturday. We are not ashamed that we have done a better job of offering online education than other brick & mortar schools. Nearly every major university in the U.S. and overseas has made trips to Lynchburg to learn how we built our online model alongside our traditional model.

I would beg to differ with LUbball23 on the evolution front. I would agree they are slowly moving away from a dogmatic approach of Young Earth Creationism. But Intelligent Design remains the unquestioned position of the school.

Jerry Jr. is a lot of things but a televangelist has never been one of them. Lawyer? Yes. Real estate developer? Yes. Minister of any kind? No. When he is referenced in political circles as a religious leader it is only speaking on his administrative leadership of the largest Christian university.

His dad was a completely different story. But he's been buried for a decade.

I could easily make a snarky comment about Rutgers but I'll pass on this occasion.

(09-05-2017 06:16 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  "Essentially an online school" ... "run by a TV televangelist"?

This thread is full of misinformed folks parroting wrong information.

We have a larger enrollment on campus than the Big XII school we just beat this past Saturday. We are not ashamed that we have done a better job of offering online education than other brick & mortar schools. Nearly every major university in the U.S. and overseas has made trips to Lynchburg to learn how we built our online model alongside our traditional model.

I would beg to differ with LUbball23 on the evolution front. I would agree they are slowly moving away from a dogmatic approach of Young Earth Creationism. But Intelligent Design remains the unquestioned position of the school.

Jerry Jr. is a lot of things but a televangelist has never been one of them. Lawyer? Yes. Real estate developer? Yes. Minister of any kind? No. When he is referenced in political circles as a religious leader it is only speaking on his administrative leadership of the largest Christian university.

His dad was a completely different story. But he's been buried for a decade.

I could easily make a snarky comment about Rutgers but I'll pass on this occasion.

Thank you for confirming later in your post that I was correct in regards to Liberty's unusually high on-line presence.

Having a large online presence is a sign of health and not a negative. Alabama is just playing catch-up right now. But I have confidence that they will get there eventually.

http://bamabydistance.ua.edu/

(09-05-2017 07:10 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Having a large online presence is a sign of health and not a negative. Alabama is just playing catch-up right now. But I have confidence that they will get there eventually.

http://bamabydistance.ua.edu/

There is a difference between a university which has an online wing and an online university with an on-campus wing.

The overwhelming majority of Liberty's degrees are online.

That carries baggage wether you like it or not.

(09-05-2017 07:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 07:10 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Having a large online presence is a sign of health and not a negative. Alabama is just playing catch-up right now. But I have confidence that they will get there eventually.

http://bamabydistance.ua.edu/

There is a difference between a university which has an online wing and an online university with an on-campus wing.

The overwhelming majority of Liberty's degrees are online.

That carries baggage wether you like it or not.

Our athletic goal has always been to get a shot at Notre Dame, U Southern Cal or Alabama in football. At least you guys know we exist now.

(09-05-2017 11:17 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:36 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  Hell I figured this win would bring Tom out. How many times do we have to go over this? Jews work at Liberty. LGBT work at Liberty, granted it's staff. More and more Liberals are coming to Liberty; speakers, students and employees. It's getting main stream. Rules are slowly getting laxed like curfew just being waived for anyone who is 20 and over.

But please keep going back to the 90's rule book and what ever the bull **** media feeds you. You never been to Liberty and your only information is from people who never been there or people who were there in the 80-90's when it was bad.

Ark- The required creation studies class ISN'T required for students to take anymore. It's an ELECTIVE. Liberty is slowly embracing evolution.

Yes, Jr is a moron and he alone is what is going to keep us from any conference invite or get any respect from the academic world but please know what you're talking about.

Uh no, they're not. Slowly embracing a concept every other university has embraced a century ago. PROGRESS! You went to a right wing lobbyist factory, you're not a real school. Try getting a job at a public school with a teaching degree from Liberty. Yeah, I had two cousins go there. It's closer to a cult than a reputable university.

My brother-in-law graduated from Liberty last year with his MS and is teaching at a community college in North Carolina. Your cousins just may not be very intelligent....The school is regionally accredited.

(09-05-2017 05:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

Becoming the best G5 school like Boise was when they were still sustaining their run admittedly takes time. However, I think Liberty's aggressive scheduling could lend itself for a similar type of run.

No offense to Boise fans or fans of the old Big West and WAC football conferences but when Boise came up to FBS they played some pretty weak conference foes. Boise was able to put up some impressive stats against these foes that caught people's attention. Liberty is going to have some lightweights like NMSU and UMass on their schedule for quite a while and if they can build a good team they have the potential to dominate them.

The second part of Boise's success was big wins against big time opponents. It wasn't like Boise got 8-9 P5 type foes a year but when they met one in the regular season or at bowl time they rose to the occasion. Liberty is going to have the kind of schedule where they have a handful of big names but mostly lower tier G5s. A couple big wins can go a long way.

If the Liberty money ends up being real they could find themselves at the top in short order.

No other G5 program has anywhere near the money they do.

The only problem they have is that they are essentially an on-line school.

You know as a fellow Alabama resident you can respect my observation here. Liberty well, Lynchburg has that SEC like feel to the city. Like when you get off I-59 you know you are in Tide land...

The city is extremely supportive of the school. I think the online aspect + the Christian ties further the interest in the program. Like I admit I'm becoming a Liberty fan because I'm a Christian and it's nice to see a Christian school doing big things.

(09-05-2017 06:16 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  "Essentially an online school" ... "run by a TV televangelist"?

This thread is full of misinformed folks parroting wrong information.

We have a larger enrollment on campus than the Big XII school we just beat this past Saturday. We are not ashamed that we have done a better job of offering online education than other brick & mortar schools. Nearly every major university in the U.S. and overseas has made trips to Lynchburg to learn how we built our online model alongside our traditional model.

I would beg to differ with LUbball23 on the evolution front. I would agree they are slowly moving away from a dogmatic approach of Young Earth Creationism. But Intelligent Design remains the unquestioned position of the school.

Jerry Jr. is a lot of things but a televangelist has never been one of them. Lawyer? Yes. Real estate developer? Yes. Minister of any kind? No. When he is referenced in political circles as a religious leader it is only speaking on his administrative leadership of the largest Christian university.

His dad was a completely different story. But he's been buried for a decade.

I could easily make a snarky comment about Rutgers but I'll pass on this occasion.

Rutgers is in New Jersey.

You don't really need to insult them any further than that.

(09-05-2017 08:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 05:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 10:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  if they turn into the next Boise.

No one can just "turn into the next Boise" (or "the next Gonzaga" in hoops), even though people say things like this all the time. To be "the next Boise" takes more than a couple of really good seasons, it takes being one of the best non-P5 teams for a period of 10-15 years.

Becoming the best G5 school like Boise was when they were still sustaining their run admittedly takes time. However, I think Liberty's aggressive scheduling could lend itself for a similar type of run.

No offense to Boise fans or fans of the old Big West and WAC football conferences but when Boise came up to FBS they played some pretty weak conference foes. Boise was able to put up some impressive stats against these foes that caught people's attention. Liberty is going to have some lightweights like NMSU and UMass on their schedule for quite a while and if they can build a good team they have the potential to dominate them.

The second part of Boise's success was big wins against big time opponents. It wasn't like Boise got 8-9 P5 type foes a year but when they met one in the regular season or at bowl time they rose to the occasion. Liberty is going to have the kind of schedule where they have a handful of big names but mostly lower tier G5s. A couple big wins can go a long way.

If the Liberty money ends up being real they could find themselves at the top in short order.

No other G5 program has anywhere near the money they do.

The only problem they have is that they are essentially an on-line school.

You know as a fellow Alabama resident you can respect my observation here. Liberty well, Lynchburg has that SEC like feel to the city. Like when you get off I-59 you know you are in Tide land...

The city is extremely supportive of the school. I think the online aspect + the Christian ties further the interest in the program. Like I admit I'm becoming a Liberty fan because I'm a Christian and it's nice to see a Christian school doing big things.

I can see that.

While they probably won't like the comparison, the closest model to Liberty is Notre Dame.

We have no problem with those comparisons. Although we make no assertions that we are close to there.

(09-05-2017 03:54 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:37 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:17 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:36 PM)LUbball23 Wrote:  Hell I figured this win would bring Tom out. How many times do we have to go over this? Jews work at Liberty. LGBT work at Liberty, granted it's staff. More and more Liberals are coming to Liberty; speakers, students and employees. It's getting main stream. Rules are slowly getting laxed like curfew just being waived for anyone who is 20 and over.

But please keep going back to the 90's rule book and what ever the bull **** media feeds you. You never been to Liberty and your only information is from people who never been there or people who were there in the 80-90's when it was bad.

Ark- The required creation studies class ISN'T required for students to take anymore. It's an ELECTIVE. Liberty is slowly embracing evolution.

Yes, Jr is a moron and he alone is what is going to keep us from any conference invite or get any respect from the academic world but please know what you're talking about.

Uh no, they're not. Slowly embracing a concept every other university has embraced a century ago. PROGRESS! You went to a right wing lobbyist factory, you're not a real school. Try getting a job at a public school with a teaching degree from Liberty. Yeah, I had two cousins go there. It's closer to a cult than a reputable university.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but there are a lot of liberty alumni teaching in public schools and there are a lot of students that student teach through out public schools here in Virginia. Considering where it was 10 years ago it is progress and considering I work for the school now it's far from the truth but hey think whatever you want to think bud.

So you went to and work for the school so I should take your word for it? How about you take my word for it that most people think your school is a joke because it's run by a TV televangelist and the presidency is passed down by blood right. But yeah, far from the truth.

I personally know nurses, police officers, dieticians, electrical engineers, counselors/social workers (myself included), and teachers, that have all been hired from Liberty right out of school. 87% of graduates have jobs within 2 years of graduation, which is just over the national average.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/liberty-university/

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