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RE: SLC policeman doesn't get his way, assaults Nurse, still on duty
(09-03-2017 01:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The officer was in the right but handled himself poorly.

The exigency of the situation overrides the hospital policy.

The officer's reaction is problematic but he wasn't wrong--the nurse was.

It's doubtful she will make a penny off this.

One does not receive an extra layer of constitutional protection by virtue of being out cold.

This event was caused by the ignorance of both parties.

Please, I'd love to see your reasoning as to how the 2016 Supreme Court decision ruling such invasive procedures unconstitutional somehow authorizes the police to roughly arrest people who refuse to break the law on their orders.

And under what authority do police officers have immunity for not knowing the law? Or brazenly ignoring it?

What's next, a police officer arresting people for being Gay or violating segregation laws? Would that be legal too?

And where was the nurse ignorant of anything?

That police officer belongs in jail. And the Lt should lose his pension and be fired.
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(09-03-2017 03:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 01:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The officer was in the right but handled himself poorly.

The exigency of the situation overrides the hospital policy.

The officer's reaction is problematic but he wasn't wrong--the nurse was.

It's doubtful she will make a penny off this.

One does not receive an extra layer of constitutional protection by virtue of being out cold.

This event was caused by the ignorance of both parties.

Please, I'd love to see your reasoning as to how the 2016 Supreme Court decision ruling such invasive procedures unconstitutional somehow authorizes the police to roughly arrest people who refuse to break the law on their orders.

And under what authority do police officers have immunity for not knowing the law? Or brazenly ignoring it?

What's next, a police officer arresting people for being Gay or violating segregation laws? Would that be legal too?

And where was the nurse ignorant of anything?

That police officer belongs in jail. And the Lt should lose his pension and be fired.

Because that wasn't the ruling.

The Missouri case was narrow in that states which already have refusal as admission laws have no exigency when a person refuses.

It would have no applicability to these facts.

You should quit pretending to know what you are talking about. You're mad, and nothing more. This is clearly all above your head and well above your pay grade. For those reasons you're back on ignore.

Bye!
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(09-03-2017 03:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 03:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 01:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The officer was in the right but handled himself poorly.

The exigency of the situation overrides the hospital policy.

The officer's reaction is problematic but he wasn't wrong--the nurse was.

It's doubtful she will make a penny off this.

One does not receive an extra layer of constitutional protection by virtue of being out cold.

This event was caused by the ignorance of both parties.

Please, I'd love to see your reasoning as to how the 2016 Supreme Court decision ruling such invasive procedures unconstitutional somehow authorizes the police to roughly arrest people who refuse to break the law on their orders.

And under what authority do police officers have immunity for not knowing the law? Or brazenly ignoring it?

What's next, a police officer arresting people for being Gay or violating segregation laws? Would that be legal too?

And where was the nurse ignorant of anything?

That police officer belongs in jail. And the Lt should lose his pension and be fired.

Because that wasn't the ruling.

The Missouri case was narrow in that states which already have refusal as admission laws have no exigency when a person refuses.

It would have no applicability to these facts.

You should quit pretending to know what you are talking about. You're mad, and nothing more. This is clearly all above your head and well above your pay grade. For those reasons you're back on ignore.

Bye!

Meanwhile, back in the real world, I think that it would be an extreme stretch to shoehorn McNeely to authorize the case of the VICTIM of a drunk driving accident, where there was zero probably cause and no warrant, to be subjected to a warrantless search in violation of the 2016 Supreme Court ruling.

McNeely requires two tests. Resonableness and Urgency. It fails on reasonableness. Because its clear that no judge would have ordered the warrant to compel a blood test. The suspect was already in custody (and not there), and there was no danger of anyone fleeing and no danger to anyone else.

If you can use McNeely to arrest people for refusing to comply with a warrantless search with no consequences for the arresting officer, that renders any protections from warrantless searches meaningless.

If anything the concept of exigency, would have mandated that the nurse on duty in a ER would be left alone at least until the end of her shift.

Was the 2016 Supreme Court ruling limited in scope?

The only way the police officer walks is nullification.
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(09-03-2017 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 10:58 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.

You stated that the nurse should sue her supervisor. I stated (correctly) that she should sue the PD. It would be a slam dunk case. Her supervisor isn't at fault a fact acknowledged by SLCPD but not you.

The officer plainly stated that he didn't know the law when he repeatedly cited implied consent. It's his responsibility to know the law. It's also his responsibility not to commit unlawful searches and unlawful arrests. That's why he's been suspended and I believe his LT has been suspended as well. SLCPD has acknowledged their failure in this area and that the nurse was correct. This isn't about feels. Yet here you remain tripling down on your stupidity.

Suing the supervisor was hyperbole. I also said she had a possible civil action against the police department.

You triple down on showing that you lack the emotional control to understand what you read or are simply too lacking in intelligence. I
'll give you the benefit of a doubt. You don't like what happened so anybody who isn't as totally offended as you is either stupid or evil. In other words, you are like way too many people these days.

More excuses. You also wrote "There was nothing the police officer did illegal. He just used poor judgement and lost his temper at the nurse's arrogant boss."

You are too immature to admit you are wrong for trying lamely to excuse the officer's behavior or take responsibility for what you write. In other words you are a toddler.
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The other cops/security guards should have tazered his ass!


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(09-01-2017 05:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 04:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:29 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 01:49 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'll side with the nurse every time on a issue like this. Poor judgement on the cop's part. He should know you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


I have more of an issue with them wanting a sample from the guy in the first place. He did no wrong.

Hunh?

Did I miss that in the article? He was involved in an accident which killed the other driver. Cop may have thought the guy was drunk or on drugs, by the time he's conscious anything in his system could well be cleared.

I'm not defending his actions in regard to the nurse, but I could see why he wants a blood sample, had no idea (never thought about it) about that restriction.

Most places I think the cop can order a blood test, or if it can't be ordered but you refuse one, the presumption is guilty.

Yes, they didn't really say why they wanted the blood sample. Maybe the police officer had just pulled together the pieces of a 3 year old child this guy killed with drunk driving.

READ THE DAMN ARTICLE. The man they were trying to get blood from was the VICTIM.

And regardless if he were the drunk or not...police aren't gods. They have laws to follow too.

Had a slightly similar situation at my work last month. Glad I wasn't arrested for doing my job and obeying law dispute the police chief giving me hell.
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(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 06:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 04:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Yes, they didn't really say why they wanted the blood sample. Maybe the police officer had just pulled together the pieces of a 3 year old child this guy killed with drunk driving.
So, the Constitutional violation and false arrest was "for the children".



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We don't know what this officer was going through. Don't know the situation. When the boss started getting arrogant he lost it.
He let a guy on a phone get under his skin enough to arrest a nurse following the law and policy? Shouldn't be a cop if he loses his cool that easy

Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

What other profession can one flip out and the reply be "well, we don't know what he was going through?"

Imagine a rude customer at a bank and the tell just throws the customers cash at them because someone was overly rude earlier in the day? I'm sure we'd see what the tellers day was like before condemning their actions.
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(09-04-2017 07:42 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 10:58 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  "Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.

You stated that the nurse should sue her supervisor. I stated (correctly) that she should sue the PD. It would be a slam dunk case. Her supervisor isn't at fault a fact acknowledged by SLCPD but not you.

The officer plainly stated that he didn't know the law when he repeatedly cited implied consent. It's his responsibility to know the law. It's also his responsibility not to commit unlawful searches and unlawful arrests. That's why he's been suspended and I believe his LT has been suspended as well. SLCPD has acknowledged their failure in this area and that the nurse was correct. This isn't about feels. Yet here you remain tripling down on your stupidity.

Suing the supervisor was hyperbole. I also said she had a possible civil action against the police department.

You triple down on showing that you lack the emotional control to understand what you read or are simply too lacking in intelligence. I
'll give you the benefit of a doubt. You don't like what happened so anybody who isn't as totally offended as you is either stupid or evil. In other words, you are like way too many people these days.

More excuses. You also wrote "There was nothing the police officer did illegal. He just used poor judgement and lost his temper at the nurse's arrogant boss."

You are too immature to admit you are wrong for trying lamely to excuse the officer's behavior or take responsibility for what you write. In other words you are a toddler.

That's gives me a smile. You call someone a name and say they are immature! Really is funny.
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(09-04-2017 10:43 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 06:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  So, the Constitutional violation and false arrest was "for the children".



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We don't know what this officer was going through. Don't know the situation. When the boss started getting arrogant he lost it.
He let a guy on a phone get under his skin enough to arrest a nurse following the law and policy? Shouldn't be a cop if he loses his cool that easy

Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

What other profession can one flip out and the reply be "well, we don't know what he was going through?"

Imagine a rude customer at a bank and the tell just throws the customers cash at them because someone was overly rude earlier in the day? I'm sure we'd see what the tellers day was like before condemning their actions.

Where are his actions excused? But consequences shouldn't be done in a vacuum.
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(09-04-2017 10:43 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 06:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  So, the Constitutional violation and false arrest was "for the children".



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We don't know what this officer was going through. Don't know the situation. When the boss started getting arrogant he lost it.
He let a guy on a phone get under his skin enough to arrest a nurse following the law and policy? Shouldn't be a cop if he loses his cool that easy

Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

What other profession can one flip out and the reply be "well, we don't know what he was going through?"

Imagine a rude customer at a bank and the tell just throws the customers cash at them because someone was overly rude earlier in the day? I'm sure we'd see what the tellers day was like before condemning their actions.

This had nothing to do with a bank or rude customers.

Let's stick to the facts.
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According to this Utah lawyer, cop was in the wrong. Nurse was right to refuse but for the wrong reasons. He does say that the SC decision does not apply to this case. Cop believed he had implied consent due to Utah law. But, according to this lawyer, Utah law only gives implied consent when the driver is suspected of committing a crime. Since, they wanted the drivers blood to prove he was not under the influence (and therefore not suspected of a crime) the officer did not have implied consent.

http://www.sltrib.com/pb/opinion/comment...omplicated
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(09-01-2017 03:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
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(09-01-2017 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You need a warrant.

We had a case here locally where a guy killed three people on Xmas Eve. He was three times over the limit but he walked because his blood was drawn without a warrant.

He must not have been unable to consent or refuse the test. In NC the cops can request a blood sample. If you refuse? You are considered guilty. I presume if you are unable to consent due to injury then a warrant would be necessary.

That's ridiculous. What if you don't want blood drawn for religious reasons or you just have a phobia of needles.

I don't see how that could possibly hold up in court.

As for the guy, I don't know what state he was in when they drew his blood but I know from the news that he tried to walk away from the crash and his mug shot was taken and he didn't look hurt.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/c...625031.php

I think the same applies to the breath test. Refusal is admission of guilt.

That's bull. We are innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on the state to prove you are guilty.
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(09-05-2017 02:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 03:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You need a warrant.

We had a case here locally where a guy killed three people on Xmas Eve. He was three times over the limit but he walked because his blood was drawn without a warrant.

He must not have been unable to consent or refuse the test. In NC the cops can request a blood sample. If you refuse? You are considered guilty. I presume if you are unable to consent due to injury then a warrant would be necessary.

That's ridiculous. What if you don't want blood drawn for religious reasons or you just have a phobia of needles.

I don't see how that could possibly hold up in court.

As for the guy, I don't know what state he was in when they drew his blood but I know from the news that he tried to walk away from the crash and his mug shot was taken and he didn't look hurt.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/c...625031.php

I think the same applies to the breath test. Refusal is admission of guilt.

That's bull. We are innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on the state to prove you are guilty.

Not when you refuse to blow.

If memory serves, it creates a rebuttable presumption.
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(09-05-2017 02:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 02:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 03:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 02:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  He must not have been unable to consent or refuse the test. In NC the cops can request a blood sample. If you refuse? You are considered guilty. I presume if you are unable to consent due to injury then a warrant would be necessary.

That's ridiculous. What if you don't want blood drawn for religious reasons or you just have a phobia of needles.

I don't see how that could possibly hold up in court.

As for the guy, I don't know what state he was in when they drew his blood but I know from the news that he tried to walk away from the crash and his mug shot was taken and he didn't look hurt.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/c...625031.php

I think the same applies to the breath test. Refusal is admission of guilt.

That's bull. We are innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on the state to prove you are guilty.

Not when you refuse to blow.

If memory serves, it creates a rebuttable presumption.

In Alabama, it also comes with a 90 day suspension of your license.

Not that I see myself ever being in that situation, but I still wouldn't blow.
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Wow.

Lot of unbridled emotions with this thing. Who saw that coming???
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I heard the victim was an off-duty cop from Rigby, Idaho.
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