(08-31-2017 05:03 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I think this is a mistake by the President. A PR disaster so it is stupid politically. I also think these kids are innocent they did not sneak into the country. I loathe open borders and illegal immigration.. But this is just wrong.

Well, don't we need to at least see what the changes to the existing program are?

My guess is it grandfathers those "Dreamers" already here (those with no criminal record), leverages that to get his 1.6 BB for the wall that has been on the books since something like 2006, to get that started in actual construction.

Says once we do those two things, can verify the border is "secure" (mostly, it'll never be 100%, of course) we'll tackle the rest of immigration reform.

But ,we'll see.

Awesome.

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(08-31-2017 05:03 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I think this is a mistake by the President. A PR disaster so it is stupid politically. I also think these kids are innocent they did not sneak into the country. I loathe open borders and illegal immigration.. But this is just wrong.

wgaf if it is a "disaster politically"? I didn't vote for politics as usual.

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(08-31-2017 05:03 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I think this is a mistake by the President. A PR disaster so it is stupid politically. I also think these kids are innocent they did not sneak into the country. I loathe open borders and illegal immigration.. But this is just wrong.

My guess is those that have met requirements will get to stay and this path to citizenship won't be there anymore. The toughest call will be what to do with those in the pipeline that have completeted some---but not all thier steps to citizenship.

Other than the ones who have completed military service and/or have proven they can be solid contributing to US society people, ship them back. The parents are the ones to blame.


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(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

(09-01-2017 08:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

I hate the term "dreamers" such a manipulative title. I do not want "dreamers" to be able to sponsor there parents...

I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong and a political loser...

(09-01-2017 09:50 AM)No Bull Wrote:  I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong

So you believe it's OK that they benefit from criminal behavior? You are also OK if the embezzler's kid keeps the loot? I mean they didn't ask their parent to steal that money.

Quote:and a political loser...

Not really. The people opposed to this didn't vote for him anyway.

(09-01-2017 09:50 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 08:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

I hate the term "dreamers" such a manipulative title. I do not want "dreamers" to be able to sponsor there parents...

I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong and a political loser...

Separating kids form parents is a straw man argument. If you, your wife and kids sneak into Lithuania next week and get caught are you going to demand your kids stay in Lithuania or take them home with you?

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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(09-01-2017 10:37 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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Most of these children were brought hear very you but their parents didn't stick around. These kids were given to sponsors in the United States. I know some people who volunteer at the church where bus loads of children arrive weekly and are sent to live with people who are many times not even related to them.

(09-01-2017 09:50 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 08:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

I hate the term "dreamers" such a manipulative title. I do not want "dreamers" to be able to sponsor there parents...

I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong and a political loser...

I agree with both but as of now kids can eventually sponsor their parents once the kid is 18. Saw it happen with a good friend of mine. He came over years before I met him on a tourist visa and overstayed. Eventually had a kid with a citizen but then they split. He then met and married another wonderful lady that just so happened to have overstayed her visa as well. Well, last year that kid turned 18 and sponsored them. They are both US citizens now. He's a great mechanic that saved my a$$ one time so I'm in his debt. They are both hardworking people that just went about it the wrong way,but it is what it is. Like I said, I'm torn on this whole immigration thing and just wish folks would follow the law like my wife and I did.

(09-01-2017 10:37 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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Doesn't matter. They aren't US citizens thus it's not our problem.

(09-01-2017 10:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:37 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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Doesn't matter. They aren't US citizens thus it's not our problem.

You can take that attitude if you want to but if we start turning people away and say they aren't our problem then we cease to be the country we once were.

(09-01-2017 10:17 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 09:50 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 08:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good. There should be no reward for criminal behavior.

They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

I hate the term "dreamers" such a manipulative title. I do not want "dreamers" to be able to sponsor there parents...

I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong and a political loser...

Separating kids form parents is a straw man argument. If you, your wife and kids sneak into Lithuania next week and get caught are you going to demand your kids stay in Lithuania or take them home with you?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

(09-01-2017 10:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:37 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't care if the kid wasn't directly involved they were still being rewarded for illegal behavior. The three year old child of a money launderer doesn't get to keep the bedroom that was provided by ill-gotten means, these illegal aliens shouldn't either.

But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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Doesn't matter. They aren't US citizens thus it's not our problem.

You can take that attitude if you want to but if we start turning people away and say they aren't our problem then we cease to be the country we once were.

Of course we turn people away.

And we let people in.

It happens every single day.

People have to comply with the law in order to be allowed to enter.

Turning people away is not anti-American.

(09-01-2017 10:51 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:17 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 09:50 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 08:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They were children who came here through no fault of their own. Many of them do not even speak Spanish and would likely have no means of survival in their country of origin.

I'm torn on this but by no means don't think this helps the law breaking parents as well. Not by keeping the family together but by the kids eventually sponsoring the parents.

I hate the term "dreamers" such a manipulative title. I do not want "dreamers" to be able to sponsor there parents...

I do think shipping kids that did not ask to be brought to the county is morally wrong and a political loser...

Separating kids form parents is a straw man argument. If you, your wife and kids sneak into Lithuania next week and get caught are you going to demand your kids stay in Lithuania or take them home with you?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

It depends. What if your country typically kidnaps kids for ransom, forces them to produce or transport drugs, or recruits them as soldiers to fight rival drug gangs?

(09-01-2017 10:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:37 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  But how do you justify sending a kid to a country he has never been to and doesn't even know the language?

Because all they speak with their Spanish speaking parents is English.

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Doesn't matter. They aren't US citizens thus it's not our problem.

You can take that attitude if you want to but if we start turning people away and say they aren't our problem then we cease to be the country we once were.

Of course we turn people away.

And we let people in.

It happens every single day.

People have to comply with the law in order to be allowed to enter.

Turning people away is not anti-American.

We've been turning people away for at least 142 years with the passage of the first legislation regarding immigration, the Page Act of 1875.