I agree in part with NJ Alum. I would much rather see us play in an OOC pre-season or early season tournament than in the CBI or CIT. But, more games and more practice is good overall for the program. I actually think the OOC schedule is fine if we also had a holiday tournament. 13 games with some solid competition would benefit the team significantly. If we are not going to play in a early season tournament, then I think it depends on the individual team for the CBI/CIT. I think the CBI/CIT tourneys are basically a waste and would not be surprised to see them go away completely. But, if they are going to exist, we certainly could use them at least once to gain experience for the following year. I am not a big proponent, but see no harm in trying it once. It is not like we have a lot of tournament experience period to draw on. But, I am excited for the season. I think that this could actually be a special group this year.

(09-01-2017 06:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  One of the arguments against this position made by many is to save the money, and play in an OOC tourney, or spend the money on the OOC schedule, and get some nice OOC home games.

Neither happened this year, last year, or infinity beyond!

100% believe in this. If not a pay-to-play post season tournament (which I'm not a huge fan of), then where do we spend ANY money to truly advance the program and compete at a mid-major level?

The three guarantee games are right on target for this team....challenging, but certainly not demoralizing as another Duke and Louisville would have been.

The Milligan game is on target to keep game legs during exams prior to our TCU game. The Shenandoah game is a head scratcher, unless we found no other options to fill pre-Thanksgiving week. Other than to play a game, it will not help this team's growth, but it seems to be the continued plan to play two DIII games. Would rather one of these be scheduled as an exhibition prior to the first official game.

Having no game scheduled the week after Xmas prior to conference play is OK. Last year was a brutal week with ODU right before the conference started. Hofstra, also, has that week off to prepare for our game. I hope we will market that opener well to bring out support during a holiday weekend.

Except for the Shenandoah game, this is a much more consistent OOC schedule with regard to competition level which is important. Last year was a schedule of extremes.

Long overdue to plan and get in a Nov/Dec tournament.

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(09-01-2017 08:47 AM)WM_Destro Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 06:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  One of the arguments against this position made by many is to save the money, and play in an OOC tourney, or spend the money on the OOC schedule, and get some nice OOC home games.

Neither happened this year, last year, or infinity beyond!

100% believe in this. If not a pay-to-play post season tournament (which I'm not a huge fan of), then where do we spend ANY money to truly advance the program and compete at a mid-major level?

Limited dollars could/should be spent on recruiting budget, indoor practice facility, summer school endowment, preseason tournament, and/or assistant coach salaries before we allocate to a post season tournament. Not opposed to third tier post season play, but see limited value to the following season's squad and see more pressing needs. This is not a defense of the athletic department or current support level, but until more funding is available these post season events would be a poor allocation of limited funds IMO.

What ever happened to $$$ given to W&M by Kaplan? I thought that money was for men's basketball team. Maybe not.

I suppose the top priority is indoor practice facility. I wonder if the athletics department is pushing for this hard.

By the way, I did a little research. Milligan is not DIII--they are in the NAIA. They have an undergraduate enrollment of 892. Yep, 892 students from which they field an NAIA basketball team. An NAIA team that looks like it is becoming a regular opponent on our home schedule.

I think everyone knows how much I love this program and how much I want it to succeed. I will support them at every turn--with my attendance, with my donations, and with my acclamations. I just don't see how this schedule is representative of the program we strive to be.

And, our lower home competition this year is not an anomaly. And, it's not because we have a young team that needs experience. This has been our standard level of OOC home games the past few years. We have to do better.

This OoC Schedule is not exactly "For The Bold"

What you do speaks so loudly I can't hear what you say ......

This OoC is horse pucky, not "For the Bold" as NT says. We're all disappointed with 2 non D1 opponents.

I'm pretty sure it's not what the coaches or team want either. This is an institutional problem that runs much deeper. How do we fix it?

The type of creative mid-major conference actions that the CAA needs to get out in front on:
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/rothst...-2019/amp/

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I don't think it's a CAA problem; it is a W&M problem.

It is my understanding that The Kaplan funds went to endow the thirteen basketball scholarships.

(09-01-2017 12:46 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  This OoC is horse pucky, not "For the Bold" as NT says. We're all disappointed with 2 non D1 opponents.

I'm pretty sure it's not what the coaches or team want either. This is an institutional problem that runs much deeper. How do we fix it?

I wonder what the change is - I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it seems like we only played like 1 non-D-I game total in Shaver's first 5 years, but now 2/year seems to be the norm. Simply trying to throw in some extra Ws?

(09-01-2017 02:15 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:46 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  This OoC is horse pucky, not "For the Bold" as NT says. We're all disappointed with 2 non D1 opponents.

I'm pretty sure it's not what the coaches or team want either. This is an institutional problem that runs much deeper. How do we fix it?

I wonder what the change is - I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it seems like we only played like 1 non-D-I game total in Shaver's first 5 years, but now 2/year seems to be the norm. Simply trying to throw in some extra Ws?

Maybe extra W's, but I don't think so since the rest of the world doesn't count them.


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(09-01-2017 09:25 AM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 08:47 AM)WM_Destro Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 06:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  One of the arguments against this position made by many is to save the money, and play in an OOC tourney, or spend the money on the OOC schedule, and get some nice OOC home games.

Neither happened this year, last year, or infinity beyond!

100% believe in this. If not a pay-to-play post season tournament (which I'm not a huge fan of), then where do we spend ANY money to truly advance the program and compete at a mid-major level?

Limited dollars could/should be spent on recruiting budget, indoor practice facility, summer school endowment, preseason tournament, and/or assistant coach salaries before we allocate to a post season tournament. Not opposed to third tier post season play, but see limited value to the following season's squad and see more pressing needs. This is not a defense of the athletic department or current support level, but until more funding is available these post season events would be a poor allocation of limited funds IMO.

None of any of that existed on 12/7/77 when the Tribe hosted and beat UNC-Chapel Hill, then ranked #2 in the country.

I'm not talking about hosting UNC-Chapel Hill, but I am talking about hosting other programs.

The rules have changed. We need to use our brains, and limited funds, and use the new rules to the best of our ability.

As a conference, the tournament needs to be pushed back a week, so that an extra Saturday is added to the conference regular season schedule. Having the conference championship on TV is not as important, IMO.

As a conference, the conference needs to expand to 12 schools so that the conference goes to a 22 game schedule, with 5-6 home Saturday games for each school.

Play three pay days away every year. That's 25 games.

Find four schools willing to do home and homes every year, or find two schools willing to do home and away in the same year, and you're done.

This focus on the championship game on TV and the Tribe going to the dance has to stop. That will all take care of itself.

The focus needs to be on the schedule before March, especially the Saturday schedule, and how to make it the most fan-friendly, and program-building.

Here's the Saturday season schedule. The CAA Saturday home schedule is fantastic. More conference teams, and more conference games, would result in more Saturday games. Saturdays in November and December are horrid because other schools call the shots.

11/11 - no game (away at High Pt. night before)
11/18 - at UCF
11/25 - ODU
12/2 - at Savannah
12/9 - at Ohio State
12/16 - no game (Miligan next day)
12/23 - no game (at TCU night before)
12/30 - Hofstra
1/6 - no game (away games night before and day after)
1/13 - Towson
1/20 - at Elon
1/27 - at UNCW
2/3 - Drexel
2/10 - Delaware
2/17 - at N'Eastern
2/24 Charleston
3/3 - CAA
3/10 - no game

The student schedule is the ringer here. No one wants to play in front of sparse crowds in December. The answer. Channel Willie Sutton and go where the money is. Big time props for getting the TCU game. We need a lot more of that. Couple more ideas. Get off our butt and schedule Tnsnksgiving tournaments. Look for someone else to do the schedule. What's with no games during reading periods and exams? We are we so different? Everyone else goes for the money and exposure. Exams can be taken on the road.
All in all this schedule is what we deserve let's make the most of it.

Tony and AD have tried for several years now to have regular home and homes with Richmond and VCU
and both old rivals refuse to do it. I guess it's demeaning for them to now play at W&M. How times have changed.

I get your point about the student schedule, but the program doesn't earn a dime whether the students are there or not, and there other other university constituencies to consider.

Take away TV, and take away the CAA tourney ... Saturday home games need to be the fundamental skeleton for W&M hoops. Attendance is always higher on Saturdays for obvious reasons.

Obviously, I live in New Jersey, but I make the following point for all of those who live 2-3 hours away from the Kap. Unless I come down for a Thanksgiving weekend Saturday game (which I may do), the first home game that is a realistic possibility for me is week seven of the season. I think the program needs at least one home Saturday game in November and December every year against decent opponents ... sort of like an extension of Tribe football Saturdays when many folks travel great distances to catch a football game.

They could even sell a Saturday partial season ticket package!

(09-02-2017 06:07 AM)nj alum Wrote:  They could even sell a Saturday partial season ticket package!

I believe many schools do something like this partial season package, though maybe not Saturday specific. Richmond has like a 4 or 5 game OOC package that gives purchasers an option to buy the Spider home game against VCU.



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TCU picked to finish 3rd in the Big 12 behind Kansas and West Virginia. A good possibility that they will be Top 20, but they didn't crack the USA Today preseason poll.

UCF picked to finish 3rd in the AAC behind Cincinnati and Wichita State, and ahead of SMU and UConn.

OSU projected to finish 10th in the Big 10. As a side note, MSU is a consensus top team and projected to possibly win it all, by many. A great time for Sean Sheldon to be on Izzo's staff.

George Mason picked 10th in the A10.

ODU projected to finish 3rd in the CUSA. Marshall at 8th.

High Point projected at 7th in the Big South.

Hampton projected at 3rd in the MEAC. Savannah St. at 7th.

This is an OOC schedule which doesn't help RPI, but sets up great for this young team to develop and grow confidence, heading into CAA play.

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