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The Rocky Mountain Work Around
I posted a suggestion in the realignment thread on the Big 10 board. There is a work around that would be highly profitable for the Big 10 should they not really want Oklahoma due to academics, or should Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere.

The PAC contract is up 1 year after that of the Big 10. I know Colorado made the move to the PAC, but the Big 10 offers a better academic climate overall (even though their core isn't as solid as the California schools and Washington). And by 2018 the Big 10 will be paying out 14 million more per year than the PAC in TV revenue money.

Why Colorado? For starters the markets are good and the fit with the Big 10 better than some other options. The Buffs would probably be even more competitive in the Big 10 where the top is broad and the bottom is broad and the middle almost non existent. But strategically speaking Colorado may be the key to the Big 10's future. It is THE bridge state to the West Coast, which is why the PAC had an interest in the first place. If Colorado moves to the Big 10 then it opens up not only an alternative and more profitable path to potentially Texas, but it also opens up a path to Utah and from there to all of the West Coast.

It is also important for them to look to Colorado because I do believe the ACC is going to become relatively stable. So their Eastward goals from a decade and a half ago are probably moot.

If the Big 10 took Colorado and Kansas for expansion in the next round that would leave Oklahoma and either Texas, West Virginia, Iowa State, or Oklahoma State as options to take the SEC to 16.

Let's say that the PAC gets with the ESPN program. Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Iowa State may be able to head West. The fifth replacing Colorado could be Colorado State, or U.N.L.V..

The PAC is stronger for the move. The Big 10 is stronger and better positioned for the the move. And the SEC is somewhat stronger for the move.

The ACC can take W.V.U. or Cincinnati, or Connecticut and add N.D..

If the moves happen this way and further consolidation takes place then two equitable leagues could emerge. PAC/B1G and SEC/ACC.

It's an interesting idea to play around with. Colorado is the pivotal state and in a Big 10 / PAC formed league it is the rug that ties the room together. Texas / California / and the Northern Midwest would rest well on that Buffalo hide.

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Now if the PAC chooses not to ally with ESPN and should they remain isolated, and because of the relative stability of the ACC, the Big 10 might well shift its focus West where the money and academics reside. If so here is what could happen should Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland find themselves outliers in a new Big 10 focus to the West:

ACC North: Connecticut, Penn State, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse
ACC Mountain: Louisville, N.C. State, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
ACC Coastal: Boston College, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
ACC South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

SEC East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Alabama, Kentucky Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
SEC North: Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
SEC West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

B1G East: Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
B1G North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
B1G West: Colorado, Nebraska, Oregon, Utah, Washington
B1G West: Arizona, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
(08-28-2017 04:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.

They might be willing to consider it if they know that they are becoming a bridge to those old line PAC schools making the move. And of course the 14 million more per year they would be making.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.
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(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.
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(08-28-2017 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.

Except that our candidates at that point for 15/16 would be G5 teams. Assuming that the networks pay for that Big 12 they wouldn't be okay if we stole OK after.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
(08-28-2017 08:49 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.

Except that our candidates at that point for 15/16 would be G5 teams. Assuming that the networks pay for that Big 12 they wouldn't be okay if we stole OK after.

They would love to let West Virginia go and if we promote a South Florida or E.Carolina then so what. But I really don't think the Big 12 survives period. ESPN wants Texas where they make them more money and that goes for Oklahoma too. A move to 20 that permitted them to keep more old friends would get 'er done.

The real question is what do you do with Arizona State, Oregon State and Washington State. I'm thinking AAC with B.Y.U. and Boise State, and maybe even a few more out west.

If we shrink down to 60 prime schools for the SEC / Big 10 / and ACC, then growing the AAC to 20 and promoting them works just fine. They would be a P conference, but they just wouldn't make as much as the other 3. Therefore they become the buffer and provide us all with OOC games that essentially take the place of G5 games now.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
I like the idea of Colorado and Kansas, just not absorbing the PAC in toto. I like the PAC programs but to play the occasional out-of-conference games against. Technically we're already in three time zones with Nebraska in the fold.
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(08-28-2017 09:36 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I like the idea of Colorado and Kansas, just not absorbing the PAC in toto. I like the PAC programs but to play the occasional out-of-conference games against. Technically we're already in three time zones with Nebraska in the fold.

Yeah, when I was laying it out I couldn't see the SEC taking Arizona so I switched them for Kansas. But with essentially those moves give or take a quibble here or there both conferences come out way ahead. And would you really miss Rutgers and Maryland heading to the ACC? Penn State I concede would be a different matter.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
Osborne mentioned Kansas State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Let's assume those three went to the PAC in a PAC/B1G arrangement to pair up with Colorado instead.
The B1G then adds Missouri for 15 dropping the SEC to 13 teams. The SEC then counters with Oklahoma and Texas (the pair they wanted all along) for 15.
The ACC can add Notre Dame for 15.

When you try to make 16, there is a huge drop off and the pieces don't fit very well. Can any of these possibly pay for themselves?
For 16? BYU (football only) to the PAC.
Oklahoma State/Texas Tech to the SEC.
UConn/West Virginia to the B1G.
UConn/West Virginia/Cincinnati to the ACC
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