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(08-30-2017 03:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.

If the Big 10 grabbed enough of the PAC to move to 24 I can guaran-dang-tee you the SEC won't be holding anything, let alone sticking to 14. And if the Big 10 takes Kansas and/or Oklahoma there won't be a Big 12 left.
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(08-30-2017 03:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.

If the Big 10 grabbed enough of the PAC to move to 24 I can guaran-dang-tee you the SEC won't be holding anything, let alone sticking to 14. And if the Big 10 takes Kansas and/or Oklahoma there won't be a Big 12 left.

Perhaps grabbing the 10ish schools they would likely need to dissolve the ACC? If it's 10: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Leaving out Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College.

West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Alabama, Auburn
North: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke
East: North Carolina St, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida St, Miami
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(08-30-2017 04:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.

If the Big 10 grabbed enough of the PAC to move to 24 I can guaran-dang-tee you the SEC won't be holding anything, let alone sticking to 14. And if the Big 10 takes Kansas and/or Oklahoma there won't be a Big 12 left.

Perhaps grabbing the 10ish schools they would likely need to dissolve the ACC? If it's 10: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Leaving out Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College.

West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Alabama, Auburn
North: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke
East: North Carolina St, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida St, Miami

I'm glad to see you left the correct 4 out. It would be interesting to see what N.D. would do if that ever happened.

But that said the ACC would not be in the weakest position. The Big 12 would be.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
(08-30-2017 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.

If the Big 10 grabbed enough of the PAC to move to 24 I can guaran-dang-tee you the SEC won't be holding anything, let alone sticking to 14. And if the Big 10 takes Kansas and/or Oklahoma there won't be a Big 12 left.

Perhaps grabbing the 10ish schools they would likely need to dissolve the ACC? If it's 10: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Leaving out Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College.

West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Alabama, Auburn
North: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke
East: North Carolina St, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida St, Miami

I'm glad to see you left the correct 4 out. It would be interesting to see what N.D. would do if that ever happened.

But that said the ACC would not be in the weakest position. The Big 12 would be.

The XII would be, for sure. However, if Oklahoma and Kansas went to the B1G, that would leave Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, and West Virginia. Not a stellar line up - not too too horrible - but not ideal by any means.
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(08-30-2017 04:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.

If the Big 10 grabbed enough of the PAC to move to 24 I can guaran-dang-tee you the SEC won't be holding anything, let alone sticking to 14. And if the Big 10 takes Kansas and/or Oklahoma there won't be a Big 12 left.

Perhaps grabbing the 10ish schools they would likely need to dissolve the ACC? If it's 10: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Leaving out Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College.

West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Alabama, Auburn
North: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke
East: North Carolina St, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida St, Miami

I'm glad to see you left the correct 4 out. It would be interesting to see what N.D. would do if that ever happened.

But that said the ACC would not be in the weakest position. The Big 12 would be.

The XII would be, for sure. However, if Oklahoma and Kansas went to the B1G, that would leave Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, and West Virginia. Not a stellar line up - not too too horrible - but not ideal by any means.

I know that is the alignment that Ynot suggested, but quite frankly I don't see Oklahoma headed to the Big 10 with just Kansas. And quite frankly I'm not sure Kansas pays their way into the Big 10 with the California schools heading in. If given the choice of sticking together with the Big 12 schools in a new conference, or splitting off as the only two headed to the Big 10, I think they would choose to stay with their familiar foes and protect KState and OSU.

There are 8 AAU schools in the PAC. I would also think that Arizona might urge the inclusion of Arizona State.

If you go back to the OP you will see the reasons I moved schools where I did.

Of course the simplest way to move to 3 power conferences would be for the PAC to add 8 of the Big 12 schools and for the Big 10 and SEC to both take 6 from the ACC. It by the way is also the most economical move.

Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and either Louisville, West Virginia, or Miami gets the SEC to a very solid regional configuration. Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse give the Big 10 everything they could want in the Northeast to Mid Atlantic.

The PAC gets Texas, Texas Tech, T.C.U., Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State.

Baylor, Boston College, Wake Forest, and two of Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami head to the AAC. The AAC could add B.Y.U. and look to move to 20 and become the 4th P conference.

The PAC is happy. The Big 10 is happy. The SEC is happy. The AAC should be ecstatic, and most of the fans would appreciate the close driving distances for more compact conferences, or divisions. But that plan has been around for over 7 years.
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Everything is changing and fast.
ESPN is not going to allow conferences to get bigger and more powerful. ESPN needs to start controlling costs now. Let's see, MLB controls their top markets with 30 teams, the NFL does it with 32, ESPN just might try college football with 60 in 4 conferences not 3 leagues.
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(08-30-2017 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  Everything is changing and fast.
ESPN is not going to allow conferences to get bigger and more powerful. ESPN needs to start controlling costs now. Let's see, MLB controls their top markets with 30 teams, the NFL does it with 32, ESPN just might try college football with 60 in 4 conferences not 3 leagues.

Okay, you made a statement. How is it that you know what ESPN will or won't allow? Has there been an article expressing this position, or a leak that you've heard? What's the source?
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(08-30-2017 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  Everything is changing and fast.
ESPN is not going to allow conferences to get bigger and more powerful. ESPN needs to start controlling costs now. Let's see, MLB controls their top markets with 30 teams, the NFL does it with 32, ESPN just might try college football with 60 in 4 conferences not 3 leagues.

Okay, you made a statement. How is it that you know what ESPN will or won't allow? Has there been an article expressing this position, or a leak that you've heard? What's the source?

Notre Dame.
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(08-30-2017 08:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  Everything is changing and fast.
ESPN is not going to allow conferences to get bigger and more powerful. ESPN needs to start controlling costs now. Let's see, MLB controls their top markets with 30 teams, the NFL does it with 32, ESPN just might try college football with 60 in 4 conferences not 3 leagues.

Okay, you made a statement. How is it that you know what ESPN will or won't allow? Has there been an article expressing this position, or a leak that you've heard? What's the source?

Notre Dame.

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I think there is one reason why the Big Ten might be open to a merger with the Pac-12, or at least an association: a big FU to the four-letter monster. However, I don't think it'll go that far, if Disney plays their cards right. I think most fans of programs in the SEC/Pac/B1G would prefer playing a SEC/Pac/B1G schedule, even with the recent additions.

At the end of the day, conferences still have the ability to make internal changes. Contracts have a lifespan, so the restrictions placed on the parties involved only last until a particular date is reached. It's just that, so far, conferences have been content with leaving the networks to do the legwork for them, and then do the pomp and circumstance of making a conference change after the economics have already been worked out.
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