(08-27-2017 02:25 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Self-identify. Irish people don't have to, since they're Irish.
Americans who've never been and are hundred-plus years from someone they don't know the name of stepping off the boat calling themselves Irish and acting obnoxious = self-identifying.
I feel like someone who's profession isn't boxing, could make 10 rounds with the "GOAT" did very well. We all saw what happened to Tyson years ago. KO'd in what seemed like 2 seconds. I think if the tables were turned, and Mayweather was headed into the Octagon, the end result would be the complete opposite. I'm sure some of us watched MJ attempt baseball....
(08-27-2017 02:25 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Self-identify. Irish people don't have to, since they're Irish.
Americans who've never been and are hundred-plus years from someone they don't know the name of stepping off the boat calling themselves Irish and acting obnoxious = self-identifying.
You seem triggered, my friend.
I will pray for you.
(This post was last modified: 08-29-2017 02:43 PM by AlonsoWDC.)
(08-27-2017 02:25 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Self-identify. Irish people don't have to, since they're Irish.
Americans who've never been and are hundred-plus years from someone they don't know the name of stepping off the boat calling themselves Irish and acting obnoxious = self-identifying.
Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
(08-29-2017 02:59 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
(08-29-2017 02:59 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
(08-29-2017 02:59 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
Ouch.
So, just for clarification purposes, people who have no current relatives living in the country/continent from which they claim ancestry, are generations and generations removed from that foreign land, have never visited that land, share no cultural behaviors from their foreign ancestry, and have no real idea of what their true foreign lineage is should be precluded from "self-identifying" and be discouraged from using the "foreign land name-American" term?
(08-29-2017 02:59 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
Ouch.
So, just for clarification purposes, people who have no current relatives living in the country/continent from which they claim ancestry, are generations and generations removed from that foreign land, have never visited that land, share no cultural behaviors from their foreign ancestry, and have no real idea of what their true foreign lineage is should be precluded from "self-identifying" and be discouraged from using the "foreign land name-American" term?
I see where you're going, BUT it doesn't apply to african-americans for one simple reason: they didn't choose to come here. Remember the phrase 'there's no turning back?' That applied to my Irish grandparents who came across the Atlantic and went through Ellis Island. They knew the gravity of their decisions and they knew that when they chose to come here.
Otherwise, yeah, I think the rationale stands. How does the 'ruling' classify
Asian-Americans?
(08-29-2017 02:59 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: Memphians ARE Southerners. There's no need for silly affectation there.
A good comparison here would be Ole Miss students from Saint Louis or non-deep south places like DFW and Houston going to Oxford and pretending they're very genteel suth-yun.
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
Ouch.
So, just for clarification purposes, people who have no current relatives living in the country/continent from which they claim ancestry, are generations and generations removed from that foreign land, have never visited that land, share no cultural behaviors from their foreign ancestry, and have no real idea of what their true foreign lineage is should be precluded from "self-identifying" and be discouraged from using the "foreign land name-American" term?
I see where you're going, BUT it doesn't apply to african-americans for one simple reason: they didn't choose to come here. Remember the phrase 'there's no turning back?' That applied to my Irish grandparents who came across the Atlantic and went through Ellis Island. They knew the gravity of their decisions and they knew that when they chose to come here.
Otherwise, yeah, I think the rationale stands. How does the 'ruling' classify
Asian-Americans?
I'm full-blooded Irish on the maternal side, have third cousins living in Dublin, been to Ireland, but don't feel the need to identify with someone who is a great MMA fighter, but who talked himself - and his self-identifying fans - into a $30m payday for a boxing exhibition.
Ouch.
So, just for clarification purposes, people who have no current relatives living in the country/continent from which they claim ancestry, are generations and generations removed from that foreign land, have never visited that land, share no cultural behaviors from their foreign ancestry, and have no real idea of what their true foreign lineage is should be precluded from "self-identifying" and be discouraged from using the "foreign land name-American" term?
I see where you're going, BUT it doesn't apply to african-americans for one simple reason: they didn't choose to come here. Remember the phrase 'there's no turning back?' That applied to my Irish grandparents who came across the Atlantic and went through Ellis Island. They knew the gravity of their decisions and they knew that when they chose to come here.
Otherwise, yeah, I think the rationale stands. How does the 'ruling' classify
Asian-Americans?
The self-identifying stuff is silly. You have to go to great lengths to criticize Irish-Americans while excusing African-Americans. But what's the point? I did go out and had both self identifying African and Irish folks around me. They all had their moments.
As for the fight, it was entertaining. Mayweather won, Conor showed well. Mayweather got the greatest portion of the purse, but he has to thank Conor largely for that. Boxing and Mayweather fans should just be glad that the sport became relevant again for a brief moment.
As for the payout, the $30M and $100M is just the guarantee. Rumor is that PPV set records at $700M. They get a cut of that and the sponsorships. Conor will probably end up with $100M and Floyd with $300M.
(09-01-2017 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: The self-identifying stuff is silly. You have to go to great lengths to criticize Irish-Americans while excusing African-Americans. But what's the point? I did go out and had both self identifying African and Irish folks around me. They all had their moments.
As for the fight, it was entertaining. Mayweather won, Conor showed well. Mayweather got the greatest portion of the purse, but he has to thank Conor largely for that. Boxing and Mayweather fans should just be glad that the sport became relevant again for a brief moment.
As for the payout, the $30M and $100M is just the guarantee. Rumor is that PPV set records at $700M. They get a cut of that and the sponsorships. Conor will probably end up with $100M and Floyd with $300M.
I didn't bring up the African-American thing, Saluki did and I certainly didn't go to great lengths to defend them. Cut me some slack, I'm about as Irish as an Irish-American can be and I think it's pretty pathetic that some of my fellow Irish-Americans who've aren't even Catholic, probably have Ulster roots, don't speak a lick of Gaelic, haven't stepped foot in Ireland ever (and whose parents didn't either), yet when Conor got in the ring said 'yeah, that's MY guy.'
Going to great lengths? These posts cost me all of about 5 minutes - in total.
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