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(08-24-2017 09:41 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:38 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:16 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:10 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I already bought this snowflake a beer once. Believe me, he's even less endearing in person.

did you two get into a fight?

Yeah I smashed a bottle over his hollow head.

what about saloon doors?

It got straight up Road House in there.

Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Where is World B. Free when you need him!!!

(08-24-2017 11:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Media darling? The guy has been destroyed in the media since this happened. I feel like he's been made the exact opposite of a media darling.

He's a borderline starting caliber QB and he isn't on a roster. The reason is the backlash to him taking a knee to stand up for what he perceives (rightly in my opinion) injustice and inequality for African Americans in America. I find it sad that the backlash to that stand would be such that owners will take lesser players on their roster over him.

When you put on a uniform you represent that company... make your stand outside not on the sidelines. If I were an owner I'd fully support your free speech rights but when you're wearing my team's uniform you're reflecting my views. You can use another team for your platform. There's a reason NFL viewership is down and the media's need to highlight everyone of these 'protests' is a big reason.

(08-24-2017 02:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  When you put on a uniform you represent that company... make your stand outside not on the sidelines. If I were an owner I'd fully support your free speech rights but when you're wearing my team's uniform you're reflecting my views. You can use another team for your platform. There's a reason NFL viewership is down and the media's need to highlight everyone of these 'protests' is a big reason.

Not to change the topic completely, but what viewership is not down? TV is more diversified in what people watch. People are cutting the cord, people are streaming. I suspect NFL viewership being down (though still incredibly strong) has more to do with that than a QB taking a knee for the national anthem.

(08-24-2017 01:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 11:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Media darling? The guy has been destroyed in the media since this happened. I feel like he's been made the exact opposite of a media darling.

He's a borderline starting caliber QB and he isn't on a roster. The reason is the backlash to him taking a knee to stand up for what he perceives (rightly in my opinion) injustice and inequality for African Americans in America. I find it sad that the backlash to that stand would be such that owners will take lesser players on their roster over him.

Welcome to Hobby Lobby, Chic-Fila and certain Bakers world. Why no defense for these companies that were standing up for their beliefs?

Kaepernick has chosen a civil way to be disrespectful. He probably should have started with Respect 1st Tony Kornheiser was making the point about 12 Browns players kneeling that, because the NFL is 75% African American, the issue has moved to teammates supporting others with regards to race. The NFL averages around 25M for their Sunday afternoon viewings of games...I saw one website say there was 25M living veterans and another site say 22M living veterans. If the paying / viewing population feels you are being disrespectful, the product will fall...how far are NFL owners willing to see negative backlash go?

Look at this letter below to Goodell...I have family members who have served who have a similar viewpoint as below. One family member said he watched the least amount of NFL games last year and didn't miss it a bit. That is scary for NFL owners when $$$ talks.

Quote:Commissioner,

I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium.

I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.

Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.

Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were!

You are complicit in this!

You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?

Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applaud those who have not.

Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles.

They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don’t do it for an hour on Sunday. They do it 24/7 often with lead, not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don’t even have ice! Many don’t have legs or arms.

Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.

I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!

Time to change the channel.

Col Jeffrey A Powers USMC (Ret)

Vista, California

https://www.truthorfiction.com/marine-co...missioner/

(08-24-2017 02:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 02:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  When you put on a uniform you represent that company... make your stand outside not on the sidelines. If I were an owner I'd fully support your free speech rights but when you're wearing my team's uniform you're reflecting my views. You can use another team for your platform. There's a reason NFL viewership is down and the media's need to highlight everyone of these 'protests' is a big reason.

Not to change the topic completely, but what viewership is not down? TV is more diversified in what people watch. People are cutting the cord, people are streaming. I suspect NFL viewership being down (though still incredibly strong) has more to do with that than a QB taking a knee for the national anthem.

Game of Thrones

Senior ~ GREAT letter! Thanks for sharing that viewpoint.

(08-24-2017 02:42 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 01:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 11:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Media darling? The guy has been destroyed in the media since this happened. I feel like he's been made the exact opposite of a media darling.

He's a borderline starting caliber QB and he isn't on a roster. The reason is the backlash to him taking a knee to stand up for what he perceives (rightly in my opinion) injustice and inequality for African Americans in America. I find it sad that the backlash to that stand would be such that owners will take lesser players on their roster over him.

Welcome to Hobby Lobby, Chic-Fila and certain Bakers world. Why no defense for these companies that were standing up for their beliefs?

I guess this depends what you mean by it. I will defend to the death private business's or individual people's freedom to say and believe anything they want. That does not mean I will support or not speak out when I find their belief morally repugnant and their policy of discrimination intolerable.

Every Nazi in this country is allowed to say what they believe in, but it saddens me that there are still so many and their actions get defended. It's not a matter of what they are legally allowed to do, we are free to repudiate the hateful beliefs and chastise the beliefs and stand in opposition united against said beliefs.

Belief and words are legal and should be protected against government intrusion at all costs (though the public does not have to accept nor stand for it),,, When belief leads to discriminatory practice, when it leads to actions against good, law abiding citizens, it becomes something else.

(08-24-2017 02:50 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  Kaepernick has chosen a civil way to be disrespectful. He probably should have started with Respect 1st Tony Kornheiser was making the point about 12 Browns players kneeling that, because the NFL is 75% African American, the issue has moved to teammates supporting others with regards to race. The NFL averages around 25M for their Sunday afternoon viewings of games...I saw one website say there was 25M living veterans and another site say 22M living veterans. If the paying / viewing population feels you are being disrespectful, the product will fall...how far are NFL owners willing to see negative backlash go?

Look at this letter below to Goodell...I have family members who have served who have a similar viewpoint as below. One family member said he watched the least amount of NFL games last year and didn't miss it a bit. That is scary for NFL owners when $$$ talks.

Quote:Commissioner,

I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium.

I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.

Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.

Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were!

You are complicit in this!

You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?

Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applaud those who have not.

Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles.

They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don’t do it for an hour on Sunday. They do it 24/7 often with lead, not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don’t even have ice! Many don’t have legs or arms.

Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.

I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!

Time to change the channel.

Col Jeffrey A Powers USMC (Ret)

Vista, California

https://www.truthorfiction.com/marine-co...missioner/

So again... Why is kneeling so offensive to what they fought for, but so many of the same people are celebrating traitors who literally fought against the United States, fought against American soldiers, killed American soldiers?

It makes no sense to me how people can condemn peaceful protest and stand up for keeping confederate monuments in the same breath...

Kap is using his platform to fight against injustice, not be killing soldiers, not by hurting anyone. He's trying to say that America needs to be better to African Americans, that too often they aren't equal.

These confederates were literally killing American soldiers, fighting to keep black men and women in chains. To me the fact that they are honored seems far more offensive to men and women who have served this country.

(08-24-2017 03:05 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 02:42 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 01:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 11:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Media darling? The guy has been destroyed in the media since this happened. I feel like he's been made the exact opposite of a media darling.

He's a borderline starting caliber QB and he isn't on a roster. The reason is the backlash to him taking a knee to stand up for what he perceives (rightly in my opinion) injustice and inequality for African Americans in America. I find it sad that the backlash to that stand would be such that owners will take lesser players on their roster over him.

Welcome to Hobby Lobby, Chic-Fila and certain Bakers world. Why no defense for these companies that were standing up for their beliefs?

I guess this depends what you mean by it. I will defend to the death private business's or individual people's freedom to say and believe anything they want. That does not mean I will support or not speak out when I find their belief morally repugnant and their policy of discrimination intolerable.

Every Nazi in this country is allowed to say what they believe in, but it saddens me that there are still so many and their actions get defended. It's not a matter of what they are legally allowed to do, we are free to repudiate the hateful beliefs and chastise the beliefs and stand in opposition united against said beliefs.

Belief and words are legal and should be protected against government intrusion at all costs (though the public does not have to accept nor stand for it),,, When belief leads to discriminatory practice, when it leads to actions against good, law abiding citizens, it becomes something else.

Mark- No one on this thread has ever defended the Nazi trash that was demonstrating in VA. They do have their right to free speech even though it's garbage and has no place in this world, but they have that right.

The KKK, Neo-Nazi and the far right whack jobs have been around for a long time (at least the last 8 years), but it's just now everyone has their panties wadded up because we have Trump in the office and now he's all of sudden turned into a racist since he's a Repub. These same statues stood in the same places all through the Obama years, but they were never taken down or vandalized or frankly ever discussed. Why is that?

(08-24-2017 03:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So again... Why is kneeling so offensive to what they fought for, but so many of the same people are celebrating traitors who literally fought against the United States, fought against American soldiers, killed American soldiers?

It makes no sense to me how people can condemn peaceful protest and stand up for keeping confederate monuments in the same breath...

Kap is using his platform to fight against injustice, not be killing soldiers, not by hurting anyone. He's trying to say that America needs to be better to African Americans, that too often they aren't equal.

These confederates were literally killing American soldiers, fighting to keep black men and women in chains. To me the fact that they are honored seems far more offensive to men and women who have served this country.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Racism has been and will always be evil. Some of the worst things that have happened to me have also shaped me...I would never erase those hurts from memory and then potentially make the same mistakes again. One bad event is enough...the media "DRUMMING UP" these conflicts are turning sparks into wildfires and making it seem IMHO that there are "so many" bad apples.

(08-24-2017 03:16 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  Mark- No one on this thread has ever defended the Nazi trash that was demonstrating in VA. They do have their right to free speech even though it's garbage and has no place in this world, but they have that right.

The KKK, Neo-Nazi and the far right whack jobs have been around for a long time (at least the last 8 years), but it's just now everyone has their panties wadded up because we have Trump in the office and now he's all of sudden turned into a racist since he's a Repub. These same statues stood in the same places all through the Obama years, but they were never taken down or vandalized or frankly ever discussed. Why is that?

I used Nazi in this answer because it is an extreme example (though relevant to recent news). My point is I can defend their right to speak and I can speak out against their speech and demonstration at the same time. My point isn't that people can't have a backlash against Kap kneeling. My point is that backlash is driven more by race than people admit. We accept and defend racist traitors who killed American soldiers fighting to keep slavery and at the same time condemn a young black man for kneeling during the anthem. Our treatment of those dead white confederates vs. our treatment of a young black man speaks a lot to how far we have to go still.

I don't want to make this a Trump thread, but BTW Trump is not racist because he is a republican, Trump is racist because he says a US Judge can't be impartial because of his Mexican Heritage. He says Mexicans are rapists and murderers and ran his campaign basically blaming them for society ills. He is racist because he is quick to condemn all Muslims for the acts of Muslim terrorists, but when white conservative terrorism occurs he blames all sides and doesn't call it terrorism. He is racist because he attacks a gold star soldier's father saying his wife didn't speak because he wouldn't let her. He is racist because he made his political name leading the cynically racist birther movement, even going so far as to say he had proof President Obama wasn't born in America. The man is an embarrassment to this great nation. As someone who has voted for candidates in both major parties (Portman and Kasich recently) it's insane to me that anyone thinks the Trump hate is about him being republican and not the insane, racist, ridiculous things he says and does.

(08-24-2017 03:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Kap is using his platform to fight against injustice, not be killing soldiers, not by hurting anyone. He's trying to say that America needs to be better to African Americans, that too often they aren't equal.

Actually because of his stance he no longer has that platform. I have no issue with the choice he made as long as he's willing to accept the consequences. I just think it's silly in a sport where you don't have a long time to make your money to give teams a reason not to hire you. Of course I'm sure when he realizes he gave away probably another 5 years and $15 million being a backup QB that his commrads over at the four letter network will be happy to give him a new platform.

As I said earlier, I really have no problem with taking the statues down, if that is what the majority of Americans want, which polls aren't showing now.

Second, I find it interesting taking down the statues that were put up coinciding with Jim Crow (enacted by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures in the late 19th century after the Reconstruction period).

(08-24-2017 03:05 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 02:42 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 01:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 11:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kaepernick made his bed. Is he one of the top 50 QBs in the world. Yes, without question. However to be a guy who's an unquestionable starting QB you're usually talking about 16-20 of those guys and he's nowhere near that group. He's a marginal starter/backup type. His style makes him a less than ideal backup for a lot of teams with pocket oriented QBs and his self inflicted controversy makes him a parriah for some teams he may fit on. If you're Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers you can afford to be controversial. A team is not going to subject themselves to a high profile controversial player with marginal ability. But he made himself into an ESP(cn)N darling. Maybe they'll give him his own show to spread his message.

Media darling? The guy has been destroyed in the media since this happened. I feel like he's been made the exact opposite of a media darling.

He's a borderline starting caliber QB and he isn't on a roster. The reason is the backlash to him taking a knee to stand up for what he perceives (rightly in my opinion) injustice and inequality for African Americans in America. I find it sad that the backlash to that stand would be such that owners will take lesser players on their roster over him.

Welcome to Hobby Lobby, Chic-Fila and certain Bakers world. Why no defense for these companies that were standing up for their beliefs?

I guess this depends what you mean by it. I will defend to the death private business's or individual people's freedom to say and believe anything they want. That does not mean I will support or not speak out when I find their belief morally repugnant and their policy of discrimination intolerable.

Every Nazi in this country is allowed to say what they believe in, but it saddens me that there are still so many and their actions get defended. It's not a matter of what they are legally allowed to do, we are free to repudiate the hateful beliefs and chastise the beliefs and stand in opposition united against said beliefs.

Belief and words are legal and should be protected against government intrusion at all costs (though the public does not have to accept nor stand for it),,, When belief leads to discriminatory practice, when it leads to actions against good, law abiding citizens, it becomes something else.

The concentration camps are Democrat run Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit.

Why is kneeling for the national anthem considered so disrespectful to soldiers? Are the national anthem and American flag only symbols of our military? Seems to me they represent much more than that.

(08-24-2017 06:37 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Why is kneeling for the national anthem considered so disrespectful to soldiers? Are the national anthem and American flag only symbols of our military? Seems to me they represent much more than that.

Cap and others do it for attention. Cap's SJW GF is behind all of it. Cap has no original thought process. When you are making 17 Million a year it seems non legit.

This is why the GOP is dominating in the USA.