(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 09:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The SBC I think is likely to have an opening.

The SBC is becoming more regional for JMU with the Georgia schools, App and Coastal. That would be their division in a 10 team SBC.

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Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

(08-22-2017 06:47 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 06:07 PM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  What if the MAC lost Toledo or Western Michigan? They would be needing EMU more at that point.

Where are Toledo and Western Michigan going?

I could see the American being interested in Toledo should Cincinnati depart, but Akron, Miami, and Ohio may be just as viable. If the American takes two from the MAC, I would expect Northern Illinois to go before Western Michigan simply for the market grab. NIU would also likely be of more interest to Wichita State as well because the geography resembles Wichita State's former conference, the MVC.

Of course the American could simply exit the Midwest entirely, in which case the MAC is safe, or at worst loses Buffalo. SMU or Houston will be replaced by another school in Texas to placate Navy. The AAC would likely add FAU and/or FIU to maintain a presence in Florida.
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I would disagree. If Cincinnati were to find an escape, a Toledo or WMU is a huge outlier. Now if someone else left, then someone vaguely in Cincinnati's neighborhood is more logical.

(08-21-2017 04:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU will go FBS soon, according to their coach Matt Houston. Won't be to the Sun Belt, but they are obviously gunning for CUSA or the AAC, but the MAC would be acceptable. Think FBS independence might be possible too, especially if more CAA schools make the jump. JMU wants CAA type schools academically, and that's what holding them from going to the Sun Belt. Even staying in the CAA but playing Liberty, EKU, and Jax St would probably meet their admins academic requirements, if a CUSA or AAC bid can reasonably be expectedly later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...560269001/

This is like the ugly fat girl at the bar who wants to date an NBA player.

(08-23-2017 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 09:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The SBC I think is likely to have an opening.

The SBC is becoming more regional for JMU with the Georgia schools, App and Coastal. That would be their division in a 10 team SBC.

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Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

It is really time for the SBC and CUSA to separate and regionalize into Western & Eastern based conferences.

SBC

Ark State, MTSU, WKU, UAB, LA Tech, N. Texas, S. Miss, USA, Louisiana, Rice, TX State, UTSA

CUSA

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU, Troy, USA, CCU - add JMU

(08-23-2017 08:37 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 09:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The SBC I think is likely to have an opening.

The SBC is becoming more regional for JMU with the Georgia schools, App and Coastal. That would be their division in a 10 team SBC.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using CSNbbs mobile app

Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

It is really time for the SBC and CUSA to separate and regionalize into Western & Eastern based conferences.

SBC

Ark State, MTSU, WKU, UAB, LA Tech, N. Texas, S. Miss, USA, Louisiana, Rice, TX State, UTSA

CUSA

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU, Troy, USA, CCU - add JMU

You left out ULM, UALR, UTA, and UTEP. Also is USA going to pull double duty and be a member of both.

(08-23-2017 08:37 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 09:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The SBC I think is likely to have an opening.

The SBC is becoming more regional for JMU with the Georgia schools, App and Coastal. That would be their division in a 10 team SBC.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using CSNbbs mobile app

Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

It is really time for the SBC and CUSA to separate and regionalize into Western & Eastern based conferences.

SBC

Ark State, MTSU, WKU, UAB, LA Tech, N. Texas, S. Miss, USA, Louisiana, Rice, TX State, UTSA

CUSA

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU, Troy, USA, CCU - add JMU

Which conference do you want USA in?

(08-22-2017 07:10 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  arkstfan, by 2024 that courting period will be over a decade for all the schools in question (well TCU and OK State as tag along schools much less). For Texas and the P12 it goes back to before the formation of the B12. All the leaderships know everything and will have had plenty of time to survey the landscape and make a decision. If anything they need less time than in the past, because so many of the old bonds are broken (CU, Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska .. and the scandal make Baylor broken, while TCU and WVU are relatively recent) that there is not a lot of glue left. The lack of digital network and the LHN (not for sale, and not worth the buyout price) means there wont be one -- this is acid eating away at the bonds. So while your argument has some merit, you discount the courting that has been going on and the weakness of the B12.

Houston fans --attackcoog most prominent and overly hopeful fan-- are banking on the improbability that somehow their school will wind up in a conference with Texas again. But it's not happening, not even 1 in 10,000 chance (attackcoog will no doubt take that to mean, "so you're saying I have a chance"). That "pie" comment of his simply means "nah nah nah, I can't hear you." So be it. He needs to believe, let him believe. Come 2024 he will be in complete shock.

I don't see what so improbable about it. If Texas chooses the Pac (but OU does not) and gets to bring three of its neighbors along, Houston could easily be one of those three.

Not generally one to agree with Stugray but I agree with him on this. Houston isn't going to the PAC 12 ever. Ever is a long time, yet I firmly stick with it. ECU has the same chance at getting into the ACC. None. I'm glad we are in the AAC together forever!!

If UT goes to the Pac, isn't it likely they'll have tagalongs? And if OU isn't with them, there could be up to 3 Texas tagalongs. That'd be TT and TCU at least, with the final spot going to Houston over Baylor.

I posted the exact scenario on the SEC Board. An all Texas division is the only solution to a PACN problem. The PAC would have to sell ESPN a percentage, but I see the LHN being converted into the PAC 16 Lone Star Network….

How are Liberty and possibly JMU able to move up to FBS without an invite? If more FCS schools are allowed do this, I definitely see a future FBS split occurring….

(08-23-2017 09:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  How are Liberty and possibly JMU able to move up to FBS without an invite? If more FCS schools are allowed do this, I definitely see a future FBS split occurring….

Liberty were granted a waiver, why? Likely due to threat of a lawsuit. Liberty could not find a league who were interested in them.

JMU is different, they would not go after a Liberty type of waiver. The only way JMU would even think about moving up is if a conference they they wanted, invited them.

(08-23-2017 09:11 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 07:10 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  arkstfan, by 2024 that courting period will be over a decade for all the schools in question (well TCU and OK State as tag along schools much less). For Texas and the P12 it goes back to before the formation of the B12. All the leaderships know everything and will have had plenty of time to survey the landscape and make a decision. If anything they need less time than in the past, because so many of the old bonds are broken (CU, Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska .. and the scandal make Baylor broken, while TCU and WVU are relatively recent) that there is not a lot of glue left. The lack of digital network and the LHN (not for sale, and not worth the buyout price) means there wont be one -- this is acid eating away at the bonds. So while your argument has some merit, you discount the courting that has been going on and the weakness of the B12.

Houston fans --attackcoog most prominent and overly hopeful fan-- are banking on the improbability that somehow their school will wind up in a conference with Texas again. But it's not happening, not even 1 in 10,000 chance (attackcoog will no doubt take that to mean, "so you're saying I have a chance"). That "pie" comment of his simply means "nah nah nah, I can't hear you." So be it. He needs to believe, let him believe. Come 2024 he will be in complete shock.

I don't see what so improbable about it. If Texas chooses the Pac (but OU does not) and gets to bring three of its neighbors along, Houston could easily be one of those three.

Not generally one to agree with Stugray but I agree with him on this. Houston isn't going to the PAC 12 ever. Ever is a long time, yet I firmly stick with it. ECU has the same chance at getting into the ACC. None. I'm glad we are in the AAC together forever!!

If UT goes to the Pac, isn't it likely they'll have tagalongs? And if OU isn't with them, there could be up to 3 Texas tagalongs. That'd be TT and TCU at least, with the final spot going to Houston over Baylor.

I posted the exact scenario on the SEC Board. An all Texas division is the only solution to a PACN problem. The PAC would have to sell ESPN a percentage, but I see the LHN being converted into the PAC 16 Lone Star Network….

If Texas were coaxed into a conference (rather than reacting to an OU move which would result in faster action by UT) I think you hit the spot.

Texas has no reason to want to lose the LHN branding and hard to imagine third tier going up so much they gleefully lose it.

But from an ESPN perspective, there is no incentive to merge LHN into SECN or the wholly owned ACCN once it launches (unless it is done as a ploy to up ACCN carriage quickly).

BTN to get enough equity to make it worthwhile, Fox and B1G would both have to give up equity. Not sure a third ownership is worth it.

No the best financial deal for ESPN is to see Texas in the Pac-12 uh 16 or 18. The Pac-12 has 100% of their network, LHN would boost the carriage numbers and ESPN would likely be able to boost overall carriage to make it well worth P12's time to give up some equity.

Rebranding LHN as Pac Network Texas is not as good for UT as LHN but it is superior to merely being on BTN or SECN, or ACCN.

The sticky part is to make the time zone and travel situation workable, they really need three others with them.

(08-23-2017 08:58 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:37 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 09:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The SBC I think is likely to have an opening.

The SBC is becoming more regional for JMU with the Georgia schools, App and Coastal. That would be their division in a 10 team SBC.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using CSNbbs mobile app

Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

It is really time for the SBC and CUSA to separate and regionalize into Western & Eastern based conferences.

SBC

Ark State, MTSU, WKU, UAB, LA Tech, N. Texas, S. Miss, USA, Louisiana, Rice, TX State, UTSA

CUSA

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU, Troy, USA, CCU - add JMU

You left out ULM, UALR, UTA, and UTEP. Also is USA going to pull double duty and be a member of both.

Geographic proximity is not really sufficient incentive for C-USA and the Sun Belt to exchange teams like this, but here's how it could be done while including JMU:

C-USA
East: Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
West: Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Little Rock, UT Arlington

Sun Belt
East: Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, James Madison, Marshall, Old Dominion
West: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky

I kept C-USA as the western conference because I doubt they'll want to ditch all of their Texas teams. Also, ULM gets left out.

You could split the Sun Belt North/South, but I was trying to keep the NC schools together, WKU/MTSU together, and App State with GA Southern.

(08-23-2017 09:28 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:58 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:37 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Who is leaving the Belt and where are they going?

Here's a nasty problem for JMU. The most likely team to leave the Belt (Texas State) would require that teams switch divisions or the Belt replace a team from the West with a team from the West. I suppose they could move Troy to the West and add JMU.

The Belt is reasonably happy now at 10 teams for the time being.

TXST leaving (which seems unlikely given CUSA is too large) and replacing with JMU actually fixes the 10 team division format by moving Troy to the west joining USA.

It is really time for the SBC and CUSA to separate and regionalize into Western & Eastern based conferences.

SBC

Ark State, MTSU, WKU, UAB, LA Tech, N. Texas, S. Miss, USA, Louisiana, Rice, TX State, UTSA

CUSA

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, GA State, GA Southern, FIU, FAU, Troy, USA, CCU - add JMU

You left out ULM, UALR, UTA, and UTEP. Also is USA going to pull double duty and be a member of both.

Geographic proximity is not really sufficient incentive for C-USA and the Sun Belt to exchange teams like this, but here's how it could be done while including JMU:

C-USA
East: Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
West: Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Little Rock, UT Arlington

Sun Belt
East: Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, James Madison, Marshall, Old Dominion
West: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky

I kept C-USA as the western conference because I doubt they'll want to ditch all of their Texas teams. Also, ULM gets left out.

You could split the Sun Belt North/South, but I was trying to keep the NC schools together, WKU/MTSU together, and App State with GA Southern.

That alignment might work, but let me suggest perhaps a better divisional setup. If UTEP is in, I would want to bring in NMSU for a travel partner. I would make CUSA an All Sports conference, so UTA and UALR would not be members. This would be the current setup with members, excluding ULM. If James Madison wants to join the SBC, they would need a partner, perhaps Liberty.

CUSA
West - UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, TX State, Rice, UNT
East - Louisiana, S. Miss, S. Alabama, Troy, LA Tech, Ark State

SBC
North - Marshall, MTSU, WKU, ODU, Charlotte, App State
South - GA Southern, GA State, CCU, UAB, FIU, FAU

(08-23-2017 08:24 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 04:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU will go FBS soon, according to their coach Matt Houston. Won't be to the Sun Belt, but they are obviously gunning for CUSA or the AAC, but the MAC would be acceptable. Think FBS independence might be possible too, especially if more CAA schools make the jump. JMU wants CAA type schools academically, and that's what holding them from going to the Sun Belt. Even staying in the CAA but playing Liberty, EKU, and Jax St would probably meet their admins academic requirements, if a CUSA or AAC bid can reasonably be expectedly later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...560269001/

This is like the ugly fat girl at the bar who wants to date an NBA player.

Well, good thing girls like that are around or else we'd be deprived of little urchins like you pecking away at your keyboard with such farcical nonsense wouldn't we?

JMU should have moved up years ago but momentum was lost due to impotent leadership. With the right leaders we'd have a number of options. Not sure if our current admin ever comes around but until they do, or until our BOV hires a national-minded president, we're stuck.

(08-23-2017 08:24 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 04:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU will go FBS soon, according to their coach Matt Houston. Won't be to the Sun Belt, but they are obviously gunning for CUSA or the AAC, but the MAC would be acceptable. Think FBS independence might be possible too, especially if more CAA schools make the jump. JMU wants CAA type schools academically, and that's what holding them from going to the Sun Belt. Even staying in the CAA but playing Liberty, EKU, and Jax St would probably meet their admins academic requirements, if a CUSA or AAC bid can reasonably be expectedly later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...560269001/

This is like the ugly fat girl at the bar who wants to date an NBA player.

Not really, James Madison is a solid overall school and program. They could be an AAC caliber program but it will take some time. Their problem is they think they're too good to take their lumps and grow in a conference like the Sun Belt which isn't ideal but is a start. If they wanted FBS badly enough, they could have worked a deal to get in there with a trial membership that could have released them as an independent shortly thereafter.

(08-23-2017 12:40 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:24 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 04:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU will go FBS soon, according to their coach Matt Houston. Won't be to the Sun Belt, but they are obviously gunning for CUSA or the AAC, but the MAC would be acceptable. Think FBS independence might be possible too, especially if more CAA schools make the jump. JMU wants CAA type schools academically, and that's what holding them from going to the Sun Belt. Even staying in the CAA but playing Liberty, EKU, and Jax St would probably meet their admins academic requirements, if a CUSA or AAC bid can reasonably be expectedly later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...560269001/

This is like the ugly fat girl at the bar who wants to date an NBA player.

Not really, James Madison is a solid overall school and program. They could be an AAC caliber program but it will take some time. Their problem is they think they're too good to take their lumps and grow in a conference like the Sun Belt which isn't ideal but is a start. If they wanted FBS badly enough, they could have worked a deal to get in there with a trial membership that could have released them as an independent shortly thereafter.

You grossly over-estimate the value of JMU to the Sun Belt. They want membership on trial basis with no entry fee or departure fee they can call CUSA.

(08-22-2017 04:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  arkstfan, by 2024 that courting period will be over a decade for all the schools in question (well TCU and OK State as tag along schools much less). For Texas and the P12 it goes back to before the formation of the B12. All the leaderships know everything and will have had plenty of time to survey the landscape and make a decision. If anything they need less time than in the past, because so many of the old bonds are broken (CU, Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska .. and the scandal make Baylor broken, while TCU and WVU are relatively recent) that there is not a lot of glue left. The lack of digital network and the LHN (not for sale, and not worth the buyout price) means there wont be one -- this is acid eating away at the bonds. So while your argument has some merit, you discount the courting that has been going on and the weakness of the B12.

Houston fans --attackcoog most prominent and overly hopeful fan-- are banking on the improbability that somehow their school will wind up in a conference with Texas again. But it's not happening, not even 1 in 10,000 chance (attackcoog will no doubt take that to mean, "so you're saying I have a chance"). That "pie" comment of his simply means "nah nah nah, I can't hear you." So be it. He needs to believe, let him believe. Come 2024 he will be in complete shock.

Im not sure where you are getting this from anything Ive said. What I just said is its a good possibility Texas and Oklahoma both stay put in 2024, the Big12 survives, and the conference does NOTHING but sign a big new deal (and by "nothing"---I mean they add nobody). The only way Houston gets in the Big12 is if Oklahoma and Texas leave---then, Houston has an excellent chance of being part of whatever diminished new form the Big12 takes. I frankly dont see it as likely Houston will ever be in a conference with UT again (at least not in my lifetime).

(08-23-2017 11:30 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  CUSA
West - UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, TX State, Rice, UNT
East - Louisiana, S. Miss, S. Alabama, Troy, LA Tech, Ark State

SBC
North - Marshall, MTSU, WKU, ODU, Charlotte, App State
South - GA Southern, GA State, CCU, UAB, FIU, FAU

Since UTEP is already present, NMSU offers very little beyond serving as a travel partner. UTEP doesn't have one now and is in a conference which stretches to southern Florida and Hampton Roads.

(08-23-2017 12:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  You grossly over-estimate the value of JMU to the Sun Belt. They want membership on trial basis with no entry fee or departure fee they can call CUSA.

JMU is better than everyone in the Sun Belt except maybe Georgia and Texas State, at least as an overall package. They should be welcomed with open arms, burned bridges notwithstanding.

(08-22-2017 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 04:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  arkstfan, by 2024 that courting period will be over a decade for all the schools in question (well TCU and OK State as tag along schools much less). For Texas and the P12 it goes back to before the formation of the B12. All the leaderships know everything and will have had plenty of time to survey the landscape and make a decision. If anything they need less time than in the past, because so many of the old bonds are broken (CU, Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska .. and the scandal make Baylor broken, while TCU and WVU are relatively recent) that there is not a lot of glue left. The lack of digital network and the LHN (not for sale, and not worth the buyout price) means there wont be one -- this is acid eating away at the bonds. So while your argument has some merit, you discount the courting that has been going on and the weakness of the B12.

Houston fans --attackcoog most prominent and overly hopeful fan-- are banking on the improbability that somehow their school will wind up in a conference with Texas again. But it's not happening, not even 1 in 10,000 chance (attackcoog will no doubt take that to mean, "so you're saying I have a chance"). That "pie" comment of his simply means "nah nah nah, I can't hear you." So be it. He needs to believe, let him believe. Come 2024 he will be in complete shock.

I don't see what so improbable about it. If Texas chooses the Pac (but OU does not) and gets to bring three of its neighbors along, Houston could easily be one of those three.

Not generally one to agree with Stugray but I agree with him on this. Houston isn't going to the PAC 12 ever. Ever is a long time, yet I firmly stick with it. ECU has the same chance at getting into the ACC. None. I'm glad we are in the AAC together forever!!

Stugray was discussing the Big12 I believe. You and I disagree on this---but whats the fun in a bulletin board if everyone agrees?

I think we become very attractive to where ever UT does not go. If UT leaves the Big12 for the Pac12, UH become attractive to the Big12. If UT stays put in the Big12---we suddenly become very attractive to the Pac12---who needs to get into the Texas market in order to get its network to perform like the other conference networks.

In the final analysis---I just dont think west coast games that end after midnight, all that travel (putting their athletes at a disadvantage), and the becoming invisible to the east coast is going to be something UT ultimately wants to do. Not to mention, any other conference is going to demand that UT divest itself of the Longhorn Network. UT always does whats best for UT--in the final analysis--I think that UT and Oklahoma will both stay in the Big12. That may ultimately require some sort of revenue concessions from the other members---but they will gladly do that rather than suffer the fate of becoming members of the new "G6".