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Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
From its chapel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/duke...cc855df9f9

Given that the school was named for Washington Duke, who owned slaves and fought in the confederacy for Lee, shouldn't Duke change its name too? Or at least take down the Washington Duke statue?

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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
A couple of years ago the President allowed for the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast from their "Christian" bell tower. Some big donors nixed that pretty fast. Of course they wont change the name of the university.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
But what if it's offensive?
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
Somebody defaced it first.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 01:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 01:29 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  From its chapel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/duke...cc855df9f9

Given that the school was named for Washington Duke, who owned slaves and fought in the confederacy for Lee, shouldn't Duke change its name too? Or at least take down the Washington Duke statue?

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Did he take up arms against the United States?
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"It is known that Duke owned one enslaved person, named Caroline, whom he purchased for $601..."

So, Duke literally owned Carolin(a).
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
I'll take their movement seriously when I see liberal academia lead the way. A good place to start is Duke and the UNC "confederate Tar Heels".

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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 01:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
UNC "Tar Heels" name and "Duke" must go. I sttill can't believe the most liberal school in NC uses the name Tar Heels.

North Carolina was nicknamed the "Tar and Turpentine State" because of this industry. Somehow, these terms evolved until the nickname Tar Heel was used to refer to residents of North Carolina and gained prominence during the American Civil War.

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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 02:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 01:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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Doesn't matter if the descendants don't approve the change. It might have been a condition of the original gift.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 01:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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Doesn't matter if the descendants don't approve the change. It might have been a condition of the original gift.
Lol, you act as if there are any unchangeables in this country. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will ultomately be hooked off the stage. You think Mr. Duke is more special than them?

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(08-19-2017 03:53 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  UNC "Tar Heels" name and "Duke" must go. I sttill can't believe the most liberal school in NC uses the name Tar Heels.

North Carolina was nicknamed the "Tar and Turpentine State" because of this industry. Somehow, these terms evolved until the nickname Tar Heel was used to refer to residents of North Carolina and gained prominence during the American Civil War.

[Image: tar_heels.gif]

Tar Heel was very much an insult until a good deal after the Civil War. It wasn't something a North Carolinian would call themselves until the 1870s.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 05:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 01:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Private school doing exactly what its donating alumni want it to do. At some point their donors most likely will want to remove Duke and change the name and they will likely do so.

That is all fine.

What is not so fine are outside orgs with monopoly positions...sich as the NCAA...trying to use their monopoly powers to bully them into doing it.

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Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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Doesn't matter if the descendants don't approve the change. It might have been a condition of the original gift.
Lol, you act as if there are any unchangeables in this country. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will ultomately be hooked off the stage. You think Mr. Duke is more special than them?

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Well if Duke wants to pay the billions back to his descendants...
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
While we're at it, Duke should pay reparations to the family of people that had smoking-related deaths.

Duke got off the ground with tobacco money.
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(08-19-2017 07:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  Given that they changed their name in the 20s to coincide with a gift from Duke's son, it probably would be pretty hard to do.
Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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Doesn't matter if the descendants don't approve the change. It might have been a condition of the original gift.
Lol, you act as if there are any unchangeables in this country. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will ultomately be hooked off the stage. You think Mr. Duke is more special than them?

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Well if Duke wants to pay the billions back to his descendants...
All you gotta do is change the laws so you can change any old racist thing regardless of contract because racist things can't be contracted. Like the old deed covenants. Then the Duke family can go suck it.

You are naive if you think it could not be in the future.



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William Marsh Rice was born in Massachusetts long after slavery had been abolished in that state. He moved to Texas and made his fortune in Houston. Then he became a slave owner. He wrote in his will that Rice University would be for whites only. The first black student didn't attend Rice until 1969.
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RE: Duke removes statue of Robert E Lee
(08-19-2017 07:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 07:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 02:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Not 10 years ago it was hard to find a politician for gay marriage. Now you are a criminal if you aren't in favor. lol. Stuff can change real fast.

If accreditation boards or the NCAA or the state or the grant assigners in Washington decide they want it changed, it'll change.



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Doesn't matter if the descendants don't approve the change. It might have been a condition of the original gift.
Lol, you act as if there are any unchangeables in this country. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will ultomately be hooked off the stage. You think Mr. Duke is more special than them?

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Well if Duke wants to pay the billions back to his descendants...
All you gotta do is change the laws so you can change any old racist thing regardless of contract because racist things can't be contracted. Like the old deed covenants. Then the Duke family can go suck it.

You are naive if you think it could not be in the future.



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I don't know if they put changing the name in as a condition of the gift. But if they did, you're naïve if you think Duke could change it without paying through the nose without agreement from the descendants, no matter what friendly lawmakers did.
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(08-19-2017 10:42 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  William Marsh Rice was born in Massachusetts long after slavery had been abolished in that state. He moved to Texas and made his fortune in Houston. Then he became a slave owner. He wrote in his will that Rice University would be for whites only. The first black student didn't attend Rice until 1969.

But irrelevant to the Duke issue. This isn't a case of the gift requiring Duke to break the law (and again, I don't know if the name change was part of the gift or simply a thanks for the gift).
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