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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-19-2017 05:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.

I would substitute West Virginia in for Notre Dame based on history but Notre Dame would provide the bigger name and match up.

A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT
UMD
RU
08-19-2017 10:46 AM
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT

UMD
RU

If and when any of the bolded schools join the Big Ten, then they can be placed on Penn State's conference schedule. 03-wink
08-19-2017 11:11 AM
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-19-2017 11:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT

UMD
RU

If and when any of the bolded schools join the Big Ten, then they can be placed on Penn State's conference schedule. 03-wink

I doubt most of those schools will ever join the B1G, and I doubt most want to.

I think that the days of bloated conferences are numbered. It doesn't make sense for schools like PSU and Minn to be in the same conference. They have next to nothing in common.

(**I chose Minn because PSU's 1st B1G fb game was against Minn.**)
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten[/B]
Illinois:[/B] Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana:[/B] Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa:[/B] Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland:[/B] Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan:[/B] Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State:[/B] Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota:[/B] Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska:[/B] Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern:[/B] Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State:[/B] Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State:[/B] Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue:[/B] Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers:[/B] Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin:[/B] Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

That's a really solid set up. I'd love for the Big Ten/All conferences to go to this kind of set up. I personally would prefer Michigan State to Michigan but that wouldn't be a deal breaker. It's really a great breakdown.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.

I would substitute West Virginia in for Notre Dame based on history but Notre Dame would provide the bigger name and match up.

A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT
UMD
RU

I think every northeast football fan wishes Penn State, Syracuse, Pitt and WVU were in the same conference and playing every year. They really should find some way to make it a round robin every year even though I know it's impossible.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
I think the AAC could benefit from this. The league doesn't really have two divisions so much as it has smaller clusters.
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Duke, Florida State
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: Clemson, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Virginia
Wake Forest: Boston College, Duke, NC State

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?



Dude - you have way too much time on your hands to come up with something like this that will never, ever, ever, ever happen..
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(08-22-2017 12:01 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Dude - you have way too much time on your hands to come up with something like this that will never, ever, ever, ever happen..

Dude - it's a fun exercise. As I stated, I'm not in favor of abolishing divisions, although it's not nearly as implausible as you think. And while Excel makes creating such lists a breeze, I don't believe I have to justify the use of my time to you.
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(08-19-2017 11:23 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I think the AAC could benefit from this. The league doesn't really have two divisions so much as it has smaller clusters.

The AAC WEST division makes sense - except for Navy - who wants to be there by design.

And how dare you suggest that the ConFLiCT isn't one of the prime AAC rivalry matchups!
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Long ago, it was not at all unusual for a conference to have more members than could play each other in a season. (Southern, SEC, and I think Mo Valley was there as well).

Conference were more of a mini-NCAA providing agreed rules beyond what the NCAA had when the NCAA didn't do much beyond the making of playing rules.

Athletic directors would gather at the conference meetings with a calendar in hand and negotiate their own intra-conference schedules.

If conferences ever grow past the 16-18 range this is the most logical solution or a hybrid of that. Say the league and TV picks 2-4 intra-conference games and the AD's iron out the rest of the schedule on their own. If A and B wish to play each other every year, they can work it out. If A and B don't care if they ever play each other, then if TV and the conference don't pair them, they don't have to play.
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