(08-18-2017 11:13 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

Quote:He promised to defeat ISIS within 30 days with a secret plan.

wait, what? I must have missed THAT one.

Technically, he promised to have a plan ready in 30 days. Not to defeat them in 30 days. That being said, he's on record as saying he could defeat them "quickly". He also said on many occasions that it was wrong make the plan known, so that implies secrecy.

Develop a plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days

I am so surprised and saddened by where this country has gone. This country, and especially those in the progressive left, have moved so far away from the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and common decency. This Board is merely a microcosm of our society minus the uninformed people who are easily swayed by the lies and misrepresentations of pop culture and the media.

Today, it is worse than ever. Instead of having a conversation or debate on the issues, terms like racist, homophobe, sexist, etc are thrown out. You don’t want Confederate statutes taken down --> RACIST. You believe trans people are a negative influence and distraction to the readiness of military units --> HOMOPHOBE or TRANSPHOBE. You simply state that women do not go into the tech industry because they do not like the field --> SEXIST. None of these opinions are racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic; however, say these things in the public square today and an antifa loon might beat you bloody to the cheers of the mob, media, and online warriors. If you’re lucky, you’ll just lose your job and maybe where you live. The great, great majority of these people are not klansman or white supremacists. There are good, honest people making reasoned arguments that are then stood up against a strawman and beaten up together. And anytime someone points out the facts of this, they are also targeted. That’s not right and must stop.

(08-18-2017 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Wall?
Infrastructure?
Muslim ban?
Crime gone?
ISIS defeated?
Tax reform?
Obamacare repealed?

He's really done NOTHING substantial. And yes it's still early, but he can't even get them off the damned ground!

Congratulations, he managed to not screw up Mitch McConnell's dick move to steal a SCOTUS seat.

And FWIW - I'd refrain from using the word coup. That's a really strong word with awful implications.

You're easily why this board is the mein vein..,,

You NEVER disappoint...

(08-18-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 11:13 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

Quote:He promised to defeat ISIS within 30 days with a secret plan.

wait, what? I must have missed THAT one.

Technically, he promised to have a plan ready in 30 days. Not to defeat them in 30 days. That being said, he's on record as saying he could defeat them "quickly". He also said on many occasions that it was wrong make the plan known, so that implies secrecy.

Develop a plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days

So you admit that the characterization of it as being accomplished 'in 30 days' was complete falsehood... and the other portion was at the very least debatable in that LOTS of people believe that military plans against 'the enemy' shouldn't be discussed in the press.... so for all we know, that's been done...

The characterization of it as a 'secret plan' is merely an attempt to paint something perfectly reasonable as something completely unreasonable.

so everything TILB said, you agree you 'missed' as well, and you've brought up something he DIDN'T mention to somehow vicariously support him anyway.

Without debating whether or not he said what you claim and just accepting it as fact (it sounds like what he would say) I guess honest people can debate the definition of 'quickly'. Relative to most any other war and especially the one we're involved in now which has been going on for years and some would say, centuries... I'd say he still has plenty of time for it to be considered 'quick' in comparison.

(08-18-2017 11:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 10:22 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 10:19 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 10:01 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

For the good of the American people, he needs to resign.

A sitting POTUS who's been found guilty of nothing other than oafish twitter posts resigning is in no way good for the American people. It only lends itself to creating further instability. Why does the left hate America?

He should resign because he's not up to the job.

Right. His administration so far has been worse for the American people.

The best thing for the country is for him to resign, and quickly. It's way better than impeachment or trying to invoke the 25th amendment.

He is not going to resign...He is not going to be impeached or removed by invoking the 25th. You are going to have to win the next election to get rid of him. I suggest the left get busy now finding a way to do that. First...Put forth a good candidate that excites people.

(08-18-2017 09:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

Yes, but the chances of that happening are far less than having the House and Senate vote on impeachment and removal from office.

I don't disagree.

It just seems like a much easier road than impeachment. Nobody wins with impeachment.

Hopefully he just gets fed up and quits.

If they try that they will stacking the dead like firewood.

I've never voted Dem in my life, but I also a never-Trumper. So I'm probably a filthy liberal to many on here. While I'm generally more economically populist, I guess I'm a National Review type conservative.

I loathe the guy and almost everything about him. However, I don't want to see him removed unless and until they find he's committed a real crime. Being a jerk and/or incompetent should not trigger impeachment. If they find due cause...I'll absolutely support his removal.

In addition, the reaction and turn from the left (ex. the rise of Antifa) has also been horrible for this country, and is normalizing things, especially around free speech, that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. We are worse from every angle from this entire episode, with blame to be spread everywhere.

He's been worse than I even anticipated...perplexingly so. Like...almost have to be trying to be this bad. Do you guys know the movie the Manchurian Candidate? Forget the specifics of the plot which are fanciful, but the basic concept has always stayed with me...(SPOILER AHEAD I GUESS)...the premise that the far right would be a tool of the far left.

I've always been intrigued by the concept, but never more than right now. You have a guy that's not even a real conservative, but manages to unfailingly trigger the worst and most despicable part of the right, while acting and behaving in the most unhinged and offensive manner possible. In response, the left is able, with general support, to ratchet up norms that never would have been considered acceptable (assault those you disagree with, protect me from speech, etc).

Someday, Trump will be gone...he's leaving no political or cultural "Trumpism" behind. But all those new norms from the left will stay.

The radical left couldn't have written the book better themselves. The only question in my mind is whether they're just being opportunistic or the whole damn thing has been orchestrated.

(08-18-2017 03:51 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I've never voted Dem in my life, but I also a never-Trumper. So I'm probably a filthy liberal to many on here. While I'm generally more economically populist, I guess I'm a National Review type conservative.

I loathe the guy and almost everything about him. However, I don't want to see him removed unless and until they find he's committed a real crime. Being a jerk and/or incompetent should not trigger impeachment. If they find due cause...I'll absolutely support his removal.

In addition, the reaction and turn from the left (ex. the rise of Antifa) has also been horrible for this country, and is normalizing things, especially around free speech, that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. We are worse from every angle from this entire episode, with blame to be spread everywhere.

He's been worse than I even anticipated...perplexingly so. Like...almost have to be trying to be this bad. Do you guys know the movie the Manchurian Candidate? Forget the specifics of the plot which are fanciful, but the basic concept has always stayed with me...(SPOILER AHEAD I GUESS)...the premise that the far right would be a tool of the far left.

I've always been intrigued by the concept, but never more than right now. You have a guy that's not even a real conservative, but manages to unfailingly trigger the worst and most despicable part of the right, while acting and behaving in the most unhinged and offensive manner possible. In response, the left is able, with general support, to ratchet up norms that never would have been considered acceptable (assault those you disagree with, protect me from speech, etc).

Someday, Trump will be gone...he's leaving no political or cultural "Trumpism" behind. But all those new norms from the left will stay.

The radical left couldn't have written the book better themselves. The only question in my mind is whether they're just being opportunistic or the whole damn thing has been orchestrated.

LOL

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Lou, what's funny is that I think 'the right' on here is about 50/50 on Trump... yet because of the way the left on here often paints us, you think we're all pro Trump

I'm not a trump supporter, but he won the election.

(08-18-2017 10:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 08:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 07:34 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  But I'm ready for President Pence. Our current president is a caricature, appealing now to only his most hardcore supporters. Adolph Hitler gets better press and I don't see that changing. Drain the swamp indeed. From what I've been told his new chief of staff asked to have the ability to vet the president's tweets, and he was told no. Then President Trump was given an opportunity to show leadership via the Spain crisis, but what did he do? He tweeted about the bogus legend of Black Jack Pershing, again merely to keep support from his most hardcore base. If a president is put into this position.....he cannot lead. It is more than apparent he has lost the trust of the american people. Time for him to go.

completely disagree

why???

for all the reasons why folks are continually understanding washtub brainwashing....however, .I do like him taking over in '20 or '24 after all the msm meltdown turns the corner

some of yaz simply expect magic every day....it doesn't matter who it is at this point if you go status quo....

I'm already seeing fewer vehicles at the sect 8s

I highly recommend turning off the boob-tube and driving around more....the economy is moving forward again....

I completely disagree also. Trump was #17 of the 17 Republican candidates on my list for a lot of the reasons you suggest, but he is who he is. He was democratically elected and trying to remove him is treason. Where were all these people all worked up about him back in August? He is actually better than I expected. He is doing the right things on policy. And giving in to the treacherous, duplicitous media is what Republicans have been doing for 30 years.

On Charlottesville he said ALL the right things. He had previously disavowed white supremacists and did so again. He was awkward, but he did say all the right things despite the lies spread by the media and some Republicans. He will always be awkward and will not adopt the best tone. It is what it is. We need to make the best of it, not help the Democrats and the traitors trying to overthrow the Constitution.

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I hate it when you guys state it better than I.....

it really is amazing that the comedians haven't come up with ANY favorable mat'l relative to DJT......he's a gimme huggy bear.....

snl has butchered this opportunity.....