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The Great Chase for Texas
We've been discussing a little more about Texas specifically lately and what ESPN's plan might be to lock them down for the long term. I thought I would start a thread for it because I think there are so many facets to this.

A while back, I posted an idea for what to do with the Longhorn Network once Texas had settled on a new conference. I still believe that some utilization of the LHN on the part of ESPN will be necessary in order to secure the future of a UT and ESPN partnership.

Exactly what the utilization would be is certainly up for debate although I think it's highly probable that the LHN will not simply be fazed out because that's not really ESPN's style...

1) While I believe it's true that the LHN was originally designed as a way to keep Texas in the fold, it's also true that an awful lot of money has been spent to create its infrastructure.

2) It will be very hard to integrate the LHN into any existing conference network because it has its own set of studios and UT is going to want some sort of guarantee to make just as much money off their T3 rights as they are making right now. It can be done, but I don't think it will be as easy as simply designating the LHN as an outlet for a regional package. Why? The following...

3) The LHN will be basically worthless in a world of streaming unless the content changes dramatically.

So anyway, the SEC certainly wants Texas and is probably willing to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in order to put pressure on UT.

By contrast, the ACC may be willing to give UT a partial deal to both complement Notre Dame's membership and add value and content to their own network.

The PAC needs Texas badly, but are they willing to take the little brothers to make it happen? That's probably the only way they could make the move because the money wouldn't be there for UT in the PAC like you might get with other leagues.

The B1G would probably love Texas too, but there's no way ESPN is going to cooperate with that as the B1G is primarily a FOX product now. An ESPN owned T3 network is not going to be blended with a FOX owned T3 network especially when the entire point of the LHN was to maintain control over UT. Texas would bring a nice windfall for the B1G, but the brand value for UT would take a hit if they're playing a bunch of B1G schools every season.

What will UT choose? Does anyone really know?

The reason I bring up the LHN so much is because I believe that UT's decision will probably come down to whatever is the best package any league can offer. I think playing rivals and local schools will be a part of it. I believe travel will be a part of it. I believe academic partnerships will be an aspect as well, but ultimately money talks. Money soothes egos if nothing else.

Texas basically makes more money than anyone else right now. That's not likely to change anytime soon unless the Big 12 can't negotiate a decent contract in a few years. At that point, UT won't be hurting, but they may fall permanently behind Texas A&M unless a move is made. That sort of dynamic also indicates why UT might make a move sooner than later.

Now some would say that UT is so rich that money doesn't matter that much...they'll always have plenty of it the thought goes. Let me ask you a question, have you ever known a wealthy man to turn down an opportunity to improve his own stature? Especially an oil rich Texan with an ego the size of Alaska?

I think UT will end up partnering with the league that can best utilize the LHN and give the entire conference not only another boost in revenue, but put the entire association on another level from what UT is used to.

That's my thought. What about you?
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(08-16-2017 11:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  We've been discussing a little more about Texas specifically lately and what ESPN's plan might be to lock them down for the long term. I thought I would start a thread for it because I think there are so many facets to this.

A while back, I posted an idea for what to do with the Longhorn Network once Texas had settled on a new conference. I still believe that some utilization of the LHN on the part of ESPN will be necessary in order to secure the future of a UT and ESPN partnership.

Exactly what the utilization would be is certainly up for debate although I think it's highly probable that the LHN will not simply be fazed out because that's not really ESPN's style...

1) While I believe it's true that the LHN was originally designed as a way to keep Texas in the fold, it's also true that an awful lot of money has been spent to create its infrastructure.

2) It will be very hard to integrate the LHN into any existing conference network because it has its own set of studios and UT is going to want some sort of guarantee to make just as much money off their T3 rights as they are making right now. It can be done, but I don't think it will be as easy as simply designating the LHN as an outlet for a regional package. Why? The following...

3) The LHN will be basically worthless in a world of streaming unless the content changes dramatically.

So anyway, the SEC certainly wants Texas and is probably willing to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in order to put pressure on UT.

By contrast, the ACC may be willing to give UT a partial deal to both complement Notre Dame's membership and add value and content to their own network.

The PAC needs Texas badly, but are they willing to take the little brothers to make it happen? That's probably the only way they could make the move because the money wouldn't be there for UT in the PAC like you might get with other leagues.

The B1G would probably love Texas too, but there's no way ESPN is going to cooperate with that as the B1G is primarily a FOX product now. An ESPN owned T3 network is not going to be blended with a FOX owned T3 network especially when the entire point of the LHN was to maintain control over UT. Texas would bring a nice windfall for the B1G, but the brand value for UT would take a hit if they're playing a bunch of B1G schools every season.

What will UT choose? Does anyone really know?

The reason I bring up the LHN so much is because I believe that UT's decision will probably come down to whatever is the best package any league can offer. I think playing rivals and local schools will be a part of it. I believe travel will be a part of it. I believe academic partnerships will be an aspect as well, but ultimately money talks. Money soothes egos if nothing else.

Texas basically makes more money than anyone else right now. That's not likely to change anytime soon unless the Big 12 can't negotiate a decent contract in a few years. At that point, UT won't be hurting, but they may fall permanently behind Texas A&M unless a move is made. That sort of dynamic also indicates why UT might make a move sooner than later.

Now some would say that UT is so rich that money doesn't matter that much...they'll always have plenty of it the thought goes. Let me ask you a question, have you ever known a wealthy man to turn down an opportunity to improve his own stature? Especially an oil rich Texan with an ego the size of Alaska?

I think UT will end up partnering with the league that can best utilize the LHN and give the entire conference not only another boost in revenue, but put the entire association on another level from what UT is used to.

That's my thought. What about you?

A couple of thoughts for you. First if Texas moves to another conference as long a their total conference distribution is 50 million then the LHN is covered. They currently get 34.8 for T1 & T2 and another 14 plus for the LHN. So make it a round 50 million and the total is covered. Second, it depends on where they go as to what is done with the LHN. If they wind up in the SEC I think Charlotte will become the studio for the two eastern most divisions and the LHN will become the studio for the two western most divisions and that one of the two current SEC overflow channels will be used to televise the Eastern 8 and the current SECN primary channel will be used to televise the Western 8 and the second overflow channel which is not used at this time will become the overflow channel for the other two.

If Texas goes the ACC then perhaps the LHN becomes the Spanish language version of the ACC, only concentrating on Texas and Miami sporting events.

I don't think Texas will go to the Big 10 for the reasons you've stated.

But if 6 schools from the Big 12 including Texas were to head to the PAC and the PAC were to sell out to ESPN then I could see the LHN becoming the network which covered the Eastern Division which consisted of 6 of the present Big 12 schools.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(08-17-2017 12:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 11:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  We've been discussing a little more about Texas specifically lately and what ESPN's plan might be to lock them down for the long term. I thought I would start a thread for it because I think there are so many facets to this.

A while back, I posted an idea for what to do with the Longhorn Network once Texas had settled on a new conference. I still believe that some utilization of the LHN on the part of ESPN will be necessary in order to secure the future of a UT and ESPN partnership.

Exactly what the utilization would be is certainly up for debate although I think it's highly probable that the LHN will not simply be fazed out because that's not really ESPN's style...

1) While I believe it's true that the LHN was originally designed as a way to keep Texas in the fold, it's also true that an awful lot of money has been spent to create its infrastructure.

2) It will be very hard to integrate the LHN into any existing conference network because it has its own set of studios and UT is going to want some sort of guarantee to make just as much money off their T3 rights as they are making right now. It can be done, but I don't think it will be as easy as simply designating the LHN as an outlet for a regional package. Why? The following...

3) The LHN will be basically worthless in a world of streaming unless the content changes dramatically.

So anyway, the SEC certainly wants Texas and is probably willing to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in order to put pressure on UT.

By contrast, the ACC may be willing to give UT a partial deal to both complement Notre Dame's membership and add value and content to their own network.

The PAC needs Texas badly, but are they willing to take the little brothers to make it happen? That's probably the only way they could make the move because the money wouldn't be there for UT in the PAC like you might get with other leagues.

The B1G would probably love Texas too, but there's no way ESPN is going to cooperate with that as the B1G is primarily a FOX product now. An ESPN owned T3 network is not going to be blended with a FOX owned T3 network especially when the entire point of the LHN was to maintain control over UT. Texas would bring a nice windfall for the B1G, but the brand value for UT would take a hit if they're playing a bunch of B1G schools every season.

What will UT choose? Does anyone really know?

The reason I bring up the LHN so much is because I believe that UT's decision will probably come down to whatever is the best package any league can offer. I think playing rivals and local schools will be a part of it. I believe travel will be a part of it. I believe academic partnerships will be an aspect as well, but ultimately money talks. Money soothes egos if nothing else.

Texas basically makes more money than anyone else right now. That's not likely to change anytime soon unless the Big 12 can't negotiate a decent contract in a few years. At that point, UT won't be hurting, but they may fall permanently behind Texas A&M unless a move is made. That sort of dynamic also indicates why UT might make a move sooner than later.

Now some would say that UT is so rich that money doesn't matter that much...they'll always have plenty of it the thought goes. Let me ask you a question, have you ever known a wealthy man to turn down an opportunity to improve his own stature? Especially an oil rich Texan with an ego the size of Alaska?

I think UT will end up partnering with the league that can best utilize the LHN and give the entire conference not only another boost in revenue, but put the entire association on another level from what UT is used to.

That's my thought. What about you?

A couple of thoughts for you. First if Texas moves to another conference as long a their total conference distribution is 50 million then the LHN is covered. They currently get 34.8 for T1 & T2 and another 14 plus for the LHN. So make it a round 50 million and the total is covered. Second, it depends on where they go as to what is done with the LHN. If they wind up in the SEC I think Charlotte will become the studio for the two eastern most divisions and the LHN will become the studio for the two western most divisions and that one of the two current SEC overflow channels will be used to televise the Eastern 8 and the current SECN primary channel will be used to televise the Western 8 and the second overflow channel which is not used at this time will become the overflow channel for the other two.

If Texas goes the ACC then perhaps the LHN becomes the Spanish language version of the ACC, only concentrating on Texas and Miami sporting events.

I don't think Texas will go to the Big 10 for the reasons you've stated.

But if 6 schools from the Big 12 including Texas were to head to the PAC and the PAC were to sell out to ESPN then I could see the LHN becoming the network which covered the Eastern Division which consisted of 6 of the present Big 12 schools.

I think the $50M figure might do it although I think if some use can be found for the LHN that not only covers that T3 figure but somehow gives an additional boost to the entire league then that may be the winning bid...even if it's not necessarily a cash infusion that results.

From UT's perspective, I could see them thinking "hey, we're generating $15M with this network so let's find a way to adapt this asset to not only cover that revenue, but add something else to the pot." I think ESPN might look at it that way too being that they've already invested so much money in it. UT is also a partial owner so there's that angle to consider.

I know you suggested using the TX studios to cover a Western grouping, but I'm not sure that an SEC Network with two regional channels would work. It hasn't seemed to have done much for the PAC and I think ultimately there could be ancillary costs that hurt the bottom line. That and the lack of consistent branding from one region to another. I think the SEC needs to dedicate itself to one national channel and focus on building content for streaming.

My suggestion a while back was to convert it into a Spanish language version of the SEC Network for both American and Latin American markets. Now that the SECN is in Mexico and other countries, I'm not sure how needed that is. I don't know what the format is for that sort of distribution though. Perhaps it's just the standard feed dubbed in Spanish, I have no idea actually. But I think it would be wise to market to the Spanish-speaking population in the US. It's only going to grow.

I've thought that perhaps ESPN would like to stick Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas in the SEC in order to preserve their content. Couldn't hurt and those are probably the 4 best additions if we're looking at a world where content becomes even more valuable.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(08-17-2017 01:48 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-17-2017 12:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 11:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  We've been discussing a little more about Texas specifically lately and what ESPN's plan might be to lock them down for the long term. I thought I would start a thread for it because I think there are so many facets to this.

A while back, I posted an idea for what to do with the Longhorn Network once Texas had settled on a new conference. I still believe that some utilization of the LHN on the part of ESPN will be necessary in order to secure the future of a UT and ESPN partnership.

Exactly what the utilization would be is certainly up for debate although I think it's highly probable that the LHN will not simply be fazed out because that's not really ESPN's style...

1) While I believe it's true that the LHN was originally designed as a way to keep Texas in the fold, it's also true that an awful lot of money has been spent to create its infrastructure.

2) It will be very hard to integrate the LHN into any existing conference network because it has its own set of studios and UT is going to want some sort of guarantee to make just as much money off their T3 rights as they are making right now. It can be done, but I don't think it will be as easy as simply designating the LHN as an outlet for a regional package. Why? The following...

3) The LHN will be basically worthless in a world of streaming unless the content changes dramatically.

So anyway, the SEC certainly wants Texas and is probably willing to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in order to put pressure on UT.

By contrast, the ACC may be willing to give UT a partial deal to both complement Notre Dame's membership and add value and content to their own network.

The PAC needs Texas badly, but are they willing to take the little brothers to make it happen? That's probably the only way they could make the move because the money wouldn't be there for UT in the PAC like you might get with other leagues.

The B1G would probably love Texas too, but there's no way ESPN is going to cooperate with that as the B1G is primarily a FOX product now. An ESPN owned T3 network is not going to be blended with a FOX owned T3 network especially when the entire point of the LHN was to maintain control over UT. Texas would bring a nice windfall for the B1G, but the brand value for UT would take a hit if they're playing a bunch of B1G schools every season.

What will UT choose? Does anyone really know?

The reason I bring up the LHN so much is because I believe that UT's decision will probably come down to whatever is the best package any league can offer. I think playing rivals and local schools will be a part of it. I believe travel will be a part of it. I believe academic partnerships will be an aspect as well, but ultimately money talks. Money soothes egos if nothing else.

Texas basically makes more money than anyone else right now. That's not likely to change anytime soon unless the Big 12 can't negotiate a decent contract in a few years. At that point, UT won't be hurting, but they may fall permanently behind Texas A&M unless a move is made. That sort of dynamic also indicates why UT might make a move sooner than later.

Now some would say that UT is so rich that money doesn't matter that much...they'll always have plenty of it the thought goes. Let me ask you a question, have you ever known a wealthy man to turn down an opportunity to improve his own stature? Especially an oil rich Texan with an ego the size of Alaska?

I think UT will end up partnering with the league that can best utilize the LHN and give the entire conference not only another boost in revenue, but put the entire association on another level from what UT is used to.

That's my thought. What about you?

A couple of thoughts for you. First if Texas moves to another conference as long a their total conference distribution is 50 million then the LHN is covered. They currently get 34.8 for T1 & T2 and another 14 plus for the LHN. So make it a round 50 million and the total is covered. Second, it depends on where they go as to what is done with the LHN. If they wind up in the SEC I think Charlotte will become the studio for the two eastern most divisions and the LHN will become the studio for the two western most divisions and that one of the two current SEC overflow channels will be used to televise the Eastern 8 and the current SECN primary channel will be used to televise the Western 8 and the second overflow channel which is not used at this time will become the overflow channel for the other two.

If Texas goes the ACC then perhaps the LHN becomes the Spanish language version of the ACC, only concentrating on Texas and Miami sporting events.

I don't think Texas will go to the Big 10 for the reasons you've stated.

But if 6 schools from the Big 12 including Texas were to head to the PAC and the PAC were to sell out to ESPN then I could see the LHN becoming the network which covered the Eastern Division which consisted of 6 of the present Big 12 schools.

I think the $50M figure might do it although I think if some use can be found for the LHN that not only covers that T3 figure but somehow gives an additional boost to the entire league then that may be the winning bid...even if it's not necessarily a cash infusion that results.

From UT's perspective, I could see them thinking "hey, we're generating $15M with this network so let's find a way to adapt this asset to not only cover that revenue, but add something else to the pot." I think ESPN might look at it that way too being that they've already invested so much money in it. UT is also a partial owner so there's that angle to consider.

I know you suggested using the TX studios to cover a Western grouping, but I'm not sure that an SEC Network with two regional channels would work. It hasn't seemed to have done much for the PAC and I think ultimately there could be ancillary costs that hurt the bottom line. That and the lack of consistent branding from one region to another. I think the SEC needs to dedicate itself to one national channel and focus on building content for streaming.

My suggestion a while back was to convert it into a Spanish language version of the SEC Network for both American and Latin American markets. Now that the SECN is in Mexico and other countries, I'm not sure how needed that is. I don't know what the format is for that sort of distribution though. Perhaps it's just the standard feed dubbed in Spanish, I have no idea actually. But I think it would be wise to market to the Spanish-speaking population in the US. It's only going to grow.

I've thought that perhaps ESPN would like to stick Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas in the SEC in order to preserve their content. Couldn't hurt and those are probably the 4 best additions if we're looking at a world where content becomes even more valuable.

As to the use of the LHN we have to acknowledge that it could be a moot issue. It depends a great deal upon what direction sports broadcasting moves as a result of technology.

I'd love to see us take the four you mentioned. Whatever happens I think the network's willingness to pay will be the deciding factor. I do think, have stated, and continue to believe that the most viable approach to landing Texas is to simply give them a Big 12 division. So moving to 18 and splitting into 3 divisions like this might just do the trick:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

That's a whole division of their friends and old rivals and they don't have to go head to head with A&M but they will play them annually. The rest of the SEC essentially remains the same.

That makes it comfortable for Texas and comfortable for the rest of us. The Aggies don't have to be in their division and can compete for the conference championship series separately.

It won't involve the ACC and whatever they want to do won't be any of our affair. With Texas (the state) locked up we don't have to worry so much about Florida. Leaving them in a division of their favorite schools to play keeps them happy. We all keep 1 permanent rival and play 10 conference games. The five in our division, one permanent rival, and rotate 2 each from the other divisions.

But the question is how to land Texas? I think that is about as good of a set up as we can give them. Substitute Texas Tech for Kansas but only if we must.
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One option not mentioned so far: Texas as a true independent.

If their T1 and 2 games are worth $35-40 mil, then this is a legitimate option.

Would mean a very direct bidding war between ESPN/Fox for those rights. Would also still in some ways come down to if Texas wanted more ACC/SEC (ESPN) schools on it's schedule or Big 10 (Fox). Independence could be a way to play Big 10 schools, keep some local rivalries and appease a fan base that wouldn't care about games against Minnesota every year.

Then SEC if they really wanted to expand would be free to take OK/St, OK/Kansas, OK/TCU, or OK/WVU.

The ACC could grab say Cincy and ND all in. Or ND/WVU, or even Houston (a good fit with their basketball pedigree too).

The PAC would still have tough decisions to make about who is worthwhile to them, but would have options.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(08-17-2017 02:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-17-2017 01:48 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-17-2017 12:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 11:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  We've been discussing a little more about Texas specifically lately and what ESPN's plan might be to lock them down for the long term. I thought I would start a thread for it because I think there are so many facets to this.

A while back, I posted an idea for what to do with the Longhorn Network once Texas had settled on a new conference. I still believe that some utilization of the LHN on the part of ESPN will be necessary in order to secure the future of a UT and ESPN partnership.

Exactly what the utilization would be is certainly up for debate although I think it's highly probable that the LHN will not simply be fazed out because that's not really ESPN's style...

1) While I believe it's true that the LHN was originally designed as a way to keep Texas in the fold, it's also true that an awful lot of money has been spent to create its infrastructure.

2) It will be very hard to integrate the LHN into any existing conference network because it has its own set of studios and UT is going to want some sort of guarantee to make just as much money off their T3 rights as they are making right now. It can be done, but I don't think it will be as easy as simply designating the LHN as an outlet for a regional package. Why? The following...

3) The LHN will be basically worthless in a world of streaming unless the content changes dramatically.

So anyway, the SEC certainly wants Texas and is probably willing to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in order to put pressure on UT.

By contrast, the ACC may be willing to give UT a partial deal to both complement Notre Dame's membership and add value and content to their own network.

The PAC needs Texas badly, but are they willing to take the little brothers to make it happen? That's probably the only way they could make the move because the money wouldn't be there for UT in the PAC like you might get with other leagues.

The B1G would probably love Texas too, but there's no way ESPN is going to cooperate with that as the B1G is primarily a FOX product now. An ESPN owned T3 network is not going to be blended with a FOX owned T3 network especially when the entire point of the LHN was to maintain control over UT. Texas would bring a nice windfall for the B1G, but the brand value for UT would take a hit if they're playing a bunch of B1G schools every season.

What will UT choose? Does anyone really know?

The reason I bring up the LHN so much is because I believe that UT's decision will probably come down to whatever is the best package any league can offer. I think playing rivals and local schools will be a part of it. I believe travel will be a part of it. I believe academic partnerships will be an aspect as well, but ultimately money talks. Money soothes egos if nothing else.

Texas basically makes more money than anyone else right now. That's not likely to change anytime soon unless the Big 12 can't negotiate a decent contract in a few years. At that point, UT won't be hurting, but they may fall permanently behind Texas A&M unless a move is made. That sort of dynamic also indicates why UT might make a move sooner than later.

Now some would say that UT is so rich that money doesn't matter that much...they'll always have plenty of it the thought goes. Let me ask you a question, have you ever known a wealthy man to turn down an opportunity to improve his own stature? Especially an oil rich Texan with an ego the size of Alaska?

I think UT will end up partnering with the league that can best utilize the LHN and give the entire conference not only another boost in revenue, but put the entire association on another level from what UT is used to.

That's my thought. What about you?

A couple of thoughts for you. First if Texas moves to another conference as long a their total conference distribution is 50 million then the LHN is covered. They currently get 34.8 for T1 & T2 and another 14 plus for the LHN. So make it a round 50 million and the total is covered. Second, it depends on where they go as to what is done with the LHN. If they wind up in the SEC I think Charlotte will become the studio for the two eastern most divisions and the LHN will become the studio for the two western most divisions and that one of the two current SEC overflow channels will be used to televise the Eastern 8 and the current SECN primary channel will be used to televise the Western 8 and the second overflow channel which is not used at this time will become the overflow channel for the other two.

If Texas goes the ACC then perhaps the LHN becomes the Spanish language version of the ACC, only concentrating on Texas and Miami sporting events.

I don't think Texas will go to the Big 10 for the reasons you've stated.

But if 6 schools from the Big 12 including Texas were to head to the PAC and the PAC were to sell out to ESPN then I could see the LHN becoming the network which covered the Eastern Division which consisted of 6 of the present Big 12 schools.

I think the $50M figure might do it although I think if some use can be found for the LHN that not only covers that T3 figure but somehow gives an additional boost to the entire league then that may be the winning bid...even if it's not necessarily a cash infusion that results.

From UT's perspective, I could see them thinking "hey, we're generating $15M with this network so let's find a way to adapt this asset to not only cover that revenue, but add something else to the pot." I think ESPN might look at it that way too being that they've already invested so much money in it. UT is also a partial owner so there's that angle to consider.

I know you suggested using the TX studios to cover a Western grouping, but I'm not sure that an SEC Network with two regional channels would work. It hasn't seemed to have done much for the PAC and I think ultimately there could be ancillary costs that hurt the bottom line. That and the lack of consistent branding from one region to another. I think the SEC needs to dedicate itself to one national channel and focus on building content for streaming.

My suggestion a while back was to convert it into a Spanish language version of the SEC Network for both American and Latin American markets. Now that the SECN is in Mexico and other countries, I'm not sure how needed that is. I don't know what the format is for that sort of distribution though. Perhaps it's just the standard feed dubbed in Spanish, I have no idea actually. But I think it would be wise to market to the Spanish-speaking population in the US. It's only going to grow.

I've thought that perhaps ESPN would like to stick Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas in the SEC in order to preserve their content. Couldn't hurt and those are probably the 4 best additions if we're looking at a world where content becomes even more valuable.

As to the use of the LHN we have to acknowledge that it could be a moot issue. It depends a great deal upon what direction sports broadcasting moves as a result of technology.

I'd love to see us take the four you mentioned. Whatever happens I think the network's willingness to pay will be the deciding factor. I do think, have stated, and continue to believe that the most viable approach to landing Texas is to simply give them a Big 12 division. So moving to 18 and splitting into 3 divisions like this might just do the trick:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

That's a whole division of their friends and old rivals and they don't have to go head to head with A&M but they will play them annually. The rest of the SEC essentially remains the same.

That makes it comfortable for Texas and comfortable for the rest of us. The Aggies don't have to be in their division and can compete for the conference championship series separately.

It won't involve the ACC and whatever they want to do won't be any of our affair. With Texas (the state) locked up we don't have to worry so much about Florida. Leaving them in a division of their favorite schools to play keeps them happy. We all keep 1 permanent rival and play 10 conference games. The five in our division, one permanent rival, and rotate 2 each from the other divisions.

But the question is how to land Texas? I think that is about as good of a set up as we can give them. Substitute Texas Tech for Kansas but only if we must.

That 18 team set up looks really good, but it's not practical. The B1G is going to demand concessions for the rights to their programming which ESPN needs.
I still contend in that scenario, that Missouri becomes the peace offering to the B1G for those TV rights.

Missouri and Kansas to the B1G.

Then you might see this set-up for the SEC:

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Texas
A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt
Miss. State, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky
Fla., Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
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(08-17-2017 07:07 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  One option not mentioned so far: Texas as a true independent.

If their T1 and 2 games are worth $35-40 mil, then this is a legitimate option.

Would mean a very direct bidding war between ESPN/Fox for those rights. Would also still in some ways come down to if Texas wanted more ACC/SEC (ESPN) schools on it's schedule or Big 10 (Fox). Independence could be a way to play Big 10 schools, keep some local rivalries and appease a fan base that wouldn't care about games against Minnesota every year.

Then SEC if they really wanted to expand would be free to take OK/St, OK/Kansas, OK/TCU, or OK/WVU.

The ACC could grab say Cincy and ND all in. Or ND/WVU, or even Houston (a good fit with their basketball pedigree too).

The PAC would still have tough decisions to make about who is worthwhile to them, but would have options.

The PAC has the best chance because it could take UT and three little brothers if it gives ESPN a % of the PACN. UT would love being responsible for creating an all Texas division within the PAC 16 along with delivering a PAC Lone Star Network. The PAC could also take UT, TT, OU, and OSU. However, the new PAC 16 would still lag behind the SEC and B1G… but surpass the ACC in $$$....
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Like many others posters here, I think Oklahoma and Oklahoma St find their way into the SEC.

The PAC has an opportunity to make Texas salivate: bring in 4 schools from the State of Texas and allow Texas to maintain some form the of the LHN.

Here's 4 pods...

Northwest: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southwest: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Golden State: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Lone Star State: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston
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(08-17-2017 07:07 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  One option not mentioned so far: Texas as a true independent.

If their T1 and 2 games are worth $35-40 mil, then this is a legitimate option.

Would mean a very direct bidding war between ESPN/Fox for those rights. Would also still in some ways come down to if Texas wanted more ACC/SEC (ESPN) schools on it's schedule or Big 10 (Fox). Independence could be a way to play Big 10 schools, keep some local rivalries and appease a fan base that wouldn't care about games against Minnesota every year.

Then SEC if they really wanted to expand would be free to take OK/St, OK/Kansas, OK/TCU, or OK/WVU.

The ACC could grab say Cincy and ND all in. Or ND/WVU, or even Houston (a good fit with their basketball pedigree too).

The PAC would still have tough decisions to make about who is worthwhile to them, but would have options.

I'd love to see Texas as an independent. They could easily fill a schedule with big time P5 teams in the early part of the schedule, Texas teams in the middle, and Army/BYU/ND in November.

I think more independents is a good thing honestly.
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(08-17-2017 08:37 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Like many others posters here, I think Oklahoma and Oklahoma St find their way into the SEC.

The PAC has an opportunity to make Texas salivate: bring in 4 schools from the State of Texas and allow Texas to maintain some form the of the LHN.

Here's 4 pods...

Northwest: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southwest: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Golden State: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Lone Star State: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston

I honestly think this ^ will likely happen....
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