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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
(08-14-2017 10:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I didn't care for the Arthur Ashe monument. There are many other black Virginians that deserved it. Like Joseph Ranger of the Virginia Navy in the Rev. War or William Harvey Carney who was the first African-American awarded the Medal of Honor. Those guys should have been put there rather than Ashe. Just my opinion though.

While those other gentlemen may be Virginia natives, Arthur Ashe was actually from Richmond. And just because the previous monuments were dedicated to veterans of war does not mean all of them need be. It is MONUMENT Avenue after all.

The inclusion of Arthur Ashe on Monument Avenue is doubly significant given the context adjacent to Confederate statues, since he wasn't allowed to play tennis against white children during the school year due to segregation.

As a native Richmonder, I appreciate that juxtaposition and appreciate his recognition along the city's most famous street.

Really, if people want to find something to complain about with regards to Arthur Ashe, take exception to the indoor track & field complex in Richmond located next to the Diamond that bears his name. That place was a dump when I ran track in high school during the mid 2000s! An athlete such as him deserves much better than that piece of junk, haha.
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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
(08-14-2017 12:41 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 10:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I didn't care for the Arthur Ashe monument. There are many other black Virginians that deserved it. Like Joseph Ranger of the Virginia Navy in the Rev. War or William Harvey Carney who was the first African-American awarded the Medal of Honor. Those guys should have been put there rather than Ashe. Just my opinion though.

While those other gentlemen may be Virginia natives, Arthur Ashe was actually from Richmond. And just because the previous monuments were dedicated to veterans of war does not mean all of them need be. It is MONUMENT Avenue after all.

The inclusion of Arthur Ashe on Monument Avenue is doubly significant given the context adjacent to Confederate statues, since he wasn't allowed to play tennis against white children during the school year due to segregation.

As a native Richmonder, I appreciate that juxtaposition and appreciate his recognition along the city's most famous street.

Really, if people want to find something to complain about with regards to Arthur Ashe, take exception to the indoor track & field complex in Richmond located next to the Diamond that bears his name. That place was a dump when I ran track in high school during the mid 2000s! An athlete such as him deserves much better than that piece of junk, haha.
The people of Richmond are free to choose Pee Wee Herman if they want. The juxtaposition of Ashe seems weird from multiple directions and thats just my outside opinion.

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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
(08-14-2017 12:41 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 10:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I didn't care for the Arthur Ashe monument. There are many other black Virginians that deserved it. Like Joseph Ranger of the Virginia Navy in the Rev. War or William Harvey Carney who was the first African-American awarded the Medal of Honor. Those guys should have been put there rather than Ashe. Just my opinion though.

While those other gentlemen may be Virginia natives, Arthur Ashe was actually from Richmond. And just because the previous monuments were dedicated to veterans of war does not mean all of them need be. It is MONUMENT Avenue after all.

The inclusion of Arthur Ashe on Monument Avenue is doubly significant given the context adjacent to Confederate statues, since he wasn't allowed to play tennis against white children during the school year due to segregation.

As a native Richmonder, I appreciate that juxtaposition and appreciate his recognition along the city's most famous street.

Really, if people want to find something to complain about with regards to Arthur Ashe, take exception to the indoor track & field complex in Richmond located next to the Diamond that bears his name. That place was a dump when I ran track in high school during the mid 2000s! An athlete such as him deserves much better than that piece of junk, haha.

I whole heatedly agree with the inclusion of the Arthur Ashe Monument on Monument Avenue, it's just the design of said monument that's a little strange.
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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
Implode the Diamond too while you're at it.
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(08-14-2017 01:02 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Implode the Diamond too while you're at it.

I agree; however, getting folks in Richmond to agree to do anything is next to impossible, at least when it comes to baseball. First the Braves left and now I imagine the Flying Squirrels are going to start to wonder if anything will ever happen. Pretty sure they won't continue to pump money into the Diamond much longer.
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(08-14-2017 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 10:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What happened in Virginia will only make the removal of confederate symbols faster.

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That would be a travesty.

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I was speaking about how that would encourage more violent protests from the overly offended.
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(08-14-2017 01:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 01:02 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Implode the Diamond too while you're at it.

I agree; however, getting folks in Richmond to agree to do anything is next to impossible, at least when it comes to baseball. First the Braves left and now I imagine the Flying Squirrels are going to start to wonder if anything will ever happen. Pretty sure they won't continue to pump money into the Diamond much longer.

There's a tentative plan in place to replace the Diamond, but the deal probably only will get done because VCU is involved in the process now. People in Richmond typically have pretty strong feelings one way or another when VCU starts throwing money around for more development, but I believe they've been a big boost to the city (especially in the last decade and a half during their big acquisitions and expansions).
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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
Whatever happened to the plans to build in Shockoe?
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(08-14-2017 02:32 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whatever happened to the plans to build in Shockoe?

People complained. Well, that and the need for money.
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RE: Richmond Protests Turn Violent
Today's remarks from the Richmond mayor.

Mayor Stoney: Richmond's Confederate monuments should stay with context added; commission's mission remains the same

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Quote:Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney on Monday morning reiterated his belief that adding context to the Confederate statues lining Monument Avenue is preferable to removing or relocating them.

"Currently, as I’ve always said, since my remarks earlier on this year, the way those statues stand currently, they’re a shameful representation of the past that we all disagree with," Stoney said. "For me, it’s about telling the complete truth. I don’t think removal of symbols does anything for telling the actual truth or changes the state and culture of racism in this country today."

This man gets it. Heck, if I lived in Richmond, I may have even voted for him. 04-cheers
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