Sounds like we are settling into our place in college football by playing teams like us. Mid majors.

I doubt there will be very much interest in home games against these type of teams. Notice how all of you are talking about the ucla game months before the game takes place. Nobody will be talking about the north texas or ga southern series until the week of the game. It's a lose lose situation if you ask me, but whatever.

(08-14-2017 05:31 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  According to the SEC, Army is also P5, because like BYU, several members have future series with them.

SEC making a scheduling policy does not give you P5 rights.

What rights are you talking about? I honestly have no idea.

3 conferences have specifically mentioned only BYU & Notre Dame as being Power 5 level conferences when they adopted scheduling policies.

Other schools like Cincy and Army have been given waivers since they were already on schedules.

(08-14-2017 05:50 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Sounds like we are settling into our place in college football by playing teams like us. Mid majors.

I doubt there will be very much interest in home games against these type of teams. Notice how all of you are talking about the ucla game months before the game takes place. Nobody will be talking about the north texas or ga southern series until the week of the game. It's a lose lose situation if you ask me, but whatever.

Excellent point.

(08-14-2017 02:54 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 02:23 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 01:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 11:17 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Memphis and Bowen have made a decision, different than our conference opponents, to schedule only one P5 per year, which means we only get a P5 home game every other year.

Is the decision effective? I'll take any metric you want to make a case for: attendance, winning, financial, rankings, recruiting, etc.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but will answer straight.

Pro: Get extra wins. Sometimes an extra home game, albeit against unattractive opponents.

Con: Almost everything else. I would trade one Mississippi State home game for two Mercer & Georgia State home games all day, every year from now to infinity. Or one Arkansas game, one Ole Miss game, one UTK game, one Missouri game . . . I prefer quality over quantity. If this costs us winning 8 games versus winning 9 games one year, that's ok with me.

Our average attendance, which is how school's home attendance is ranked, would go up. E.g., let's say one Mississippi State game at 50K attendance versus two Mercer/So Alabama games at 25K each.

Definitely would help our recruiting. Definitely we would make more money.

My main point is don't buy the narrative that has been pitched that we can't schedule two or even three P5 games per year. It's actually easier now to do this, since the P5 conferences are backing away from scheduling FCS games, opening more slots for Group of 5 teams.

I'm in your camp, Tigx. 3601 and UofMem act like scheduling compelling match ups against P5 teams vs. scheduling the Ga. States and Mercers of the world is the difference between being a winning program and being a losing program. Putting an extra P5 on the schedule won't cause you to have a losing season. Either you're good or you're not. It might cost you a game, but I'm willing to risk that for the reward of a big game with a better atmosphere.

Would you rather see this Memphis team play UCLA or Georgia State? I know which game I'd rather see, even if that means Memphis has a greater chance of losing that game. I know this team can ball, and they'll win 7-8 games regardless of what happens vs. UCLA. But I'm looking forward to the UCLA game in a big way.

If you think there is a chance at an access bowl bid you can't afford that loss for entertainment's sake.

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(08-14-2017 05:50 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Sounds like we are settling into our place in college football by playing teams like us. Mid majors.

I doubt there will be very much interest in home games against these type of teams. Notice how all of you are talking about the ucla game months before the game takes place. Nobody will be talking about the north texas or ga southern series until the week of the game. It's a lose lose situation if you ask me, but whatever.

Georgia Southern (GS for short) = Sun Belt conference school located in Statesboro GA who won several FCS nat'l championships before moving up to FBS in the Sun Belt. We do not play GA Southern.

Georgia State University (GSU) = Sun Belt conference member located in Atlanta GA. GSU first started it's FB program in 2010 (FCS). IN 2013 GSU played its first FBS game. To my knowledge GSU has not had one winning D1 season. Best finish was 6-7 in 2015. It is Georgia State University (GSU) that is on our schedule.

(08-14-2017 06:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 05:50 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Sounds like we are settling into our place in college football by playing teams like us. Mid majors.

I doubt there will be very much interest in home games against these type of teams. Notice how all of you are talking about the ucla game months before the game takes place. Nobody will be talking about the north texas or ga southern series until the week of the game. It's a lose lose situation if you ask me, but whatever.

Excellent point.

I third that...and if by chance, the Tigers do pull off that undefeated season one year, it will be virtually impossible to make the final 4 with those schedules.

We should be playing Southern Miss or Marshall instead of these awful programs. Nobody cares one ounce to play Mercer, GA State or North Texas.

(08-14-2017 06:36 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We should be playing Southern Miss or Marshall instead of these awful programs. Nobody cares one ounce to play Mercer, GA State or North Texas.

And people are complaining about a buy game with Purdue. We have absolutely nothing to gain from playing teams like Mercer.

TigX is on the same page I am, play the toughest ooc schedule possible, that helps with the recruiting more than playing inferior teams, plus if we should get a Big Time program to play us at home occasionally we'll fill a lot of seats. You Dudes will see when we play ucla

(08-14-2017 09:59 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I loved the Stobart years. 6 & 5 but we were good, and we played a much tougher and more interesting schedule.

Here's the '94 schedule, promise it's the first one I pulled up. Would you rather play this schedule, or any schedule we have for the next 7 years? Thank God we have the AAC now, which at least makes the conference games more interesting.

Sep 3, 1994 Sat Memphis Mississippi State
Sep 10, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Tulsa Ind
Sep 17, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Southern Mississippi
Sep 24, 1994 Sat Memphis Arkansas SEC
Oct 8, 1994 Sat Memphis Tulane
Oct 15, 1994 Sat Memphis Arkansas State
Oct 22, 1994 Sat Memphis Cincinnati Ind
Oct 29, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Louisville Ind
Nov 5, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Ole Miss SEC
Nov 12, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Tennessee SEC
Nov 19, 1994 Sat Memphis East Carolina

My point is, Memphis could provide a better schedule for its fans. It's a choice not to do so. Many G5's have better schedules than we do.

6-5 didnt get you a bowl game back then.

Yes those teams were good teams but in the end we had some decent wins but no reward

I believe Chuck was the Coach when we beat usc and Chuck Bailey also played tough opponents, I think his team beat florida when they had a Dude named Emmet Smith

(08-14-2017 06:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 06:36 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We should be playing Southern Miss or Marshall instead of these awful programs. Nobody cares one ounce to play Mercer, GA State or North Texas.

And people are complaining about a buy game with Purdue. We have absolutely nothing to gain from playing teams like Mercer.

There are about five FBS programs that don't have an FCS game in a given season. Nobody gets excited for the FCS game but not playing one puts behind in wins and warming up.

(08-14-2017 07:25 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I believe Chuck was the Coach when we beat usc and Chuck Bailey also played tough opponents, I think his team beat florida when they had a Dude named Emmet Smith

Here you go. You can relive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGPcoavR7c

(08-14-2017 09:59 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I loved the Stobart years. 6 & 5 but we were good, and we played a much tougher and more interesting schedule.

Here's the '94 schedule, promise it's the first one I pulled up. Would you rather play this schedule, or any schedule we have for the next 7 years? Thank God we have the AAC now, which at least makes the conference games more interesting.

Sep 3, 1994 Sat Memphis Mississippi State
Sep 10, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Tulsa Ind
Sep 17, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Southern Mississippi
Sep 24, 1994 Sat Memphis Arkansas SEC
Oct 8, 1994 Sat Memphis Tulane
Oct 15, 1994 Sat Memphis Arkansas State
Oct 22, 1994 Sat Memphis Cincinnati Ind
Oct 29, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Louisville Ind
Nov 5, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Ole Miss SEC
Nov 12, 1994 Sat Memphis @ Tennessee SEC
Nov 19, 1994 Sat Memphis East Carolina

My point is, Memphis could provide a better schedule for its fans. It's a choice not to do so. Many G5's have better schedules than we do.

I'm pretty sure I remember that year. Memphis was 6-4 going into the ECU game and was told beat the Pirates to go 7-4 and the Liberty Bowl would offer them a bid. The Pirates won, the stadium was half full and Memphis stayed home. People liked Stobart but since he couldn't get over the hump he was later let go on the basis of 'attendance.' It takes more than a strong schedule to get interest.

And after thumping an Ole Miss team who beat 'Bama twice and embarrassing Kansas (and fully expected by many to beat UCLA) if you think P5 schools - especially mid- to lower tier P5 schools - are going to be knocking on Memphis's door for a series you're wrong. SMU played a four game series against Woo-Pig-Souie soon after they left the SWC for the SEC. SMU took 3 out of 4 games and we havn't heard from them since.

I don't look down my nose and scoff at some of these teams like a lot on here do, but this scheduling is ridiculous. I understand the point about not taking a loss that would torpedo your shot at the access bowl slot, and maybe it is a good thing to have a little variety other than playing Southern Miss and UAB, i.e., regional teams we have played a lot, and instead play GA State & South Bammer, but the schedule is loaded up with "lower level" teams that won't generate any excitement from the fans.

I selfishly like the North Texas road game and understand the Ark State home/home series. Playing a Mercer or Southern Illinois as a season opener doesn't bother me. I'm sure it is much more difficult than many of the complainers think it is to get P5 teams scheduled. Contrary to local popular belief, Memphis is not a very sought out destination for the rest of the country. (I'm not debating the validity of that and know that Iowa State and Kansas fans, etc. had good things to say, but those examples don't go far in making the case.) Someone cited East Carolina, well, they have a long history with Va Tech, Va, and WVa, so that helps them get games. Houston has much more recent nat'l cred than we do. That being said, it seems that we could schedule some sort of "bigger name" or "better reputation" opponents, if not P5. Maybe not. People griped to no end about Bowling Green and scoff at C-USA, so unless you can convince a Mountain West team to spend the money to fly in, there's not a lot left.

(08-14-2017 10:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  I would like to see us schedule UAB or Southern rather than Arky State.

I'm always ready for a beatdown of stAte

(08-14-2017 10:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 10:39 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  For your consideration. We have those who CLAIM we play Ga St, USA in order to get exposure in Atlanta and Mobile. So you ever wonder why it is that the P5 teams offer us home and home??????

So THEY can get more exposure in Memphis.

At least UNT actually has some sort of football tradition compared to the no name schools we are offering home and home series. Even though we already have the Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex covered with our games with SMU

Also if we are playing these home and home with lesser schools in order to get exposure in these communities. Why have we swapped the largest metro area in Alabama for the third largest. When we actually had a rivalry game going with the school in the largest area. UAB was actually back playing football when we were negotiating with USA.

Are you saying that you don't want to play P5 teams home and home?

You complain a lot about the OOC schedule, but you refuse to give us and example of your idea of a perfect 4-year OOC schedule. I've asked you to do it numerous times, but you seem to be afraid.

If you were AD for a day and had the ability to create the OOC for 2021-2024 who would you schedule for those 16 games? Assume that the slate is clean.

you could have stopped with the bolded quotes LOL

when y'all become AD...we can schedule whomever you like.

until then, it is what it is.

(08-14-2017 09:36 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  I don't look down my nose and scoff at some of these teams like a lot on here do, but this scheduling is ridiculous. I understand the point about not taking a loss that would torpedo your shot at the access bowl slot, and maybe it is a good thing to have a little variety other than playing Southern Miss and UAB, i.e., regional teams we have played a lot, and instead play GA State & South Bammer, but the schedule is loaded up with "lower level" teams that won't generate any excitement from the fans.

I selfishly like the North Texas road game and understand the Ark State home/home series. Playing a Mercer or Southern Illinois as a season opener doesn't bother me. I'm sure it is much more difficult than many of the complainers think it is to get P5 teams scheduled. Contrary to local popular belief, Memphis is not a very sought out destination for the rest of the country. (I'm not debating the validity of that and know that Iowa State and Kansas fans, etc. had good things to say, but those examples don't go far in making the case.) Someone cited East Carolina, well, they have a long history with Va Tech, Va, and WVa, so that helps them get games. Houston has much more recent nat'l cred than we do. That being said, it seems that we could schedule some sort of "bigger name" or "better reputation" opponents, if not P5. Maybe not. People griped to no end about Bowling Green and scoff at C-USA, so unless you can convince a Mountain West team to spend the money to fly in, there's not a lot left.

I liked the Bowling Green game. I dont mind the home-home with GaSt or USA, but I do not like playing both GaSt and USA in the same season. One buy game against an FCS team and one game against a team from a "lesser" G5 conference in a season is fine, if the other 2 are against a high-level G5 team and a P5 team.

(08-14-2017 10:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 09:36 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  I don't look down my nose and scoff at some of these teams like a lot on here do, but this scheduling is ridiculous. I understand the point about not taking a loss that would torpedo your shot at the access bowl slot, and maybe it is a good thing to have a little variety other than playing Southern Miss and UAB, i.e., regional teams we have played a lot, and instead play GA State & South Bammer, but the schedule is loaded up with "lower level" teams that won't generate any excitement from the fans.

I selfishly like the North Texas road game and understand the Ark State home/home series. Playing a Mercer or Southern Illinois as a season opener doesn't bother me. I'm sure it is much more difficult than many of the complainers think it is to get P5 teams scheduled. Contrary to local popular belief, Memphis is not a very sought out destination for the rest of the country. (I'm not debating the validity of that and know that Iowa State and Kansas fans, etc. had good things to say, but those examples don't go far in making the case.) Someone cited East Carolina, well, they have a long history with Va Tech, Va, and WVa, so that helps them get games. Houston has much more recent nat'l cred than we do. That being said, it seems that we could schedule some sort of "bigger name" or "better reputation" opponents, if not P5. Maybe not. People griped to no end about Bowling Green and scoff at C-USA, so unless you can convince a Mountain West team to spend the money to fly in, there's not a lot left.

I liked the Bowling Green game. I dont mind the home-home with GaSt or USA, but I do not like playing both GaSt and USA in the same season. One buy game against and FCS team and one game against a team from a "lesser" G5 conference in a season is fine, if he other 2 are against a high-level G5 team and a P5 team.

yeah, but 7 homes games, though...more Tiger football at the Liberty Bowl!!!