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RE: FB home and home against North Texas
(08-14-2017 03:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 03:01 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

This. Hypothetically, let's say we had a home game against Miss St in place of the S. Illinois game. Let's say we lose that game. Let's say we finish 8-4 vs. 9-3. Was it worth it? Absolutely.

With the team we have this season, a game against Miss St. might come close to a sell out and atmosphere would be electric vs. So. Illinois drawing 35K in a ho hum affair. Yes, So. Illinois guarantees a victory, but I know the Tigers are good. I don't need to see them get a bunch of guaranteed wins. I want to see fun, big games.

And we would be talking about a Mississippi State game for weeks leading up to the game. And the Bulldog fans would pour in to town with their obnoxious cowbells. Gets me fired up just thinking about it.

Anybody going to be talking about Mercer or South Bama or Georgia State the weeks prior to the game? If it rains, might you just decide to stay home and watch college football that day? Can anybody even tell any of their nicknames without googling it?

Yep. And I'm not buying the "I want wins" argument. We all want wins. Doesn't mean we shouldn't give the OOC schedule a boost when we can. I get that it's not easy to book some of these games, but we can do better than what we're seeing coming up.
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I just see no upside in playing So AL, GSU, So IL, now NTXSt, UTSA & Mercer. Makes no sense, especially H&H.

We need a minimum of two P5 games per year - and look no further than our AAC conference mates to see it is being done routinely - still, right now it's being done or look at our schedules in years past. We need to win in-conference & play big games OOC competitively (& win most). And have to add, would you rather see the Tigers play So IL or Southern Miss, Mercer or Southern Miss, GSU or Southern Miss, etc etc. When we can't get the P-5 games (& I think we can), we should schedule Southern Miss or UAB (if we don't have to play at Legion Field).
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(08-14-2017 02:10 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 01:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm consistent on this issue for MBB & FB - disappointed with the home OOC schedule approach for both. IMO we should schedule the most challenging home OOC schedule we can where we have the best opportunities for big wins.

Agreed. If you want to be taken seriously, you need P5 wins.

I hear you. And agree to some extent.

At the same time, we are currently being taken seriously - as serious as anyone not in the P5. And we're building a fanbase. We're improving financially. And we're getting better recruits.

So what else is to gain? We don't get any closer to P5 membership. There's a definite ceiling for us in the polls. In fact, the risk of loss hurts our shot at the Access slot more than the opportunity of win improves it.

The roadmap is clear. Make it to the conf champ game with 1 loss. Win the game. Get the Access slot. SOS doesn't really matter.

But, again, I get the desire for a better home schedule.
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(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

I don't agree with you.

UT or olemiss will help draw a big crowd for one single game. However, if you want to have a high average attendance over the course of the season then you need wins.

We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.
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(08-14-2017 03:40 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

I don't agree with you.

UT or olemiss will help draw a big crowd for one single game. However, if you want to have a high average attendance over the course of the season then you need wins.

We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.

Yep. To say absolutely that opponent drives attendance by far is misleading. Winning drives attendance. Last few years should have closed that argument. And this year could be the biggest.
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(08-14-2017 03:40 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

I don't agree with you.

UT or olemiss will help draw a big crowd for one single game. However, if you want to have a high average attendance over the course of the season then you need wins.

We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.

Not intellectually honest to use that year as a comparison, IMO. Again, it was the DeAngelo/Winprime height of the Tommy West era. Won at Ole Miss in first game and started the year 5 -1. Drew over 50k for the Louisville game when the Cards were highly ranked.

No doubt that over the course of decades, SEC schools have been the biggest draws.

I would like to play 1 SEC game and 1 other P5 game per season. No need to play 3 or 4 SEC games in a season like we did in the 80s and 90s.
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(08-14-2017 03:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just see no upside in playing So AL, GSU, So IL, now NTXSt, UTSA & Mercer. Makes no sense, especially H&H.

We need a minimum of two P5 games per year - and look no further than our AAC conference mates to see it is being done routinely - still, right now it's being done or look at our schedules in years past. We need to win in-conference & play big games OOC competitively (& win most). And have to add, would you rather see the Tigers play So IL or Southern Miss, Mercer or Southern Miss, GSU or Southern Miss, etc etc. When we can't get the P-5 games (& I think we can), we should schedule Southern Miss or UAB (if we don't have to play at Legion Field).

I think Boise has done it better than anybody and they've made it to the Fiesta Bowl three times. Their OOC opponents those seasons:

2006 Sacramento St., Oregon State, Wyoming, Utah
2009 Oregon, Miami-Ohio, BGSU, UC-Davis
2014 olemiss, UL-Lafatette, UConnn, BYU

Each of those three seasons they played only one P5 school.
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(08-14-2017 03:40 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

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We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.



but we didn't make any money. most of those tickets were freebies
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(08-14-2017 02:23 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 01:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 11:17 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Memphis and Bowen have made a decision, different than our conference opponents, to schedule only one P5 per year, which means we only get a P5 home game every other year.

Is the decision effective? I'll take any metric you want to make a case for: attendance, winning, financial, rankings, recruiting, etc.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but will answer straight.

Pro: Get extra wins. Sometimes an extra home game, albeit against unattractive opponents.

Con: Almost everything else. I would trade one Mississippi State home game for two Mercer & Georgia State home games all day, every year from now to infinity. Or one Arkansas game, one Ole Miss game, one UTK game, one Missouri game . . . I prefer quality over quantity. If this costs us winning 8 games versus winning 9 games one year, that's ok with me.

Our average attendance, which is how school's home attendance is ranked, would go up. E.g., let's say one Mississippi State game at 50K attendance versus two Mercer/So Alabama games at 25K each.

Definitely would help our recruiting. Definitely we would make more money.

My main point is don't buy the narrative that has been pitched that we can't schedule two or even three P5 games per year. It's actually easier now to do this, since the P5 conferences are backing away from scheduling FCS games, opening more slots for Group of 5 teams.

I'm talking about the bolded statement above. You take a position that indicates Bowen and the coaches are screwing up with this philosophy. I'm saying...whatever...it's working.

By all measures what Bowen and the coaches are doing with football is working. You say attendance "would" go up by changing philosophy. I'm saying it is already up at historic levels. You say recruiting "would" go up. I'm saying it is already up at historic levels. You're talking possibilities and I'm saying look at facts.

It just seems you're looking at it myopically wanting a higher quality game. Heck, I think we would all like a P5 game, all things equal - and by that, I mean 7 home games, still a covey of wins, no embarrassing losses, etc.

I'm challenging you to look at it from the coaches, admin, players, media perspective. Heck, even the mass of fans who are enjoying the run AND the 7 home games each year. What we are doing is working.
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(08-14-2017 03:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 03:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just see no upside in playing So AL, GSU, So IL, now NTXSt, UTSA & Mercer. Makes no sense, especially H&H.

We need a minimum of two P5 games per year - and look no further than our AAC conference mates to see it is being done routinely - still, right now it's being done or look at our schedules in years past. We need to win in-conference & play big games OOC competitively (& win most). And have to add, would you rather see the Tigers play So IL or Southern Miss, Mercer or Southern Miss, GSU or Southern Miss, etc etc. When we can't get the P-5 games (& I think we can), we should schedule Southern Miss or UAB (if we don't have to play at Legion Field).

I think Boise has done it better than anybody and they've made it to the Fiesta Bowl three times. Their OOC opponents those seasons:

2006 Sacramento St., Oregon State, Wyoming, Utah
2009 Oregon, Miami-Ohio, BGSU, UC-Davis
2014 olemiss, UL-Lafatette, UConnn, BYU

Each of those three seasons they played only one P5 school.

You are talking about different eras. The BCS era ended in 2013, IIRC, so there was no P5 for the '06 and '09 seasons.

And BYU should be considered a P5. And Utah would soon join the Pac 12.

And, who cares what Boise did? Tiger fans deserve a better home schedule.
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(08-14-2017 03:40 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

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We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.



but we didn't make any money. most of those tickets were freebies

Are you saying that RC papered the crowds?
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(08-14-2017 11:40 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 10:05 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  please, Memphis has home games with UCLA, Ole Miss, Mizzou, and Miss State coming up.

I guess some of the local yokels miss the losing seasons and the 'up the middle in a cloud of dust' offense just because we played them thar' SEC teams more.

don't mess with a good thing.


"Ground Chuck" is a lie. Look at the offense he ran when he had Steve Matthews at QB with Bruce and Cody to throw to. I recall a very balanced attack.

I was talking talking about those 'rip roarin' Tigers'...you're going before my time.
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Brigham Young is not P5.

Period.
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(08-14-2017 04:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Brigham Young is not P5.

Period.

Big 10 and ACC seem to disagree with you: http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/12/big-1...quirement/

"Beginning in 2017, ACC schools must play one non-conference game against a Power Five team (or BYU or Notre Dame)."
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(08-14-2017 04:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 04:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Brigham Young is not P5.

Period.

Big 10 and ACC seem to disagree with you: http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/12/big-1...quirement/

"Beginning in 2017, ACC schools must play one non-conference game against a Power Five team (or BYU or Notre Dame)."

And, according to this article, the SEC disagrees too: https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/9...-not-uconn

"It went without saying that Notre Dame would be considered a Power 5 team for the sake of this scheduling rule. At Media Days, I asked Delany if BYU would also count, and he said yes. Nobody could really complain about that. The ACC and SEC also consider BYU to be a Power 5 program for the sake of scheduling, and the Cougars have been, at minimum, a top 40 program for the last several years. BYU recruits like a lower-tier Power 5 team, plays like a mid-tier Power 5 team, and travels like an elite program. That makes total sense."
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I don't understand why "how a team travels" is a barometer of anything a team does on the field.
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(08-14-2017 05:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I don't understand why "how a team travels" is a barometer of anything a team does on the field.

It makes the school money because their fans buy tickets.
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(08-14-2017 05:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I don't understand why "how a team travels" is a barometer of anything a team does on the field.

You guys are getting sidetracked. All we were talking about is scheduling. The P5's, and most of college football fandom, consider BYU a Power 5 level team when on their schedules.

This thread is about scheduling, not literal membership.
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According to the SEC, Army is also P5, because like BYU, several members have future series with them.

SEC making a scheduling policy does not give you P5 rights.
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(08-14-2017 04:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 03:51 PM)btiger Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 03:40 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, 3601, but you can't just pick the DeAngelo/Wimprine year as an example, and apply its results across many years.

Whether winning or losing, quality of opponent is the biggest driver of crowd size for the U of M. Weather is probably the 2nd biggest contributor.

I
We didn't play a single SEC opponent in 2004, yet we led the league in attendance that year.



but we didn't make any money. most of those tickets were freebies

Are you saying that RC papered the crowds?

No!!! Just showing, once again, that his specialty is bating and stirring the pot.... and I will give him soccer.

While FedEx did get a lot of tickets at a reduced rate, that wasn't nearly the only reason that was the highest average in the history of the U of M. Nobody said that in 2003, which was only an avg of 500 per games less than '04.

He's definitely a master!
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