What if they changed the OT rules to improve player safety? If tied after two overtimes, they could almost ensure it goes no further than 3.

1. Do a new coin flip.

2. If the first offense scores a field goal, the second has to score a TD to win.

3. If they score a TD and extra point, the second has to go for two if they score a TD.

4. If in an odd circumstance it is still tied after that, then repeat the process, including the coin flip.

(08-10-2017 06:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What if they changed the OT rules to improve player safety? If tied after two overtimes, they could almost ensure it goes no further than 3.

Let's face it: Football actually is what Ralph Nader falsely said about cars, it's "unsafe at any speed".

If you play football, you will probably lose brain cells. It's a dumb game to play.

Meh. Forget OT. Just alternate FG kicks from increasing distance until someone misses.

or go for 2, instead of xpoint to send game into OT
not settle for FG to put game in OT, instead of going for TD
ultimatly, there the same 2 seniro's that win in OT
coaches start playing for OT in 3rd Q
6 ties yr before OT started, 1st yr 35 OT games
they didn't fix the promblem, they created it

My changes.

Kickoff is eliminated. Kicking team starts with the ball at their own 35 and can either punt, or try to pick up 20 yards on one play to gain a first down, or attempt an 82 yard(ish) FG . If they run an offensive play and are unsuccessful "receiving team" can elect to take the ball at the end of the play or the line of scrimmage.

Touchdown is worth 7 points. After scoring the offense can elect to not run a try down or can run a try down play worth 2 points. If the try is unsuccessful the defense is awarded one point, if the try is unsuccessful and the defense gains possession and scores a touchdown, the defense is awarded an additional 1 point.

Overtime
Team playing defense first cannot attempt a FG unless the team playing offense first attempted one.
First round of possessions starts at the 25. If the team playing offense first scores in four or more plays, the team going second has to score in the same or fewer plays to extend overtime. If the first offense scores in 1-3 plays, the second team has four plays to match.
If both teams score in a round of overtime, the next possession starts 5 yards further back.

(08-10-2017 09:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  My changes.

Kickoff is eliminated. Kicking team starts with the ball at their own 35 and can either punt, or try to pick up 20 yards on one play to gain a first down, or attempt an 82 yard(ish) FG . If they run an offensive play and are unsuccessful "receiving team" can elect to take the ball at the end of the play or the line of scrimmage.

Touchdown is worth 7 points. After scoring the offense can elect to not run a try down or can run a try down play worth 2 points. If the try is unsuccessful the defense is awarded one point, if the try is unsuccessful and the defense gains possession and scores a touchdown, the defense is awarded an additional 1 point.

Overtime
Team playing defense first cannot attempt a FG unless the team playing offense first attempted one.
First round of possessions starts at the 25. If the team playing offense first scores in four or more plays, the team going second has to score in the same or fewer plays to extend overtime. If the first offense scores in 1-3 plays, the second team has four plays to match.
If both teams score in a round of overtime, the next possession starts 5 yards further back.

Like this thinking generally, but would like to simplify it:

- Kickoff is eliminated.
- Receiving team simply gets the ball at the __ (25, 30, 35 ?) and normal play starts from there, for the half

- Touchdown is worth 7 points, FG is worth 3 points
- After scoring a TD, offense can elect to run one play to try to earn one extra point. But if they aren't successful, the extra point goes to the defense. No defensive TD can be scored, so in the case of a turnover the try immediate ends with the defense earning the extra point. OR, the scoring offense can elect not to run the extra point try.

Overtime
- each team gets one possession at the opponent's 25yd line, per OT period
- extra point tries MUST be attempted on every TD score
- no FG are allowed after the first two OT periods

(08-10-2017 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 09:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  My changes.

Kickoff is eliminated. Kicking team starts with the ball at their own 35 and can either punt, or try to pick up 20 yards on one play to gain a first down, or attempt an 82 yard(ish) FG . If they run an offensive play and are unsuccessful "receiving team" can elect to take the ball at the end of the play or the line of scrimmage.

Touchdown is worth 7 points. After scoring the offense can elect to not run a try down or can run a try down play worth 2 points. If the try is unsuccessful the defense is awarded one point, if the try is unsuccessful and the defense gains possession and scores a touchdown, the defense is awarded an additional 1 point.

Overtime
Team playing defense first cannot attempt a FG unless the team playing offense first attempted one.
First round of possessions starts at the 25. If the team playing offense first scores in four or more plays, the team going second has to score in the same or fewer plays to extend overtime. If the first offense scores in 1-3 plays, the second team has four plays to match.
If both teams score in a round of overtime, the next possession starts 5 yards further back.

Like this thinking generally, but would like to simplify it:

- Kickoff is eliminated.
- Receiving team simply gets the ball at the __ (25, 30, 35 ?) and normal play starts from there, for the half

- Touchdown is worth 7 points, FG is worth 3 points
- After scoring a TD, offense can elect to run one play to try to earn one extra point. But if they aren't successful, the extra point goes to the defense. No defensive TD can be scored, so in the case of a turnover the try immediate ends with the defense earning the extra point. OR, the scoring offense can elect not to run the extra point try.

Overtime
- each team gets one possession at the opponent's 25yd line, per OT period
- extra point tries MUST be attempted on every TD score
- no FG are allowed after the first two OT periods

I put the punt/go for it option in because simply alternating possession eliminates the drama of the low reward onside kick attempt. Trailing by 9 with two minutes left, no timeouts and the ball, you've lost. Even if you score a TD, you aren't getting the ball back. At least with the "onside" option there is still a glimmer of hope.

Just bring back the "tie"

Ties are so ugly, heck no.

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

If it isn't settled in 2 overtimes call it a tie. This puts pressure on t he coaches to ensure it doesn't end that way. A tie is not that bad a thing.


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(08-10-2017 05:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

Well then maybe Jacksonville State should have held on to the ball or conversely Auburn shouldn't have let it get that close. Like I said, after 2 OT's, just force them to end it.

They already play too few games to determine much as it is. Imagine if the last team out of the playoffs tied with the last team in, both with equal records. What a mess.

(08-10-2017 05:15 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If it isn't settled in 2 overtimes call it a tie. This puts pressure on t he coaches to ensure it doesn't end that way. A tie is not that bad a thing.


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That works fine also, though not for me because I hate ties.

Though I know it's not up to me (before you say anything).

(08-10-2017 05:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

This.

Ties would be infrequent in any event; teams that score a TD late in the game can always go for 2 if they hate ties so much; overtime in the regular season is unnecessary...

... and, because player safety is what the thread is supposed to be about:

Making players play OT in regular-season games is like making them play at least part of an extra regular-season game, and if you believe the so-called "stewards of the game", player safety is the reason they don't want a larger playoff or more regular-season games, so take the presidents and commissioners at their word and get rid of regular season OTs.

(08-10-2017 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 06:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What if they changed the OT rules to improve player safety? If tied after two overtimes, they could almost ensure it goes no further than 3.

Let's face it: Football actually is what Ralph Nader falsely said about cars, it's "unsafe at any speed".

If you play football, you will probably lose brain cells. It's a dumb game to play.

Not sure why it's so darn difficult for Americans to comprehend this. No one is forcing your 5'5 slow son to play on the football team. If you don't plan on playing in the NFL or using it to get a free education in college DONT DO IT. If you do because you just enjoy the game then you know what you are getting into.

Football does not need to be changed to be made safe.

12 & 13 YR old comprehend this
just like the rams butting heads
i got bad ankles, broken neck, soldiers are gone
i don't regret any of it
that does't mean common sence shouldn't prevail

(08-10-2017 06:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 05:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

This.

Ties would be infrequent in any event; teams that score a TD late in the game can always go for 2 if they hate ties so much; overtime in the regular season is unnecessary...

... and, because player safety is what the thread is supposed to be about:

Making players play OT in regular-season games is like making them play at least part of an extra regular-season game, and if you believe the so-called "stewards of the game", player safety is the reason they don't want a larger playoff or more regular-season games, so take the presidents and commissioners at their word and get rid of regular season OTs.

We didn't get a lot of ties because except in certain circumstances you needed to play for the win. Ties typically happened when down three and kicking a late FG to tie or team went for a tie when there was still enough time to have another possession or more and no one found their way to score. Scoring a TD on a likely last possession and choosing a tie wasn't that common. Now teams are often content to play for the tie.

I looked at AState's records, since OT was adopted we've played six overtime games, the same number of years before overtime, AState had six ties. That wouldn't seem to make my point BUT among teams that have been I-A/FBS the entire time since OT was adopted Colorado State, Florida State, Kansas State, Miami (OH), North Texas, and Texas are the only schools to play fewer OT's than AState and Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina also have played only 6.

From 1894 to 1995 Arkansas had 40 ties, since 1996 18 overtimes. From 1891 to 1995 Tennessee had 54 ties, since 1996 19 overtimes.

Fresno may be the first of the established programs to play more overtimes than ties, they had 28 ties since 1921 and 17 overtimes.

(08-10-2017 05:48 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 05:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

Well then maybe Jacksonville State should have held on to the ball or conversely Auburn shouldn't have let it get that close. Like I said, after 2 OT's, just force them to end it.

They already play too few games to determine much as it is. Imagine if the last team out of the playoffs tied with the last team in, both with equal records. What a mess.

If there was no overtime, Jacksonville State - Auburn wouldn't have been a tie. Auburn would have gone for two and either lost or won in regulation.

(08-10-2017 06:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 05:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 04:15 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Just bring back the "tie"

Ain't nothing wrong with ties.
1993 a TERRIBLE Arkansas State team played over its head and got a tie at Miss St. That goes to overtime 85% chance Bulldogs win it. Players on a crappy team don't get their moment.

2015 FCS Jacksonville State has Auburn on the ropes until their punter shanks it and gives Auburn the ball with 31 yards to go with 1:55 left. Auburn gets a TD, settles for a PAT and overtime. Auburn scores a TD in OT then holds Jax St for the win. Without OT, Auburn is faced with kick the PAT and accept the tie or run one play for all the marbles on a 2pt conversion, fail and it's down to recovering an onside kick with 39 second left to save Auburn's hide.

This.

Ties would be infrequent in any event; teams that score a TD late in the game can always go for 2 if they hate ties so much; overtime in the regular season is unnecessary...

... and, because player safety is what the thread is supposed to be about:

Making players play OT in regular-season games is like making them play at least part of an extra regular-season game, and if you believe the so-called "stewards of the game", player safety is the reason they don't want a larger playoff or more regular-season games, so take the presidents and commissioners at their word and get rid of regular season OTs.

Compromise: allow ties in the regular season, but bring back OT for conference championship games & bowls.