(08-09-2017 12:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Most Overrated:
Lane Kiffin
Will Muschamp
Lovie Smith
Larry Fedora

Most Underrated:
Bill Snyder
David Cutcliffe
Scott Satterfield
Mark Richt
James Franklin

Great list. The CBS thing smells of jealousy.

It seems to me that Dave Clawson at Wake Forest deserves at least an honorable mention as underrated. He rebuilt two FCS programs into playoff teams. He rebuilt Bowling Green into a MAC champion. Now he's winning (albeit barely so far) at Wake Forest, which cannot possibly be easy.

It depends on what metrics you're measuring. Sagan isn't especially great w/ X's and O's, but he can flat out recruit (players and coaches), and he can play the political game necessary to secure the resources needed to win.

(08-09-2017 02:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 12:45 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I have higher regard for guys like Saban who can win at places with lofty expectations. I respect Bill Snyder, but how much pressure is on him to go 8-4 at Kansas State?

When it comes to everything but recruiting, Bill Snyder is the best coach out there. Nobody else could go 8-4 with his talent. And at KSU, it isn't easy to recruit blue chips. He simply outworks everyone else.

Also, there are the people who worked under him and how they have done. This 2015 article rates Snyder's coaching tree as the current best in college football. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26029...e-football

Bill Synder one of the Top 10 All Time Great's

Just look @ the History of K-St B4 Synder
Middle of nowhere/no one cares location
Look @ recruiting ratings & rankings under Synder
He gets more out of an avg player than anyone
No one coaches fundamentals like Synder

Imagine IF He had ever coach a Top 5 Blue Blood school
He would have had Saben type success

I think Saban is more over-hyped than overrated. He's had Alabama at or near the top for eons by college football standards.

Having a howitzer doesn't guarantee success. See Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Texas, etc.

(08-09-2017 12:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Most Overrated:
Lane Kiffin
Will Muschamp
Lovie Smith
Larry Fedora

Most Underrated:
Bill Snyder
David Cutcliffe
Scott Satterfield
Mark Richt
James Franklin

Will Muschamp may be fired at the end of the season. I don't know what South Carolina was thinking when he was hired.

Lovie Smith was brought in for one reason- To get Cook County (Chicago) kids to consider staying in state and playing football at Illinois. Smith is the right hire for Illinois. Illinois is one undervalued athletic department. They have a good AD. They hired Smith. Next- Fire and hire and new basketball coach.

Mark Richt is the right hire for Miami. He is the coach the school has been looking for.

(08-09-2017 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  And for another take on this topic, let's go to Steve Spurrier...

Quote:Roy Lang III‏
@RoyLangIII

"You can have good ball players and still not win football games -- all you LSU fans know about that."
Steve Spurrier.
@IndyBowl

10:29 AM - 9 Aug 2017

I agree that Chris Petersen is truly a gem. Flying under too many radar screens is David Cutcliffe.

Overated Head Coaches:

1. Harbaugh: He's really good and may become great but right now you would think he was an unholy genetically engineered test tube baby comprised of Bear Bryant, Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes, and Vince Lombardi's genetic profiles. He's not.

2. Gus Malzahn: He really is an offensive genius, but he is also a non communicative, micro managing, underachieving, collector of talent. Auburn has had 3 QB's that should have been successful. Gus can't develop them. They either come great or perish under fire. That's not a coach. It's an offensive coordinator pretending he knows how to coach.

3. Urban Meyer: He is an excellent CEO but at both Florida and Ohio State his down years have come when truly gifted OC's departed. Dan Mullen is over achieving at Miss State. Tom Herman quickly achieved at Houston. So Urban's talent is in assembling and managing a staff. If he doesn't have all of the pieces he needs to do the actual coaching under him then things drop off. I think he would be an excellent NFL coach.

4. Mark Richt: He is a class guy who did just enough to stay employed in one of the most talent rich states in the country. He'll win at Miami, but I doubt it will be championships.

5. Ed Orgeron: Fantastic recruiter and a tremendous motivator of players. Has yet to prove he can succeed consistently as a Head Coach. He could be a diamond in the rough, or he could just be rough. We'll see.

Underrated:

1. Dan Mullen: He's sneaky smart with recruiting and wins with much less talent than many realize. He is arguably at the 13th best program in the SEC and competes in the Western Division and seldom are his Bulldogs not in the game. He had one rough season when transitioning between Prescott to a newbie at QB. Some larger program out there needs to look at what he did offensively at Florida and then take a very close look at what he has achieved at Miss State.

2. James Franklin: He won at Vandy for crying out loud! Then he's done quite a bit to bring Penn State out of the Paterno Pitt.

3. Mike Gundy: Give me one good reason he's still at Oklahoma State besides Boone Pickens.

4. Dabo Swinney: People need to realize that there is more here than irrational exuberance. One day he'll go home to "Momma" and replace Nick at Bama. He's rebuilt Clemson without getting caught doing something stupid. He'll be fine.

5. Chris Petersen: He's simply stellar. I saved the best for last.

Urban Meyer? He's a lot like Saban - he's won everywhere.

Urban went 17-6 in two years at freaking Bowling Green (which was coming off a 2-9 year with 6 straight losing seasons), then took over a struggling Utah program and lost only 2 games in 2 years.

(08-14-2017 05:36 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  And for another take on this topic, let's go to Steve Spurrier...

Quote:Roy Lang III‏
@RoyLangIII

"You can have good ball players and still not win football games -- all you LSU fans know about that."
Steve Spurrier.
@IndyBowl

10:29 AM - 9 Aug 2017

I agree that Chris Petersen is truly a gem. Flying under too many radar screens is David Cutcliffe.

Overated Head Coaches:

1. Harbaugh: He's really good and may become great but right now you would think he was an unholy genetically engineered test tube baby comprised of Bear Bryant, Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes, and Vince Lombardi's genetic profiles. He's not.

2. Gus Malzahn: He really is an offensive genius, but he is also a non communicative, micro managing, underachieving, collector of talent. Auburn has had 3 QB's that should have been successful. Gus can't develop them. They either come great or perish under fire. That's not a coach. It's an offensive coordinator pretending he knows how to coach.

3. Urban Meyer: He is an excellent CEO but at both Florida and Ohio State his down years have come when truly gifted OC's departed. Dan Mullen is over achieving at Miss State. Tom Herman quickly achieved at Houston. So Urban's talent is in assembling and managing a staff. If he doesn't have all of the pieces he needs to do the actual coaching under him then things drop off. I think he would be an excellent NFL coach.

4. Mark Richt: He is a class guy who did just enough to stay employed in one of the most talent rich states in the country. He'll win at Miami, but I doubt it will be championships.

5. Ed Orgeron: Fantastic recruiter and a tremendous motivator of players. Has yet to prove he can succeed consistently as a Head Coach. He could be a diamond in the rough, or he could just be rough. We'll see.

Underrated:

1. Dan Mullen: He's sneaky smart with recruiting and wins with much less talent than many realize. He is arguably at the 13th best program in the SEC and competes in the Western Division and seldom are his Bulldogs not in the game. He had one rough season when transitioning between Prescott to a newbie at QB. Some larger program out there needs to look at what he did offensively at Florida and then take a very close look at what he has achieved at Miss State.

2. James Franklin: He won at Vandy for crying out loud! Then he's done quite a bit to bring Penn State out of the Paterno Pitt.

3. Mike Gundy: Give me one good reason he's still at Oklahoma State besides Boone Pickens.

4. Dabo Swinney: People need to realize that there is more here than irrational exuberance. One day he'll go home to "Momma" and replace Nick at Bama. He's rebuilt Clemson without getting caught doing something stupid. He'll be fine.

5. Chris Petersen: He's simply stellar. I saved the best for last.

Urban Meyer? He's a lot like Saban - he's won everywhere.

Urban went 17-6 in two years at freaking Bowling Green (which was coming off a 2-9 year with 6 straight losing seasons), then took over a struggling Utah program and lost only 2 games in 2 years.

Urban Meyer is a great coach. His first 4 years at Bowling Green & Utah were spectacular. 2001-2004. His 2004 team at Utah blew out Texas A&M (41-21) Big East champ Pitt (35-7)in the Fiesta Bowl, a blowout win over BYU (52-21) and blowouts over Arizona (23-6) and North Carolina (46-16)

Is Bill Snyder really underrated?

I think of him as perhaps the best coach to ever coach the game. The media gushes every time it talks about his achievements, which are incredible.

Bill's problem with recognition stems from the same place his glory does, K-State.

You can make an argument that Saban falls on either side of the isle here. The Ole Ball Coach talked about how "anybody" could win at Alabama. That's somewhat true. Given the resources here you don't have to be the best coach of all time to do well.

In contrast, to podium finish at K-State takes a God.