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(08-08-2017 07:31 PM)edinburger Wrote:  We're one of the few conferences with lower average attendance for the tournament than the regular season. We should go with the suggestion someone posted here to hold the tournament at the winner of the previous regular season.

No! It just needs to be rotated like all other WAC championships, through each school. That is the only true fair way to do it.

Same needs to be done for baseball.
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UVU might average that on paper through numbers fudging but certainly not by people actually at the games. Not even close. Also 3,000 plus for Cal Baptist first year in D1 is way too optimistic.
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(08-08-2017 09:22 PM)Clarity Wrote:  UVU might average that on paper through numbers fudging but certainly not by people actually at the games. Not even close. Also 3,000 plus for Cal Baptist first year in D1 is way too optimistic.
With 8,500 students I would disagree. GCU was averaging about 5500 with a student body that size.
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GCU is a very very different scenario though.
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A private, Christian university transitioning from D2 to D1 with an invitation from the WAC that has made a significant investment into improving its athletics, as evidenced by building a 5000+ seat arena.

You're right. Sounds like a TOTALLY different scenario than GCU.
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(08-08-2017 11:47 PM)gleadley Wrote:  A private, Christian university transitioning from D2 to D1 with an invitation from the WAC that has made a significant investment into improving its athletics, as evidenced by building a 5000+ seat arena.

You're right. Sounds like a TOTALLY different scenario than GCU.
To be fair, the market is a little bit smaller.
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Cal Baptist isn't for profit or have the Collangelos working with them. They also don't have a very popular local former NBA player coaching them. They don't have a near unlimited amount of resources that the online portion of GCU allows them. GCU is dumping all of their money made through profit into their athletics that much is obvious. Not every private christian university is GCU. Look at Liberty, quite a bit of money yet no basketball results. They play in an 8,000 capacity arena by the way. Also another massive factor is that Riverside is not one of the biggest cities in America, Phoenix. Thinking it's the exact same scenario as GCU is very ignorant.
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Well, Cal Baptist is building a 5,200 seat arena. Nobody is saying they will pack that arena like GCU did early on when they first built GCU arena (at 5,000). So, 3K does sound attainable for Cal Baptist. It's less than half the amount GCU is currently pulling in per game.
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(08-09-2017 12:20 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Cal Baptist isn't for profit or have the Collangelos working with them. They also don't have a very popular local former NBA player coaching them. They don't have a near unlimited amount of resources that the online portion of GCU allows them. GCU is dumping all of their money made through profit into their athletics that much is obvious. Not every private christian university is GCU. Look at Liberty, quite a bit of money yet no basketball results. They play in an 8,000 capacity arena by the way. Also another massive factor is that Riverside is not one of the biggest cities in America, Phoenix. Thinking it's the exact same scenario as GCU is very ignorant.

We are still talking about attendance, right? I'm not sure what tax status or Jerry Colangelo has to do with butts in seats. Cal Baptist has a very successful D2 basketball program, led by a strong coach with D1 roots. Riverside is a smaller market, but that also means Cal Baptist has less competition for entertainment dollars.

I'm not sure who said "it's the exact same scenario as GCU", but there are similarities that lead me to believe Cal Baptist can muster the campus, alumni, and community support to have their new building more than half full within a season or two. Here is what we know about what happened when GCU opened the arena:

GCU averaged 1175 their final season in Antelope Gym (2010-11).
Attendance for the first season in GCU Arena jumped to 2278.
There was a slight bump (to 2396) for Y1 to Y2 in the Arena, which would be the last D2 season.
The jump to D1 in 2013-14 also meant a 2000/game jump in average attendance, to 4373.
GCU has only gone up from there.

Cal Baptist had above average attendance for D2 last season, but was still short of drawing what GCU had before moving into the new digs. How about we see how Cal Baptist does in attendance this first season in their new building before we go throwing the word "ignorant" around?
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For profit isn't just tax status lmao you make a **** ton of money and get your name out there and dump all of that into athletics. A lot of people know who GCU is, nobody knows who Cal Baptist is. The Colangelos help with marketing as well. In fact they were already known before they were D1 from their online school and cheesy commercials. Having a popular former NBA star as your coach also helps but you didn't mention that of course. Nobody in Riverside outside of students are going to care about Cal Baptist in their first D1 season. Why the lack of numbers at Liberty then? They are a huge university with money. The point is not every private Christian school is GCU.
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