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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.
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(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
ECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
SECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

FIFY
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-16-2017 11:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.

True.

My concern would be how one qualifies for the CCG. Would there be semis or a rotation based on pods?

Unless we're guaranteed to have semis then winning that division would be much easier than winning the others in most years. Whereas a couple of those divisions would be murderer's row.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-16-2017 02:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 11:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.

True.

My concern would be how one qualifies for the CCG. Would there be semis or a rotation based on pods?

Unless we're guaranteed to have semis then winning that division would be much easier than winning the others in most years. Whereas a couple of those divisions would be murderer's row.

Yes there would be semis. Win your division (inclusive of your other conference schedule) and you go to the semis.

You would play everyone in your division every year, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, and you would rotate a game with 1 member of each other division annually. In three years you will have played everyone, kept all of your rivals, and have twice the chance you have now to make the CCG.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.
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(08-16-2017 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.

They'd have to join in full. Notre Dame ultimately would as well.

The new iteration of the P4 with a playoff will likely guarantee a champs only format.
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