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Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
It would make more sense for the PAC to take 6 to form a new eastern division.

You force the B1G to expand by passing autonomy saying that only conferences with 16+ & multiple divisions can hold conference SF's. Having 3/4 of the power conferences, ESPN can do whatever they want. Including passing rules to weaken their competition.


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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-13-2017 07:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It would make more sense for the PAC to take 6 to form a new eastern division.

You force the B1G to expand by passing autonomy saying that only conferences with 16+ & multiple divisions can hold conference SF's. Having 3/4 of the power conferences, ESPN can do whatever they want. Including passing rules to weaken their competition.


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The PAC may be more willing to expand by 3, and pass autonomy as you said for 15 instead. Depending on who they take (Texas, Tech, Kansas, with OK/State to SEC, WVA to ACC), the Big 10 is still left with subobtimal choices.
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Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-13-2017 08:36 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 07:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It would make more sense for the PAC to take 6 to form a new eastern division.

You force the B1G to expand by passing autonomy saying that only conferences with 16+ & multiple divisions can hold conference SF's. Having 3/4 of the power conferences, ESPN can do whatever they want. Including passing rules to weaken their competition.


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The PAC may be more willing to expand by 3, and pass autonomy as you said for 15 instead. Depending on who they take (Texas, Tech, Kansas, with OK/State to SEC, WVA to ACC), the Big 10 is still left with subobtimal choices.


Adding only 3 would disrupt their current divisional lineup & 15 causes some scheduling issues but 15 is doable.


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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-13-2017 08:44 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 08:36 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 07:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It would make more sense for the PAC to take 6 to form a new eastern division.

You force the B1G to expand by passing autonomy saying that only conferences with 16+ & multiple divisions can hold conference SF's. Having 3/4 of the power conferences, ESPN can do whatever they want. Including passing rules to weaken their competition.


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The PAC may be more willing to expand by 3, and pass autonomy as you said for 15 instead. Depending on who they take (Texas, Tech, Kansas, with OK/State to SEC, WVA to ACC), the Big 10 is still left with subobtimal choices.


Adding only 3 would disrupt their current divisional lineup & 15 causes some scheduling issues but 15 is doable.


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I dont think the PAC would stick with 15. I could Kansas St getting a lifeline here.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-12-2017 06:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 05:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's take another tack here guys.

Yesterday the markets reflected an entirely different reality to what Disney has proposed. CBNC analysts seem to think that in 2019 Disney will be the cable provider and streaming provider. Think about it. Right now DirectTV/ATT, Charter/Spectrum, WOW, and other cable providers are all reassessing everything. Disney announced that Netflix will not have any Disney programming to offer at the start of 2019. Disney is pulling it all back and they are going to provide their own package of Disney products & ESPN's offerings as an entity. Who knows? They may wind up offering other premium movie channels as part of the package.

What will happen is you won't have 400 channels where 1/3rd of them are shopping and advertising channels. Right now getting live sports is the leader that all of the other cable services pay to have so that they can make money off of the other crap channels that pay them to sell their stuff. Throw in TV rerun channels and add the various History / Geogrpahic /Smitsonian channels and that's your package. We if Disney pulls ESPN from those to launch their own the SEC and ACC stand to make even more because the middle man is cut out and Disney will be keeping all of the profits up front.

Such a package might not offer the PACN & BTN if they aren't with ESPN. Suddenly without ESPN to get the eyes for them they are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That's tremendous leverage for Disney.

But as to the SEC and ACC realignment issues go consider this:

Oklahoma, Kansas to the SEC & Texas to the ACC with N.D. all in is the absolute home run for the two conferences. But if UT and OU insist on little brothers too then perhaps this is the best way to go:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State to the SEC.
Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia to the ACC. N.D. goes all in.

We can hope for the first option and prepare to settle for something like the second.

Now if the Big 10 does a reverse and divests itself from the BTN and goes with an ESPN held model of the BTN then those divisions of property could be quite different.

Texas and Kansas to the Big 10.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC.
Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC.
Texas Tech, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the AAC or PAC.

Who has all of the viewer data from.......forever? ESPN
Who knows which match-ups will garner the largest audiences? ESPN

Just when you thought you knew everything about realignment.......the onion gets peeled back one additional layer.

Well if they simply went by that X they would have parsed the ACC long ago and would have saved the Big 12 (in its original form).

But if it was purely based on ratings they would want both Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC.


You always seem to miss the big picture.
ESPN knew that if they were ever going to flesh out ESPNU as a network, they were going to need inventory, good inventory for time other than Labor Day thru Thanksgiving. The ACC gives them an excellent variety of championship level spring sports all located in the Eastern Time Zone. BTW, we aren't too bad at football either!
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-13-2017 07:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 06:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 05:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's take another tack here guys.

Yesterday the markets reflected an entirely different reality to what Disney has proposed. CBNC analysts seem to think that in 2019 Disney will be the cable provider and streaming provider. Think about it. Right now DirectTV/ATT, Charter/Spectrum, WOW, and other cable providers are all reassessing everything. Disney announced that Netflix will not have any Disney programming to offer at the start of 2019. Disney is pulling it all back and they are going to provide their own package of Disney products & ESPN's offerings as an entity. Who knows? They may wind up offering other premium movie channels as part of the package.

What will happen is you won't have 400 channels where 1/3rd of them are shopping and advertising channels. Right now getting live sports is the leader that all of the other cable services pay to have so that they can make money off of the other crap channels that pay them to sell their stuff. Throw in TV rerun channels and add the various History / Geogrpahic /Smitsonian channels and that's your package. We if Disney pulls ESPN from those to launch their own the SEC and ACC stand to make even more because the middle man is cut out and Disney will be keeping all of the profits up front.

Such a package might not offer the PACN & BTN if they aren't with ESPN. Suddenly without ESPN to get the eyes for them they are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That's tremendous leverage for Disney.

But as to the SEC and ACC realignment issues go consider this:

Oklahoma, Kansas to the SEC & Texas to the ACC with N.D. all in is the absolute home run for the two conferences. But if UT and OU insist on little brothers too then perhaps this is the best way to go:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State to the SEC.
Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia to the ACC. N.D. goes all in.

We can hope for the first option and prepare to settle for something like the second.

Now if the Big 10 does a reverse and divests itself from the BTN and goes with an ESPN held model of the BTN then those divisions of property could be quite different.

Texas and Kansas to the Big 10.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC.
Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC.
Texas Tech, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the AAC or PAC.

Who has all of the viewer data from.......forever? ESPN
Who knows which match-ups will garner the largest audiences? ESPN

Just when you thought you knew everything about realignment.......the onion gets peeled back one additional layer.

Well if they simply went by that X they would have parsed the ACC long ago and would have saved the Big 12 (in its original form).

But if it was purely based on ratings they would want both Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC.


You always seem to miss the big picture.
ESPN knew that if they were ever going to flesh out ESPNU as a network, they were going to need inventory, good inventory for time other than Labor Day thru Thanksgiving. The ACC gives them an excellent variety of championship level spring sports all located in the Eastern Time Zone. BTW, we aren't too bad at football either!

We do pretty darned well with spring sports as well! Just saying!
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-13-2017 08:44 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 08:36 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 07:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It would make more sense for the PAC to take 6 to form a new eastern division.

You force the B1G to expand by passing autonomy saying that only conferences with 16+ & multiple divisions can hold conference SF's. Having 3/4 of the power conferences, ESPN can do whatever they want. Including passing rules to weaken their competition.


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The PAC may be more willing to expand by 3, and pass autonomy as you said for 15 instead. Depending on who they take (Texas, Tech, Kansas, with OK/State to SEC, WVA to ACC), the Big 10 is still left with subobtimal choices.


Adding only 3 would disrupt their current divisional lineup & 15 causes some scheduling issues but 15 is doable.


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I think 15 members is an optimal number for a conference if it’s allowed to have 3 divisions of 5. Each school is able to play every member in its division and another division each season for 9 conference games. Consequently, each division can play all the schools in the other 2 divisions within a two year span and host every school within a four year span. Adding two additional school makes the aforementioned impossible with 9 conference games. My point: OSU could be profitable to the SEC in a 3 divisions of 5 arrangement; OU is profitable regardless….
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
ECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
ECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
ECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

Yep, that works quite nicely.
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