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(08-08-2017 09:11 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  
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(08-07-2017 10:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I know you are trying to negative toward Bailiff, but that came across as being negative toward our players.

He did this before, when McHargue won the three way race. I am sure he will make a choice soon, and am equally sure it will not be made public until the game.

No, you had it right. From the evidence presented last year as well as Bailiff's quotes from earlier this summer, it's clear that QB is not of the strengths of this team.

I went to the scrimmage, Defense is way ahead of the offense.

Strange since the offense has essentially the same OC and the defense has a new OC and is changing schemes. Hope everything comes together on both sides of the ball in time to surprise Stanford!

Not strange. We are installing a new offense. See Pitt's 2016 offense for reference.

Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating based on the new QB coach?
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(08-08-2017 08:54 PM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 09:11 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 02:55 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 04:46 PM)roysterr Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 10:39 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  No, you had it right. From the evidence presented last year as well as Bailiff's quotes from earlier this summer, it's clear that QB is not of the strengths of this team.

I went to the scrimmage, Defense is way ahead of the offense.

Strange since the offense has essentially the same OC and the defense has a new OC and is changing schemes. Hope everything comes together on both sides of the ball in time to surprise Stanford!

Not strange. We are installing a new offense. See Pitt's 2016 offense for reference.

Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating based on the new QB coach?

I'm very certain that we will have a new offensive identity. I am speculating that it will be similar to Pitt's. But my speculation is based upon my observations of practice in the spring and comments from the QBs during the spring. I will see if I can find the references.

Edit: I found the references. http://csnbbs.com/thread-810825-post-141...id14156155 and here is the Rice Thresher article: http://www.ricethresher.org/article/2017...g-practice
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It's the reason Rice grabbed Beschomer. I hear he was instrumental at Pitt in helping to install their offense.
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Would expect to see the touches going to Stewart running the ball and Walter twins speed on perimeter being relied upon for playmaking against Stanford leveraging all the experience up-front on the OL. Cephus emerges as future playmaking star at WR while in short-term QB is a game manager until Smalls and/or Glaesman is ready to go.

I don't like this strategy and am highly suspect for Rice as unless you are at Alabama or LSU, game manager QB's at college level are largely ineffective. Good teams (esp G5 level) have good QB play and that has never been more true than looking at DB's good years vs. DB's bad years.

I expect biggest improvement on D. Sure we will get pushed around for 5 yards a clip type stuff against Stanford but expect to see the explosive 30+ yard plays cut down considerably w/ new coaching, healthy DB's/DL, and new schemes. Don't know if that translates into more W's but should translate into more competitive games/fewer lopsided losses.
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What does "game manager QB" mean?
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(08-09-2017 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does "game manager QB" mean?

Don't turn the ball over. Complete short easy passes. Hand it off to our RBs.
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(08-09-2017 10:45 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does "game manager QB" mean?

Don't turn the ball over. Complete short easy passes. Hand it off to our RBs.

And the alternative that would be better for us?

I don't care if our average pass gains 7 yards if we are completing 70% of them. I like players who don't have TOs. I don't see what the problem is.
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(08-09-2017 10:45 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does "game manager QB" mean?

Don't turn the ball over. Complete short easy passes. Hand it off to our RBs.

Get the play off in time too I hope...but that depends mostly on getting play calls in efficiently.
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(08-09-2017 10:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 10:45 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  [quote='OptimisticOwl' pid='14491697' dateline='1502288746']
What does "game manager QB" mean?

Don't turn the ball over. Complete short easy passes. Hand it off to our RBs.

And the alternative that would be better for us?


To me, it doesn't seem like we have had a quarterback or receivers who were good with long passes for a long while. Our best offenses have combined running with an effective short passing game. That seems consistent with a "game manager" approach. The only thing weaker than our effectiveness at throwing the long bomb has been defending it.
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(08-09-2017 10:45 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does "game manager QB" mean?

Don't turn the ball over. Complete short easy passes. Hand it off to our RBs.


In other words, get the ball to your playmakers.

Works if you have playmakers and those that can open space for them. If not, you get up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt, which is better than up the middle, delay of game, fumble inside your own 20, I suppose.
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