did you guys see this?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/little-league...34926.html

wow, just really sad. Good for Little League for standing up and making this call...

I know I coach youth basketball and if any of my girls did that, wow. It wouldn't have been up to the tourney to do it, and then next practices would be pretty painful.

While punishment was needed, this might go a bit far as the ones who did not do this lose out also. Running some stadium stairs would be more fitting.


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(08-06-2017 10:38 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  While punishment was needed, this might go a bit far as the ones who did not do this lose out also. Running some stadium stairs would be more fitting.


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Overreaction.

so the girls shouldn't learn a hard lesion now rather than in 10 years when a social media post may cost them a job or something really important? Or in 5 years when a college coach may pull a scholarship due to it.

Sounds like the tournament head is very thin-skinned.

12 girls in the top picture --- 6 girls in the "offending" picture.

I get it --- you can't play softball with 6 girls and the team would have to forfeit regardless. But if you're going to take action --- suspend ONLY the offending girls. They screwed up (as it is), not the team as a whole.

The punishment needed to be a little more nuanced.

And the team that benefits from this disqualification? THEY got in trouble earlier in the tournament themselves for illegally stealing signs!

The young ladies have received a life lesson about the destructive consequences of social media (think before you post)...it is a privilege to play in the tournament so I don't want to hear the crying from the team.

the only question I have is would it have happened had it been boys instead of girls. You'd really hope that the DQ would have happened regardless of gender... But you do have to wonder.

Nittany, which team are you referring to as the team that benefited, the team that got to go to the championship instead or the team that won the championship (because they got to face an "easier" team)? Only really asking because the team that got to sub in the champ game ended up getting beat pretty bad, if I recall correctly.


The real question I have is, who stole this picture and reported it? Because the app is clearly snapchat, which I thought wasn't suppose to allow screen shots ... but clearly not the case here. But I'm old, and I don't know these latest do-dads and gizmos that well ....


And so it brings us to the REAL life lesson here, which stever alluded to above, and still absolutely boggles my mind ... boggles ...: DON'T write/say/do anything that can come back to get you via a record!!!!!! Just. Don't. Do. It!!

Don't send an email. Don't write a letter. Don't take a picture. Don't send a text. Make a phone call, or talk in person.

In other words: why did that moment need to be recorded with a picture?? How did that enhance that moment? Were the people you shared that with really that important to you, that it cost you the tournament?

oh and did some looking......
#2 far left on picture.... 11-18 in the tourney with 5 walks.
#11 was 10-21 in the tourney with a walk
#9 was 7-20 in the tourney with a walk

So these were the leaders on the team that were in the picture....

Oh and the account this was on- was a player, so it's possible that 7 of the girls were involved in this.

(08-06-2017 12:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so the girls shouldn't learn a hard lesion now rather than in 10 years when a social media post may cost them a job or something really important? Or in 5 years when a college coach may pull a scholarship due to it.

Proportional penalties both to the "crime" and to the age and maturity of the "guilty" party.

Kapaernick basically gave a middle finger to much of the country and he was getting paid to do this. He didn't immediately get kicked off the team.

(08-06-2017 03:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So these were the leaders on the team that were in the picture....

And? I don't really see all that disturbing of behavior here, unless you're a Quaker or something, I guess.

It was meant to be a private moment, that never would've amounted to diddly-squat. The mistake that was made was recording it, and then sending it to others.

(08-06-2017 02:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Nittany, which team are you referring to as the team that benefited, the team that got to go to the championship instead or the team that won the championship (because they got to face an "easier" team)? Only really asking because the team that got to sub in the champ game ended up getting beat pretty bad, if I recall correctly.

Atlee (team with the bird-flipping young ladies) beat Kirkland in the semifinals. The Kirkland manager and a Kirkland player got kicked out of that semifinal game for stealing signs.

Kirkland was the one who benefited - they went to the Final as a result of that semifinal being forfeited.

Little League had to make that call. Like it or not, they've got a gigantic participation base that starts at Age 8 or 9 and Runs to 17. They've had multiple issues previously on the boys side related to cheating, usually the actions of a parent or coach, and the team was always disqualified in the end.

They have to maintain their image at all costs, especially considering that all of their championships are on ESPN or ABC. If they don't make that call, their dirty laundry gets drug out in front of a National Television Audience, which is made up primarily of families who have kids of their own who might want to play Little League some day.

Better play might have been to kick both teams out, but then they don't have a televised championship game to show off.

(08-06-2017 03:40 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Atlee (team with the bird-flipping young ladies) beat Kirkland in the semifinals. The Kirkland manager and a Kirkland player got kicked out of that semifinal game for stealing signs.

Kirkland was the one who benefited - they went to the Final as a result of that semifinal being forfeited.

You're correct ... but at least Kirkland got destroyed in the final. Karma gods wouldn't allow such injustice.

(08-06-2017 03:40 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 02:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Nittany, which team are you referring to as the team that benefited, the team that got to go to the championship instead or the team that won the championship (because they got to face an "easier" team)? Only really asking because the team that got to sub in the champ game ended up getting beat pretty bad, if I recall correctly.

Atlee (team with the bird-flipping young ladies) beat Kirkland in the semifinals. The Kirkland manager and a Kirkland player got kicked out of that semifinal game for stealing signs.

Kirkland was the one who benefited - they went to the Final as a result of that semifinal being forfeited.

Wait...what?

Stealing signs is illegal in Little League? Hell....it's an unwritten requirement in Dixie Youth.

I wonder what George Carlin would think about all this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ltst32Dcps

God forbid accountability be enforced.

The levels of poor sportsmanship have spiralled to new depths in the social media age. Just look a the content of "anonymous" message boards like this.

Two wrongs don't make a right - It does not matter how that team was "treated" by the host team. The second you respond you are equally as culpable. Defending yourself is one thing but "sticks and stones" stuff is not an excuse - get over it.

I coach youth basketball (travel teams) and I have been on both sides of blow outs. I pulled my team off the floor one game when the other team was showing my players up in a blow out - shooting foul shots closing their eyes, underhanded foul shots, and laughing/teasing my players. The other coach was applauding and fully condoning the behavior. That was when I pulled the plug and let him know it loudly in front of everyone. I can take getting beaten but there is a right and wrong way to do it.

This stuff is no different really...... Learn the lesson now, before it really costs you something.

Adults that allow their children to act like ********, will only create a country of adult ******** in the future.

(08-06-2017 03:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  They have to maintain their image at all costs, especially considering that all of their championships are on ESPN or ABC. If they don't make that call, their dirty laundry gets drug out in front of a National Television Audience, which is made up primarily of families who have kids of their own who might want to play Little League some day.

Yeah, this can't be overlooked. Those girls are wearing the jerseys worn when you make it to that stage; those aren't the usual team colors.

So, a bunch of girls wearing LL-provided jerseys go and do something common for the age, of course it's regrettable and embarrassing, but, again, do so in LL digs. Yeah, LL made the right call.

Sounds like Kirkland shouldn't be moving on, though. Maybe Atlee should expand upon Kirkland's hosting issues.

(08-06-2017 10:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  did you guys see this?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/little-league...34926.html

wow, just really sad. Good for Little League for standing up and making this call...

I know I coach youth basketball and if any of my girls did that, wow. It wouldn't have been up to the tourney to do it, and then next practices would be pretty painful.

I agree, good for the league.

Too often we hear people complain about the lack of civility and "sportsmanship" at sporting events. I wonder how many of those people are now complaining about the league "over reacting"?

It never hurts to have standards so I applaud the league for having some.

Hopefully these girls will learn a couple of valuable life's lessons.

A) Actions sometimes DO have consequences.
B) There's no such thing as "private" social media postings so be extra careful what you choose to post.


If this line of thinking makes me a curmudgeon, so be it, guilty as charged.