(08-11-2017 04:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:52 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, kick to the chones every time dude wanders out to the arc.

Making threes appears to be his best attribute. I imagine we would place him in a position to highlight his strengths and mask his weaknesses and thus allow him to pop threes like Pittsnogle from West Virginia.

Pittsnogle was 6'11.

7'3 is different.

He's 7'3" and he's rated the 20th best center in his class. There's obviously a reason there are 19 players at a position where there are very few high level players that are ranked ahead of him. He might be a very good college player but he has holes right now.

Being tall doesn't mean he's going to be Tacko Fall.

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:22 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  What is Vanover's ranking on 247? Is he top 150?

He's ranked 243 in the 247 composite.

No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:22 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  What is Vanover's ranking on 247? Is he top 150?

He's ranked 243 in the 247 composite.

No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

(08-11-2017 10:13 PM)Dylan Wrote:  He's 7'3" and he's rated the 20th best center in his class. There's obviously a reason there are 19 players at a position where there are very few high level players that are ranked ahead of him. He might be a very good college player but he has holes right now.

Being tall doesn't mean he's going to be Tacko Fall.

20th ranked? He must really suck! Seriously?

The guy is 7'3". That's unique. He's got a nice outside shot, and that's unique for his size. Tubby uses his big men to screen, and being able to hit a pick and roll shot would be very helpful. He'll be able to rebound and get easy put backs.

Hopefully, he'll add weight at Findlay. They are obviously one of the best programs in the nation. If Parks and/or Azab are serviceable players, he might be a red shirt candidate. He'll grow stronger with strength and conditioning.

You mentioned Tacko Fall. During one of our games with them, the announcers talked about his diet. The guy is taking in tremendous calories to fill in. I'm not saying Vanover will be Tacko, as he is a real game changer. But, he certainly could be an outstanding four year center.

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:22 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  What is Vanover's ranking on 247? Is he top 150?

He's ranked 243 in the 247 composite.

No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:22 AM)Dylan Wrote:  He's ranked 243 in the 247 composite.

No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

And a coach who punted the season.

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 11:22 AM)Dylan Wrote:  He's ranked 243 in the 247 composite.

No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

(08-12-2017 08:35 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

And a coach who punted the season.

And failed to recruit adequately skilled 2016 players and later lost the best one to transfer.

Stay focus children. This thread is about Vanover not Tubby, Lawson, and Saul lol

(08-12-2017 10:01 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Stay focus children. This thread is about Vanover not Tubby, Lawson, and Saul lol

Thank you M1T4. Could we have just one thread not get sidetracked?

(08-12-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 03:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  No problem, Saul will coach him up.

He might. That is what he is actually good at.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

He gave an unqualified dad a $20k raise. Not a bad demotion.

Obviously, you think Keelon is a man of unquestioned character. He shopped his kids publicly on more than one occasion. His son at least had some college experience. Last we heard, Keelon is selling pest control. Enough said?

I've got no problems getting rid of these guys. Do we need to recap their family bafoonery in the last 4-5 months? Maybe, just maybe, you can see that they were a difficult bunch.

But, once again, this thread was supposed to be about Vannover. I think he will be a very good player for us.

(08-12-2017 10:06 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:01 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Stay focus children. This thread is about Vanover not Tubby, Lawson, and Saul lol

Thank you M1T4. Could we have just one thread not get sidetracked?

Unfortunately that seems impossible here

(08-12-2017 10:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  He might. That is what he is actually good at.

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I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

He gave an unqualified dad a $20k raise. Not a bad demotion.

Obviously, you think Keelon is a man of unquestioned character. He shopped his kids publicly on more than one occasion. His son at least had some college experience. Last we heard, Keelon is selling pest control. Enough said?

I've got no problems getting rid of these guys. Do we need to recap their family bafoonery in the last 4-5 months? Maybe, just maybe, you can see that they were a difficult bunch.

But, once again, this thread was supposed to be about Vannover. I think he will be a very good player for us.

When you reply about a subject, it keeps it in play.

Tubby should never have offered Lawson the job unless Tubby was willing to do what it took (within the rules and the law) to get along with Keelon. The resulting mess was easily foreseeable (even I saw it).

I do not think Tubby or Keelon are infallible but neither deserve demonization. My guess is Keelon could have leveraged all his sons into a job at a D-1 school, but instead placed them at a Blue Blood school headed by a HOF coach. KJ and Dedric would rather lose a year rather than play for Tubby. It is not a ringing endorsement of Tubby's player management skill regardless of the hosannas sung by his devout supporters.

(08-12-2017 11:22 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I see no evidence of it at Memphis. We experienced a late season swoon including defeats in the final two games by margins not seen in decades.

You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

He gave an unqualified dad a $20k raise. Not a bad demotion.

Obviously, you think Keelon is a man of unquestioned character. He shopped his kids publicly on more than one occasion. His son at least had some college experience. Last we heard, Keelon is selling pest control. Enough said?

I've got no problems getting rid of these guys. Do we need to recap their family bafoonery in the last 4-5 months? Maybe, just maybe, you can see that they were a difficult bunch.

But, once again, this thread was supposed to be about Vannover. I think he will be a very good player for us.

When you reply about a subject, it keeps it in play.

Tubby should never have offered Lawson the job unless Tubby was willing to do what it took (within the rules and the law) to get along with Keelon. The resulting mess was easily foesseable (even I saw it).

I do not think Tubby or Keelon are infallible but neither deserve demonization. My guess is Keelon could have leveraged all his sons into a job at a D-1 school, but instead placed them at a Blue Blood school headed by a HOF coach. KJ and Dedric would rather lose a year rather than play for Tubby. It is not a ringing endorsement of Tubby's player management skill regardless of the hosannas sung by his devout supporters.

Really what keeps it in play is you bringing it up on every single unrelated thread. This was supposed to be about a recruit, but you just can't let it go.

Keelon didn't find a school to hire him because his sons had to sit out a year. He lost his leverage. He's certainly no hero. He really loved sticking it to the program, but unfortunately Tubby was able to find some pretty decent Jucos. Now his kid punches s player in the face and gets to lose out on an Italy trip. So sad.,.

(08-12-2017 10:16 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:06 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:01 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Stay focus children. This thread is about Vanover not Tubby, Lawson, and Saul lol

Thank you M1T4. Could we have just one thread not get sidetracked?

Unfortunately that seems impossible here

Yep, everything Tiger MBB turns into some reason to blame Tubby. And then the whiners even get upset when you point out they seem incapable of finding anything positive about the program.

I watched all the video I could find on Vanover and here are my thoughts. He will block a lot of shots, he didn't block a lot at Arky Baptist b/c it was a small school and nobody would really challenge him. It doesn't make a lot of sense to post up your 6'5 center against a guy who is 7'3". He seemed to block a lot more shots in the camp videos I saw as it seemed guys were much more willing to challenge him. He's so tall he doesn't really need to jump to block shots, so he's almost impossible to pump fake and get him off his feet. His post game consists of an "arsenal" of turn arounds and hook shots, not very polished in the post at all, but he does have a nice touch. He's just not strong enough to back anyone down, plus his center of gravity is so high that even if he were strong enough to do it, I'm not sure it would work that well, he's gonna be banging right into the head of the defender, instead of body to body, so he'd likely get called for a lot of offensive fouls. His best bet would be to get stronger so he can establish position before he gets the ball, Tacko Fall does a nice job with that.

He loves to hang around the 3 point line and he does appear to have a nice jump shot. He also hits mid range shots well too it would appear, which is an underrated skill. He doesn't put the ball on the floor much, which is good ... dribbling the ball is rarely a good idea for a guy who is 7'3". Athletically, well, he's 7'3", so you don't expect much there; but, he moves okay. He doesn't run the floor well really, but I'm not sure that would be a fair expectation.

I'd rather have an explosive and powerful 6'8" athlete in the post (i.e. Tarik Black / Joey Dorsey), but those guys are hard to come by. Vanover is intriguing though, he definitely needs to get stronger, and I think his frame will support more weight. You have to remember that some of his video is from when he's 16 years old. The newer videos, he has definitely shown a great deal of improvement.

At 7'3" with a nice touch, I think he could be a big help. As mentioned before though, you have to work with the kid and convince him that he can't just hang around the 3 point line. His jump shot needs to be plan B, maybe even plan C.

I see why Tubby likes the kid though, you can't teach 7'3" and the kid is not an oaf, he's pretty coordinated, sometimes he looks awkward simply because he's so freaking tall.

(08-12-2017 11:33 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:22 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 07:58 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  You also had our best two players about to give us the middle finger... not sure if that added to the swoon..

Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

He gave an unqualified dad a $20k raise. Not a bad demotion.

Obviously, you think Keelon is a man of unquestioned character. He shopped his kids publicly on more than one occasion. His son at least had some college experience. Last we heard, Keelon is selling pest control. Enough said?

I've got no problems getting rid of these guys. Do we need to recap their family bafoonery in the last 4-5 months? Maybe, just maybe, you can see that they were a difficult bunch.

But, once again, this thread was supposed to be about Vannover. I think he will be a very good player for us.

When you reply about a subject, it keeps it in play.

Tubby should never have offered Lawson the job unless Tubby was willing to do what it took (within the rules and the law) to get along with Keelon. The resulting mess was easily foesseable (even I saw it).

I do not think Tubby or Keelon are infallible but neither deserve demonization. My guess is Keelon could have leveraged all his sons into a job at a D-1 school, but instead placed them at a Blue Blood school headed by a HOF coach. KJ and Dedric would rather lose a year rather than play for Tubby. It is not a ringing endorsement of Tubby's player management skill regardless of the hosannas sung by his devout supporters.

Really what keeps it in play is you bringing it up on every single unrelated thread. This was supposed to be about a recruit, but you just can't let it go.

Keelon didn't find a school to hire him because his sons had to sit out a year. He lost his leverage. He's certainly no hero. He really loved sticking it to the program, but unfortunately Tubby was able to find some pretty decent Jucos. Now his kid punches s player in the face and gets to lose out on an Italy trip. So sad.,.

Your statement is inaccurate. My initial response to this thread was about Conner and later when someone mentioned Conner's low rating I posted Saul could coach him up. Later someone stated Saul was good at it and I presented a rebuttal.

Furthermore, it is very common for threads to quickly derail. I think we are all guilty of it.

I do not accept your premise that no D-1 program was willing to hire Keelon and wait a year to obtain players of Dedric's and D.J.'s skill. Also, you neglect to mention the inside position on obtaining the elite younger Lawson's.

(08-12-2017 11:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:33 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:22 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Because Tubby in effect demoted /(insert your own word here) their father and elevated his son instead....

He gave an unqualified dad a $20k raise. Not a bad demotion.

Obviously, you think Keelon is a man of unquestioned character. He shopped his kids publicly on more than one occasion. His son at least had some college experience. Last we heard, Keelon is selling pest control. Enough said?

I've got no problems getting rid of these guys. Do we need to recap their family bafoonery in the last 4-5 months? Maybe, just maybe, you can see that they were a difficult bunch.

But, once again, this thread was supposed to be about Vannover. I think he will be a very good player for us.

When you reply about a subject, it keeps it in play.

Tubby should never have offered Lawson the job unless Tubby was willing to do what it took (within the rules and the law) to get along with Keelon. The resulting mess was easily foesseable (even I saw it).

I do not think Tubby or Keelon are infallible but neither deserve demonization. My guess is Keelon could have leveraged all his sons into a job at a D-1 school, but instead placed them at a Blue Blood school headed by a HOF coach. KJ and Dedric would rather lose a year rather than play for Tubby. It is not a ringing endorsement of Tubby's player management skill regardless of the hosannas sung by his devout supporters.

Really what keeps it in play is you bringing it up on every single unrelated thread. This was supposed to be about a recruit, but you just can't let it go.

Keelon didn't find a school to hire him because his sons had to sit out a year. He lost his leverage. He's certainly no hero. He really loved sticking it to the program, but unfortunately Tubby was able to find some pretty decent Jucos. Now his kid punches s player in the face and gets to lose out on an Italy trip. So sad.,.

You statement is inaccurate. My initial response to this thread was about Conner and later when someone mentioned Conner's low rating I posted Saul could coach him up. Later someone stated Saul was good at it and I presented a rebuttal.

Furthermore, it is very common for threads to quickly derail. I think we are all guilty of it.

I do not accept your premise that no D-1 program was willing to hire Keelon and wait a year to obtain players of Dedric's and D.J.'s skill. Also, you neglect to mention the inside position on obtaining the elite younger Lawson's.

Ok, my last post on this garbage. Feel free to have the final word.

Keelon wasn't marketable.. now. He's known to be difficult. But, really, he didn't have anyone that can play next year. It's questionable that Dedric will play any more college basketball, and KJ has one year left. I don't think anyone would hire him for KJ anyway (nice rhyme). Kansas had little to lose. Why not add these two? If they don't work out, they'll be fine anyway. Kind of a freebie.

He'll be back on the market soon with the next two kids. I think he'll probably land another job off his kid's backs. Too bad he can't get that job in his own! But no worries, he can sell bug spray until he can sell his next set of kids.

But, again, you take every chance to make your petty, snarky comments. Whatever, suit yourself....

(08-12-2017 11:37 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  I watched all the video I could find on Vanover and here are my thoughts. He will block a lot of shots, he didn't block a lot at Arky Baptist b/c it was a small school and nobody would really challenge him. It doesn't make a lot of sense to post up your 6'5 center against a guy who is 7'3". He seemed to block a lot more shots in the camp videos I saw as it seemed guys were much more willing to challenge him. He's so tall he doesn't really need to jump to block shots, so he's almost impossible to pump fake and get him off his feet. His post game consists of an "arsenal" of turn arounds and hook shots, not very polished in the post at all, but he does have a nice touch. He's just not strong enough to back anyone down, plus his center of gravity is so high that even if he were strong enough to do it, I'm not sure it would work that well, he's gonna be banging right into the head of the defender, instead of body to body, so he'd likely get called for a lot of offensive fouls. His best bet would be to get stronger so he can establish position before he gets the ball, Tacko Fall does a nice job with that.

He loves to hang around the 3 point line and he does appear to have a nice jump shot. He also hits mid range shots well too it would appear, which is an underrated skill. He doesn't put the ball on the floor much, which is good ... dribbling the ball is rarely a good idea for a guy who is 7'3". Athletically, well, he's 7'3", so you don't expect much there; but, he moves okay. He doesn't run the floor well really, but I'm not sure that would be a fair expectation.

I'd rather have an explosive and powerful 6'8" athlete in the post (i.e. Tarik Black / Joey Dorsey), but those guys are hard to come by. Vanover is intriguing though, he definitely needs to get stronger, and I think his frame will support more weight. You have to remember that some of his video is from when he's 16 years old. The newer videos, he has definitely shown a great deal of improvement.

At 7'3" with a nice touch, I think he could be a big help. As mentioned before though, you have to work with the kid and convince him that he can't just hang around the 3 point line. His jump shot needs to be plan B, maybe even plan C.

I see why Tubby likes the kid though, you can't teach 7'3" and the kid is not an oaf, he's pretty coordinated, sometimes he looks awkward simply because he's so freaking tall.

Agree.

It's a nice problem to have. He'd probably get owned his 1st couple of years against some of the stockier 6'7-6'10 guys, but he could play the same role as Chad did in the high-low last year. I'm not as rack-centric if he's taking 15 footers or at least is using his height to draw defenders and pass from the high post.