http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/02...nda-241218

Depending on your pov this is either great work by Tilerson or another example of There's a Putin in my closet

Personally it's nice to see a leader in DC do their part to save money and curb unnecessary spending

(08-02-2017 06:09 AM)solohawks Wrote:  http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/02...nda-241218

Depending on your pov this is either great work by Tilerson or another example of There's a Putin in my closet

Personally it's nice to see a leader in DC do their part to save money and curb unnecessary spending

I'd rather not try to cut corners fighting ISIS.

if one is fiscally conservative, you can only applaud this move....

Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

(08-02-2017 07:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

If those outsiders had any knowledge or experience, I might agree with you. The result of these poor decisions are bearing fruit.

(08-02-2017 07:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

If those outsiders had any knowledge or experience, I might agree with you. The result of these poor decisions are bearing fruit.

Experienced insiders have got us in the current messes we are in around the world. Only a moron would double down on doing the same things we have always done and expect anything different.

(08-02-2017 07:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

If those outsiders had any knowledge or experience, I might agree with you. The result of these poor decisions are bearing fruit.

Experienced insiders have got us in the current messes we are in around the world. Only a moron would double down on doing the same things we have always done and expect anything different.

Aren't you in law enforcement or something like that? What if your executive said that he wants to get rid of all of the experienced officers and shake things up with less experienced replacements? There is something to be said about experience and knowledge.

Wow, imagine, a department head tasked with cutting costs turns down funds that would have the exact opposite effect and a liberal cries about it. Muh nanny state. How did the State Department ever operate before these funds were made available?

(08-02-2017 09:02 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

If those outsiders had any knowledge or experience, I might agree with you. The result of these poor decisions are bearing fruit.

Experienced insiders have got us in the current messes we are in around the world. Only a moron would double down on doing the same things we have always done and expect anything different.

Aren't you in law enforcement or something like that? What if your executive said that he wants to get rid of all of the experienced officers and shake things up with less experienced replacements? There is something to be said about experience and knowledge.

If the experienced officers had screwed things up as bad as the career folks at the State Dept has done for the past 20 years then they need to be replaced. Charleston Fire did just that a decade ago when they killed 9 firefighters. They made it clear the way things were done and anybody either unwilling or unable to change had to go. They've gone from a laughing stock to a first rate FD.

I'd ather use that 90 million to being down health insurance rates.

how many agencies does it take to combat terror?

If the experienced officers had screwed things up as bad as the career folks at the State Dept has done for the past 20 years then they need to be replaced. Charleston Fire did just that a decade ago when they killed 9 firefighters. They made it clear the way things were done and anybody either unwilling or unable to change had to go. They've gone from a laughing stock to a first rate FD.
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Something similar happened at EP Int'l Airport. The city and city fire department wanted the funds that were solely earmarked for airport improvements and operation. The only way they could get their filthy fingers on that was if the city took over fire fighting operations. You would think that it would be an improvement but when you start implementing structural fire techniques in aircraft fire fighting then you're asking for trouble. I don't know how many times I had to tell them that it wouldn't work the same but what the heck, they thought 25 years of aircraft fire fighting experience didn't count for anything. They were obsessed with wanting to position the fire trucks together. They couldn't fathom that aircraft don't necessarily crash on the runway and if any aircraft didn't follow that rule and crashed into a crowd of FF trucks it would be a disaster. As an example go back to the Dallas airport crash that took out a water tower and other near by structures. Oh well, what do I know, I only did it for 30 years.

The US State Department should not be spending money to influence ANYTHING inside the US. If they are going to be trying to influence minds and affect behavior anonymously in the background through, viral media, placing ads in social media, filtering results and other propaganda techniques and tactics then it needs to be very clear that it is only appropriate for State to do this for overseas work.

If it is going to be targeted at US persons or US media then it needs to be somewhere other than at Foggy Bottom and heavily watch-dogged.

What is an internal social media propaganda arm against ISIS today can become an internal social media propaganda arm for any agenda tomorrow.

Given the politicization of the State Dept. lately.....I don't mind seeing its potential propaganda arm starved of funds.

(08-02-2017 11:20 AM)Lush Wrote:  how many agencies does it take to combat terror?

is this one of those light bulb questions?

(08-02-2017 07:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Got to love the little piggies squeal when they realize that they are swamp creatures getting caught in the draining. God forbid that the President elected to do things different rely on outsiders.

If those outsiders had any knowledge or experience, I might agree with you. The result of these poor decisions are bearing fruit.

Experienced insiders have got us in the current messes we are in around the world. Only a moron would double down on doing the same things we have always done and expect anything different.

ain't nothing better than doubling down with douche douche....that'll get the rest of the table pissed at ya when the dealer hits that 6th card to nail 21.....

(08-02-2017 12:39 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 11:20 AM)Lush Wrote:  how many agencies does it take to combat terror?

is this one of those light bulb questions?

yep....last time I checked, the expression is thus......

((bazillion/∞)*(∞)/0)) to the power of ∞ = "yo' da man....where's my dayum check?"

(08-02-2017 11:20 AM)Lush Wrote:  how many agencies does it take to combat terror?

here's the schematic.....dayum it's fun tokin' after a long day (multi-thread synergy)

This isn't all that bad - but I wouldn't cut this Department in particular.

If you want to cut, then you look at the cesspool that is the GSA. THAT is some real waste. You also have this weird situation where you're paying contractors MORE than you would FT employees in the government. This often happens when competition for federal contracts is limited.

(08-02-2017 11:20 AM)Lush Wrote:  how many agencies does it take to combat terror?

All of them. as long as it allows bureaucrats to justify their employment. Especially if it allows the agency to add people with titles like under secretary, deputy under secretary, etc.