(08-01-2017 10:37 AM)Potomac Wrote:  This deserved its own thread in case some tune out the redundancy of other threads after the first couple of posts.

From today's Virginian-Pilot. A lot more detail in relation to JMU and CUSA than I've probably read in 4-5 years now honestly.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b309.html

"5. This poured more salt into the wounds for the many JMU fans who want the school to move up to FBS.
Many are frustrated, given the chatter I see on JMU message boards, that ODU and Liberty are scheduling so many home games against with ACC schools.

That's understandable. JMU was the No. 3 program in the state a few years ago. The Dukes had won a national title, had beaten U.Va. and Tech and had recently opened a renovated 25,000-seat stadium.

But in 2012, ODU jumped ahead of the Dukes and joined C-USA, a move based more on the attractiveness of the Hampton Roads TV market than the Monarchs' football prowess. Now Liberty has jumped ahead as well, although in far different fashion: The Flames will play as an FBS independent.

That's not an ideal situation for Liberty, which is having to spend a lot of money to fill its schedule. The Flames travel twice to New Mexico, and next season are at Army and Massachusetts. They are paying ODU $1.32 million for their first FBS home game.

As a private school, Liberty can spend money any way it wants. JMU's budget is funded largely on student fees, and that means AD Jeff Bourne's options are limited.

Several years ago, the Sun Belt tried to lure JMU, an offer the Dukes wisely declined. Rivalries with Arkansas State, Texas State and Louisiana-Lafayette don't make a lot of sense.

C-USA officials visited Harrisonburg a few years ago and were impressed enough to ask member schools to consider inviting JMU. But Marshall officials led a successful lobbying campaign to effectively table expansion.

Without a league to join, JMU can't move up. And given the financial challenges in most mid-major leagues, I don't know that the Dukes would want to move up right now anyway.

But change is coming to college football, and in a few years, there may be a more appealing opportunity for JMU.

Officials at most mid-major schools are fretting over rapidly declining TV money and rising travel costs. As I've previously written, financially it makes no sense for ODU to be in the same league with four schools from Texas.

Mid-major athletic directors eventually will come to their senses and form regional leagues that reduce costs and create real rivalries.

When that happens, perhaps JMU, Liberty and ODU won't just all be in FBS; they'll become conference rivals.

Until then, JMU, the defending national champion, moves forward with an elite FCS program. And that's not a bad place to be."

Good article but the guy just regurgitated what he has read on here by many of us so called apologists.

I still believe ODU jumped the gun. They and App St. should have waited a few years to allow JMU to get its Presidency issue straight then worked with Alger to find a conference home together. Perhaps UD would have been ready then too. App. should have joined the CAA with ODU and JMU to allow the rivalries to grow and to prepare for the move up together.

It would have been interesting to see which direction CUSA and the Sunbelt would have gone without these two schools. Likely west which would have left the door wide open for an eastern FBS conference.

What we see now is ODU and App. St. going it alone without a real solid rivalries in conferences spread out across the country. ODU continues to lobby for us to join them, which we all feel will likely happen someday. My point is that we likely would be in FBS together today had they been just a little bit more patient and prudent in their decision making. While contracts with VT are great news for their fan base, it still represents one OOC game each year. They are still left with a large slate of games against directional U and an exhibition bowl game to end the season should they qualify.

Regional conferences just make too much sense not to happen. This guy is posting the article because he knows they will. Universities will encourage writers to write things to test the reaction to the articles and plant seeds. Harry knows something and when it all happens he looks like the writer who called it.

(08-01-2017 10:37 AM)Potomac Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b309.html



They are paying ODU $1.32 million for their first FBS home game.


Several years ago, the Sun Belt tried to lure JMU, an offer the Dukes wisely declined. Rivalries with Arkansas State, Texas State and Louisiana-Lafayette don't make a lot of sense.

C-USA officials visited Harrisonburg a few years ago and were impressed enough to ask member schools to consider inviting JMU. But Marshall officials led a successful lobbying campaign to effectively table expansion.

Without a league to join, JMU can't move up. And given the financial challenges in most mid-major leagues, I don't know that the Dukes would want to move up right now anyway.

But change is coming to college football, and in a few years, there may be a more appealing opportunity for JMU.

Officials at most mid-major schools are fretting over rapidly declining TV money and rising travel costs. As I've previously written, financially it makes no sense for ODU to be in the same league with four schools from Texas.

Mid-major athletic directors eventually will come to their senses and form regional leagues that reduce costs and create real rivalries.

When that happens, perhaps JMU, Liberty and ODU won't just all be in FBS; they'll become conference rivals.

Until then, JMU, the defending national champion, moves forward with an elite FCS program. And that's not a bad place to be."

Yep, JMUNation. we are just admin apologists and now we have converted Harry Minium.

Pretty much everything we have been saying for years.

-sunbelt doesnt make sense
-JMU admin will move for the right conference - see CUSA and Marshall's block
-as things stand now, it makes little sense to move
-there is financial pain at the G5 level that will need to be relieved
- jmu will be a highly sought product

so i havent seen anything from the chicken little crowd or the FBS at all cost crowd. what do you folks have to say??

Another interesting excerpt is below. It's referencing the (mostly in-state) effects of the new VT/ODU/Liberty scheduling deals.

Quote:4. This is not good news for the state's FCS programs.

Tech plays William & Mary in 2018, Furman in 2019, Richmond in 2021 and VMI in 2026, but then will play no other FCS teams through 2030. That's a significant reduction in FCS opponents for Tech.

The ACC has encouraged members to limit the number of games against FCS schools to help enhance the league's TV package, including the new 24-hour ACC Network set to debut in 2019. The theory is that playing other FBS schools, even if they are from C-USA, gives ESPN better programming.

William & Mary and Richmond, especially, have used games against FBS schools to help recruiting and fatten the bottom line with a nice paycheck. And every so often, they upset an FBS school, as the Spiders did last season at U.Va.

This, of course, doesn't directly affect us, as all of our recent FBS games have been out of state in recent years, due to the fact that UVa and VT are now scared to play us. But if this is an ACC-wide type of thing to move away from FCS (as it says above, and same as the B1G), our days of playing the likes of UNC and NC State are numbered too. Question is, does it really matter any more?

VT (2010) $400,000
UNC (2011) $350,000
Akron (2013) $300,000
Maryland (2014) $325,000
SMU (2015) $425,000
UNC (2016) ??
ECU (2017) $300,000
NCSU (2018) $425,000
WVU (2019) $550,000

(Got these figures from various places online, can't vouch for their precision or accuracy.)

(08-01-2017 02:34 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Yep, JMUNation. we are just admin apologists and now we have converted Harry Minium.

Pretty much everything we have been saying for years.

-sunbelt doesnt make sense
-JMU admin will move for the right conference - see CUSA and Marshall's block
-as things stand now, it makes little sense to move
-there is financial pain at the G5 level that will need to be relieved
- jmu will be a highly sought product

so i havent seen anything from the chicken little crowd or the FBS at all cost crowd. what do you folks have to say??

Pretty much everything we have been saying for years.

-sunbelt doesnt make sense That's because Harry believes CUSA makes sense, not the CAA.

-JMU admin will move for the right conference - see CUSA and Marshall's block What right conference? Specifics have never been stated. We had a chance at CUSA with ODU. Now we learn we had another shot but our crack unit of negotiators allowed JMU to get c@ckblocked by one school?

-as things stand now, it makes little sense to move Inaction has gotten us to where "things stand now" and you just keep asking for more of the same. Some would rather sit on the side of the road hitchhiking in an overly large backwards cowboy hat instead of building a gad dang Little Rascals go kart to get to the Ferrari dealership for an upgrade.

-there is financial pain at the G5 level that will need to be relieved More of selling JMU short. We already have a budget larger than most G5 with very little alumni participation. Imagine if we woke the sleeping giant? Oh wait, that would take vision and fortitude.

- jmu will be a highly sought product JMU has always been a highly sought product, in spite of the cluster we've had to endure. It's like not being able to sell turnstiles to the White House.

Cusa is no Ferrari. It's more like a ford bronco.

Broncos are a fun ride though.

(08-01-2017 04:04 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Cusa is no Ferrari. It's more like a ford bronco.

Agreed it's certainly no Ferrari. But Bronco? Are you sure of that metaphor? Maybe if it's up on blocks sans engine and wheels. Given the expense and declining TV revenue the CUSA might be considered a strong "sell" in my portfolio.

FWIW: A pre-72 Bronco is a top-3 choice if 25k found its way into my bank account. A 64ish Continental and a real nice Chevy square body with medium lift round out the top 3 for those fully engaged in this tangent.

(08-01-2017 04:39 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  FWIW: A pre-72 Bronco is a top-3 choice if 25k found its way into my bank account. A 64ish Continental and a real nice Chevy square body with medium lift round out the top 3 for those fully engaged in this tangent.

I was just looking at a '72 bronco yesterday on the internet. Such a cool ride. Saw one in a parking lot 2 years ago and have been thinking about them ever since.

(08-01-2017 04:50 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:39 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  FWIW: A pre-72 Bronco is a top-3 choice if 25k found its way into my bank account. A 64ish Continental and a real nice Chevy square body with medium lift round out the top 3 for those fully engaged in this tangent.

I was just looking at a '72 bronco yesterday on the internet. Such a cool ride. Saw one in a parking lot 2 years ago and have been thinking about them ever since.

'38 Studebaker Coupe-Express Pickup please.

(08-01-2017 01:42 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 10:37 AM)Potomac Wrote:  This deserved its own thread in case some tune out the redundancy of other threads after the first couple of posts.

From today's Virginian-Pilot. A lot more detail in relation to JMU and CUSA than I've probably read in 4-5 years now honestly.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b309.html

"5. This poured more salt into the wounds for the many JMU fans who want the school to move up to FBS.
Many are frustrated, given the chatter I see on JMU message boards, that ODU and Liberty are scheduling so many home games against with ACC schools.

That's understandable. JMU was the No. 3 program in the state a few years ago. The Dukes had won a national title, had beaten U.Va. and Tech and had recently opened a renovated 25,000-seat stadium.

But in 2012, ODU jumped ahead of the Dukes and joined C-USA, a move based more on the attractiveness of the Hampton Roads TV market than the Monarchs' football prowess. Now Liberty has jumped ahead as well, although in far different fashion: The Flames will play as an FBS independent.

That's not an ideal situation for Liberty, which is having to spend a lot of money to fill its schedule. The Flames travel twice to New Mexico, and next season are at Army and Massachusetts. They are paying ODU $1.32 million for their first FBS home game.

As a private school, Liberty can spend money any way it wants. JMU's budget is funded largely on student fees, and that means AD Jeff Bourne's options are limited.

Several years ago, the Sun Belt tried to lure JMU, an offer the Dukes wisely declined. Rivalries with Arkansas State, Texas State and Louisiana-Lafayette don't make a lot of sense.

C-USA officials visited Harrisonburg a few years ago and were impressed enough to ask member schools to consider inviting JMU. But Marshall officials led a successful lobbying campaign to effectively table expansion.

Without a league to join, JMU can't move up. And given the financial challenges in most mid-major leagues, I don't know that the Dukes would want to move up right now anyway.

But change is coming to college football, and in a few years, there may be a more appealing opportunity for JMU.

Officials at most mid-major schools are fretting over rapidly declining TV money and rising travel costs. As I've previously written, financially it makes no sense for ODU to be in the same league with four schools from Texas.

Mid-major athletic directors eventually will come to their senses and form regional leagues that reduce costs and create real rivalries.

When that happens, perhaps JMU, Liberty and ODU won't just all be in FBS; they'll become conference rivals.

Until then, JMU, the defending national champion, moves forward with an elite FCS program. And that's not a bad place to be."

Good article but the guy just regurgitated what he has read on here by many of us so called apologists.

I still believe ODU jumped the gun. They and App St. should have waited a few years to allow JMU to get its Presidency issue straight then worked with Alger to find a conference home together. Perhaps UD would have been ready then too. App. should have joined the CAA with ODU and JMU to allow the rivalries to grow and to prepare for the move up together.

It would have been interesting to see which direction CUSA and the Sunbelt would have gone without these two schools. Likely west which would have left the door wide open for an eastern FBS conference.

What we see now is ODU and App. St. going it alone without a real solid rivalries in conferences spread out across the country. ODU continues to lobby for us to join them, which we all feel will likely happen someday. My point is that we likely would be in FBS together today had they been just a little bit more patient and prudent in their decision making. While contracts with VT are great news for their fan base, it still represents one OOC game each year. They are still left with a large slate of games against directional U and an exhibition bowl game to end the season should they qualify.

Regional conferences just make too much sense not to happen. This guy is posting the article because he knows they will. Universities will encourage writers to write things to test the reaction to the articles and plant seeds. Harry knows something and when it all happens he looks like the writer who called it.

It's fine that you believe ODU jumped the gun, but like App State and probably Coastal and Liberty soon, their fans don't.

Those schools would have been crazy to wait for JMU to gets it act together. You can lead a university to a conference, but you can't make them join.

(08-01-2017 04:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:50 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:39 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  FWIW: A pre-72 Bronco is a top-3 choice if 25k found its way into my bank account. A 64ish Continental and a real nice Chevy square body with medium lift round out the top 3 for those fully engaged in this tangent.

I was just looking at a '72 bronco yesterday on the internet. Such a cool ride. Saw one in a parking lot 2 years ago and have been thinking about them ever since.

'38 Studebaker Coupe-Express Pickup please.

Sweet truck but tough to come by I'd imagine.

(08-01-2017 04:39 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  FWIW: A pre-72 Bronco is a top-3 choice if 25k found its way into my bank account. A 64ish Continental and a real nice Chevy square body with medium lift round out the top 3 for those fully engaged in this tangent.

VERY STRONGLY MONITORING this Bronco convo!

Going back a few posts, this is directed to Nation, you are kidding yourself if you don't think GA Southern and Appy are rivals, and big ones. I'm not sure we could ever touch the rivalry between those two. It would be close but they go way back and year after year of playing each other.

I wonder if the ambiguously engaged duo and their puppet news paper a.k.a. the Daily News Record will continue to allow Harry Minium to do the heavy lifting of at least trying to communicate with the Duke Club?

I call B### S###. JMU is not leaving fcs/caa until Alger and Bourne are gone.

Bourne may need to refute the comment about the Sunbelt trying to lure JMU. "I've not had an invite in my hand."

I wonder how long it will take this thread to get to 10,000 posts?

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(08-01-2017 05:57 PM)olderduke Wrote:  I wonder how long it will take this thread to get to 10,000 posts?

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This will make it get to 10,000

Old Broncos got me wanting a truck.

Hyper, just got myself one (Ram 1500). Absolutely worth it.

Studebakers are cool! The company built a lot of WWII trucks and B-17 engines. I always liked their late 50s Golden Hawk: