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Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.
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(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.
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(08-03-2017 05:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 03:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 02:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 01:41 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Good for Liberty making their way through difficult waters. Happy for them.

As for the Bobcats playing them? Don't really think it's a good idea.

They aren't a name, they won't pack the stadium.
They are going to struggle early on, so they won't help with our strength of schedule.
We don't recruit in Virginia much, so us getting exposure out there is a big ol' so what.
And then the whole other thing.

I just don't see a reason to schedule them. It doesn't have a carrot for Texas State.

From an outsider perspective, the only games to me that make sense for H/H would be regional SBC teams. I would say the same with CUSA teams.

App
Coastal
Ga So
Ga St
UNC
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Marshall

I don't get why any SBC teams would have an issue playing H/H with Liberty. I would rather watch SBC play Liberty on TV than most MAC schools.

In theory, you think that should be an automatic W as they build their team. Like it or not, Liberty probably has higher name recognition than most SB teams. Liberty kinda of remains of #3 Earnhardt. He didn't care if fans cheered or booed, only if they were quiet. Liberty has that same appeal, doesn't seem there will be an neutral fans. I think they have the potential to be similar to BYU in sports. As a NCSU fan, I would have no issue with 2-1 with Liberty.

I have no objection to playing Liberty but to suggest they have more name recognition than Arkansas State, App State, Georgia Southern, Troy, Louisana and others in SBC football is a real reach. Kinda like comparing NCState to NCCU given that both are North Carolina schools that play football. I would really like to see A-State and NCState schedule another contest(s) soon.

To be clearer, to the casual fan or not diehard college football fan, Liberty does have better name recognition. Like it or not, these things can make a difference. How many of your SB programs had a US President give a speech let alone annouce a football schedule?

I would be all for Ark St to visit Carter-Finley. I am hoping App St and NCSU will schedule something in the future. Would love to do a 2-1 with them and/or Charlotte. I have a feeling NCSU will be offering Coastal a pay day game in the next round of annoucements.

AState won't travel to NC State because you guys wouldn't pay enough to make it worthwhile, and there's no home and home in sight after you bought Troy out.

Plus, our unofficial hand signs are way too similar and leave everyone very confused.

I'm not against playing NC State, and I have a soft spot for Eli Drinkwitz, but there's no way the finances work out.
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(08-03-2017 10:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.

On the East Coast...yes. In the South...No. I'd wager that about 95 percent of the state of Arkansas has never heard of them, or if they have its only because a friend took online classes there. No one has a clue they have FBS football until Arkansas inevitably plays them.
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(08-03-2017 10:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.




Well, 'cuse me but i thought we were talking football here and the SBC conference vs Liberty and their move to indy status. By the way, you need to focus on SC. That has to be the biggest program in the NCAA with the largest fanbase that has achieved so little. Wish the red wolves could face you. Unlike NCState, you have the money and I would like our chances.
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(08-03-2017 10:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.


Since the NCST fan can't back up the recgnition claim and given that you agree with him, take the time now and back up your claim with some substance as I requested. Give me something to support such bull****! As a disclaimer, how baptist are you?
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(08-04-2017 06:56 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 10:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.


Since the NCST fan can't back up the recgnition claim and given that you agree with him, take the time now and back up your claim with some substance as I requesed. Give me something to support such bull****!

I'm with the Ark State guys here. I had never heard of Liberty and likely would never have heard of them if I didn't follow this Sun Belt board. I don't know anyone that is aware of Liberty, to my knowledge.
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(08-03-2017 10:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 05:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 03:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 02:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 01:41 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Good for Liberty making their way through difficult waters. Happy for them.

As for the Bobcats playing them? Don't really think it's a good idea.

They aren't a name, they won't pack the stadium.
They are going to struggle early on, so they won't help with our strength of schedule.
We don't recruit in Virginia much, so us getting exposure out there is a big ol' so what.
And then the whole other thing.

I just don't see a reason to schedule them. It doesn't have a carrot for Texas State.

From an outsider perspective, the only games to me that make sense for H/H would be regional SBC teams. I would say the same with CUSA teams.

App
Coastal
Ga So
Ga St
UNC
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Marshall

I don't get why any SBC teams would have an issue playing H/H with Liberty. I would rather watch SBC play Liberty on TV than most MAC schools.

In theory, you think that should be an automatic W as they build their team. Like it or not, Liberty probably has higher name recognition than most SB teams. Liberty kinda of remains of #3 Earnhardt. He didn't care if fans cheered or booed, only if they were quiet. Liberty has that same appeal, doesn't seem there will be an neutral fans. I think they have the potential to be similar to BYU in sports. As a NCSU fan, I would have no issue with 2-1 with Liberty.

I have no objection to playing Liberty but to suggest they have more name recognition than Arkansas State, App State, Georgia Southern, Troy, Louisana and others in SBC football is a real reach. Kinda like comparing NCState to NCCU given that both are North Carolina schools that play football. I would really like to see A-State and NCState schedule another contest(s) soon.

To be clearer, to the casual fan or not diehard college football fan, Liberty does have better name recognition. Like it or not, these things can make a difference. How many of your SB programs had a US President give a speech let alone annouce a football schedule?

I would be all for Ark St to visit Carter-Finley. I am hoping App St and NCSU will schedule something in the future. Would love to do a 2-1 with them and/or Charlotte. I have a feeling NCSU will be offering Coastal a pay day game in the next round of annoucements.

AState won't travel to NC State because you guys wouldn't pay enough to make it worthwhile, and there's no home and home in sight after you bought Troy out.

Plus, our unofficial hand signs are way too similar and leave everyone very confused.

I'm not against playing NC State, and I have a soft spot for Eli Drinkwitz, but there's no way the finances work out.

Curious, when and where is there news of a Troy buyout? As far as I know the game is still on the schedule for 2020.

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09/05 - Delaware
09/12 - Mississippi State
09/19 - at Troy
TBD
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SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao
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(08-04-2017 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao

Amen.
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(08-04-2017 07:01 AM)joshdude182 Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 06:56 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 10:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 09:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Maybe on the east coast they do but not here... like I said in an earlier post, my hardcore southern Baptist friend hadn't even heard of them.

He must not be very "hardcore". Like it or not what the NCST fan said is factual, Liberty is more well known nation wide as a college than any school in the SBC. Football not so much, as App would hold that title for the Michigan game. Good or bad more people know who Liberty is and that's undeniable. Anytime they breathe they stir the pot and that's what makes them Liberty.


Since the NCST fan can't back up the recgnition claim and given that you agree with him, take the time now and back up your claim with some substance as I requesed. Give me something to support such bull****!

I'm with the Ark State guys here. I had never heard of Liberty and likely would never have heard of them if I didn't follow this Sun Belt board. I don't know anyone that is aware of Liberty, to my knowledge.

My experience as well (the bolded). As for being known as an online diploma mill worldwide, that distinction goes to the University of Phoenix and I sincerely doubt people would pack the stands to go watch them at Ladd-Peebles Stadium either.

That stated, I've said it before and I'll say it again - congrats and best of luck to Liberty for doing what they're doing and attempting to accomplish on the gridiron.
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(08-04-2017 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao


No problem here with Liberty. I get little upset when its said we have less name recognition than the Flames and no one has backed up that statement with nothing than some unsupported opinion. I want facts.
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(08-04-2017 01:20 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao


No problem here with Liberty. I get little upset when its said we have less name recognition than the Flames and no one has backed up that statement with nothing than some unsupported opinion. I want facts.

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(08-04-2017 06:56 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  As a disclaimer, how baptist are you?

I think you measure this by how quickly you can take down and put away a folding table.
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(08-04-2017 03:23 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 01:20 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao


No problem here with Liberty. I get little upset when its said we have less name recognition than the Flames and no one has backed up that statement with nothing than some unsupported opinion. I want facts.

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Kids...a little perspective here. There is no way to objectively measure name brand recognition. We could look at football attendance, TV viewers, freshmen applicants, living alumni, and other metrics, but none tell the objective story and all are subject to the whims of higher education, in general. We could debate the metrics all day long, but it is a circular argument. Now...Carry on as you were.
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(08-04-2017 01:20 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-04-2017 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  SB Fans, I sincerely apologize if I offended. That was not goal and I was just stating my opinion. Again, I said most SB teams might not be known as well. I enjoy watching SB football and think it is safe to say I have stated your conference has been underrated. I am rooting for App to be the G5 rep. I remember being impressed by Ga So in their first season in the SBC and to this day thank them for beating themselves because we surely did not beat them due to our quality of play. I hope for a highly successful season for all your teams and will be rooting for you unless it is an ACC team (minus the University of No Class) Note, that reference now has two connotations now. 03-wink As well, I will be rooting for Liberty's success as an independent so it might inspire other schools to explore this option.

Now, I will state this part should be read with a snarky voice and hopefully you all will get the humor it is meant with. The mention of Liberty apparently causes many SB Fans to go crazy and act like the delusional AAC fans 03-lmfao


No problem here with Liberty. I get little upset when its said we have less name recognition than the Flames and no one has backed up that statement with nothing than some unsupported opinion. I want facts.

No way to objectively measure this. Disregard the Flames fans who make this kind of statement.
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(08-06-2017 01:21 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Kids...a little perspective here. There is no way to objectively measure name brand recognition. We could look at football attendance, TV viewers, freshmen applicants, living alumni, and other metrics, but none tell the objective story and all are subject to the whims of higher education, in general. We could debate the metrics all day long, but it is a circular argument. Now...Carry on as you were.


I disagree strongly. I gave several examples of national recognition received by several teams in the SBC. No one has even attempted to offer one example for the Flames. National championships matter and we have several with App, Georgia Southern, ULM and Troy I believe. Coastal can claim a NCAA divison 1 championship in baseball. The league can claim several national appearances against the biggest teams in the country, Troy and App
are getting votes right now in the top 25. ULM has several wins against the SEC and South Alabama did it to Miss State last year. The list goes on and on. What recognition does Liberty offer in response?
I have no problems with the Flames but facts are facts and the only recognition you offer is your Falwell publicity and being one of the largest online schools in the country. I'm not knocking either but to suggest you have more sports recognition is nuts! And this ain't a circular argument in the sports world!
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Why entertain this thread. Liberty is not a SBC team. Kill this please,
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(08-06-2017 01:21 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Kids...a little perspective here. There is no way to objectively measure name brand recognition. We could look at football attendance, TV viewers, freshmen applicants, living alumni, and other metrics, but none tell the objective story and all are subject to the whims of higher education, in general. We could debate the metrics all day long, but it is a circular argument. Now...Carry on as you were.


I disagree strongly. I gave several examples of national recognition received by several teams in the SBC. No one has even attempted to offer one example for the Flames. National championships matter and we have several with App, Georgia Southern, ULM and Troy I believe. Coastal can claim a NCAA divison 1 championship in baseball. The league can claim several national appearances against the biggest teams in the country, Troy and App
are getting votes right now in the top 25. ULM has several wins against the SEC and South Alabama did it to Miss State last year. The list goes on and on. What recognition does Liberty offer in response?
I have no problems with the Flames but facts are facts and the only recognition you offer is your Falwell publicity and being one of the largest online schools in the country. I'm not knocking either but to suggest you have more sports recognition is nuts! And this ain't a circular argument in the sports world!


Well in that case, for one, our unusual move to FBS as a private independent sent shockwaves through the national football landscape. Hiring Ian McCaw was another. While this might not be the same kind of recognition ASU received for three national titles in a row or beating Michigan, it does get the word out. You asked for recognition, not football titles afterall.
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