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RE: Princeton Review
I remember several years back when the admissions director got in some hot water for saying if he could
fill all the slots with kids from Texas, he would.
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(08-02-2017 08:55 AM)davidw Wrote:  Well, in the end everyone usually gets what they deserve. If northern/left coast kids labor under misconceptions, then that just leaves a spot open for the kids that don't. No prob.

Not misconception.

Bigotry, prejudice and irony.

My daughter went to an international school here. She had a great Race Relations class with a great teacher.

In a class discussion, a large group of students (it's a very liberal school) started talking about all the hateful Christians in this country and particularly the South.

My daughter asked them specifically what they meant. They spouted off several 'facts' about Christians. She asked them if they had ever met anyone who met their description. They said no. She asked them if they felt SHE met their description. They unanimously said no.

My daughter was of course 'different'. Well "that doesn't apply to you."

The teacher was very pleased with the interchange after it all was said and done.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 09:06 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 08:55 AM)davidw Wrote:  Well, in the end everyone usually gets what they deserve. If northern/left coast kids labor under misconceptions, then that just leaves a spot open for the kids that don't. No prob.

Not misconception.

Bigotry, prejudice and irony.


My daughter went to an international school here. She had a great Race Relations class with a great teacher.

In a class discussion, a large group of students (it's a very liberal school) started talking about all the hateful Christians in this country and particularly the South.

My daughter asked them specifically what they meant. They spouted off several 'facts' about Christians. She asked them if they had ever met anyone who met their description. They said no. She asked them if they felt SHE met their description. They unanimously said no.

My daughter was of course 'different'. Well "that doesn't apply to you."

The teacher was very pleased with the interchange after it all was said and done.

Some of this is misconception, but some of it is real...and it's not just the perception of the kids applying, but their parents and friends that have an influence.

Calling it bigotry, prejudice and irony is special. One could say the exact same thing about some Texans view of Northeasterners and West Coasters.
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I've run into this image others from far away have of Texans as a bunch of tobacco-chewing, gun-toting, racist, illiterate, religious types. Usually they just wrap the whole package up in the word "rednecks".

TV doesn't help. Anybody want to go live in an entire state populated with people like Sheldon's mother? (Big Bang Theory). I presume the upcoming series Young Sheldon will only exacerbate the image.

I have a completely different image of what redneck means. But then, I know some.

I can see why some people would not want to go to school with a bunch of rednecks in a redneck state, if that is their understanding of what 'redneck" means.

The promotional videos that some here do not like do a good job of refuting that image, I think. At least they don't show anybody as "future doctor - cow tipper".
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(08-02-2017 10:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I've run into this image others from far away have of Texans as a bunch of tobacco-chewing, gun-toting, racist, illiterate, religious types. Usually they just wrap the whole package up in the word "rednecks".

TV doesn't help. Anybody want to go live in an entire state populated with people like Sheldon's mother? (Big Bang Theory). I presume the upcoming series Young Sheldon will only exacerbate the image.

I have a completely different image of what redneck means. But then, I know some.

I can see why some people would not want to go to school with a bunch of rednecks in a redneck state, if that is their understanding of what 'redneck" means.

The promotional videos that some here do not like do a good job of refuting that image, I think. At least they don't show anybody as "future doctor - cow tipper".

Buddy, IMO, it's not so much the redneck image, but more the perceptions surrounding politics and religion...and the very real issue some have with the hot, humid weather (which can be VERY unpleasant for those who have not experienced it and who are not used to it). It's the weather which is the primary reason I have not bought a second home in Houston (given I'm on campus 40 - 60 days a year). And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like. That's reality.
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(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 10:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I've run into this image others from far away have of Texans as a bunch of tobacco-chewing, gun-toting, racist, illiterate, religious types. Usually they just wrap the whole package up in the word "rednecks".

TV doesn't help. Anybody want to go live in an entire state populated with people like Sheldon's mother? (Big Bang Theory). I presume the upcoming series Young Sheldon will only exacerbate the image.

I have a completely different image of what redneck means. But then, I know some.

I can see why some people would not want to go to school with a bunch of rednecks in a redneck state, if that is their understanding of what 'redneck" means.

The promotional videos that some here do not like do a good job of refuting that image, I think. At least they don't show anybody as "future doctor - cow tipper".

Buddy, IMO, it's not so much the redneck image, but more the perceptions surrounding politics and religion...and the very real issue some have with the hot, humid weather (which can be VERY unpleasant for those who have not experienced it and who are not used to it). It's the weather which is the primary reason I have not bought a second home in Houston (given I'm on campus 40 - 60 days a year). And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like. That's reality.

The redneck image is brought up a lot in discussions of politics and religion. For example, the bathroom bill. What else can a right thinking Yankee expect of a bunch of rednecks? And why should that Yankee want to go live down there as if in the Dark Ages?


Heat and humidity. You have a point - nobody likes the weather in Houston, not even Texans. When I attended Rice, I lived in the old section of a college, with no AC. I could watch the green air from Pasadena waft by at night. Nobody complained, not even the New Yorkers who lived down the hall from me. But that was a long time ago. Expectations are different now.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 09:11 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 09:06 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 08:55 AM)davidw Wrote:  Well, in the end everyone usually gets what they deserve. If northern/left coast kids labor under misconceptions, then that just leaves a spot open for the kids that don't. No prob.

Not misconception.

Bigotry, prejudice and irony.


My daughter went to an international school here. She had a great Race Relations class with a great teacher.

In a class discussion, a large group of students (it's a very liberal school) started talking about all the hateful Christians in this country and particularly the South.

My daughter asked them specifically what they meant. They spouted off several 'facts' about Christians. She asked them if they had ever met anyone who met their description. They said no. She asked them if they felt SHE met their description. They unanimously said no.

My daughter was of course 'different'. Well "that doesn't apply to you."

The teacher was very pleased with the interchange after it all was said and done.

Some of this is misconception, but some of it is real...and it's not just the perception of the kids applying, but their parents and friends that have an influence.

Calling it bigotry, prejudice and irony is special. One could say the exact same thing about some Texans view of Northeasterners and West Coasters.

I agree with you 100%.

The difference is that most non-southern liberals feel justified in doing it because they are 'smarter' or 'superior', because people who are different than them (as described in this thread "religious" or "gun crazed") are either bigots or prejudiced.

The irony is that the definitions of prejudice and bigotry are broad enough to encompass intellectual or moral judgments as well as racial, sexist, or religious ones.

The vast majority of people who live in Chicago (where you currently reside, IIRC) have no connection to the obscene homicide rates publicized nationally.
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(08-02-2017 11:10 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  The difference is that most non-southern liberals feel justified in doing it...

Most?
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To be fair, how many Texans think California is the "land of fruits and nuts?"
I'm from Louisiana. My family was not thrilled when I was considering grad school in NYC.
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A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.
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