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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 03:22 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I would say that while Dallas is still very much a no man's land, TCU has done a great job of capitalizing on the Big 12 and selling itself as Fort Worth's hometown team. There's just a different level of presence here now that wasn't there even 5-6 years ago when I first moved back to the area here with things like Go Purple Fridays program with the City of Fort Worth. TCU's strategy of trying to be Fort Worth's team rather than all of DFWs team (for now) is doing a great job of brand building which is often hard for small private schools.

Focusing on Fort Worth has helped TCU, but they're still limited in how many fans they can attract. I worked in Fort Worth for 10 years, and knew many people that wouldn't spend money to watch a university they couldn't afford to attend. I still believe most would agree, much of their attendance is driven by their Big 12 affiliation.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:07 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:31 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You don't. It's meaningless.

You determine the size of their fan base, the size of the population that watches them in hopes that they lose, and the size of th epopulation that's willing to watch them due to their quality of play (i.e. people that just want a good game).

It probably only matters for the regional games.

Quality of the teams is probably the driving metric, even in a lopsided game. Alabama vs its FCS opponent will draw better than USF - Stony Brook, even for part of the game.

Size of the market the school is located in is probably an opening point in negotiations because you have to start somewhere or you are looking at potential numbers. Rutgers/BC/Temple will all have more potential viewers than WVU because they are located in bigger markets. Whether those are realized viewers is a different question.

Alabama, Miami, etc. all have national draw so market size doesn't matter.

It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
Truthfully I think the size of a team's market is largely irrelevant. The only time it really matters is if you are big enough to have a conference network and are getting paid by the subscriber for carriage regardless if they tune in or not.

There are plenty of big time schools that play in tiny towns but their appeal is statewide or even region or nationwide. There are plenty of examples of programs that lay in big cities but don't enjoy massive fan support. Not to pick on anyone but San Jose St, Temple, North Texas, Charlotte, and and Georgia St are just a few.

The best way to gauge the value of a team and the size of its fanbase is in attendance, tv ratings, and merchandise sales. A school in a big market can be attractive to a conference because of access to recruits or alums but a big market doesn't mean a better program.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 04:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:07 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:31 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You don't. It's meaningless.

You determine the size of their fan base, the size of the population that watches them in hopes that they lose, and the size of th epopulation that's willing to watch them due to their quality of play (i.e. people that just want a good game).

It probably only matters for the regional games.

Quality of the teams is probably the driving metric, even in a lopsided game. Alabama vs its FCS opponent will draw better than USF - Stony Brook, even for part of the game.

Size of the market the school is located in is probably an opening point in negotiations because you have to start somewhere or you are looking at potential numbers. Rutgers/BC/Temple will all have more potential viewers than WVU because they are located in bigger markets. Whether those are realized viewers is a different question.

Alabama, Miami, etc. all have national draw so market size doesn't matter.

It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.

Well it also isn't 2000. I know you don't like to admit that. Today's recruits were born in 2000
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 05:23 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:07 PM)megadrone Wrote:  It probably only matters for the regional games.

Quality of the teams is probably the driving metric, even in a lopsided game. Alabama vs its FCS opponent will draw better than USF - Stony Brook, even for part of the game.

Size of the market the school is located in is probably an opening point in negotiations because you have to start somewhere or you are looking at potential numbers. Rutgers/BC/Temple will all have more potential viewers than WVU because they are located in bigger markets. Whether those are realized viewers is a different question.

Alabama, Miami, etc. all have national draw so market size doesn't matter.

It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.

Well it also isn't 2000. I know you don't like to admit that. Today's recruits were born in 2000

You are correct. But the Syracuse fan thinks linking YouTube videos proves something when it doesn't.

The videos linked don't prove they were shown on any network/channel in the Philadelphia market. In some cases, these games were relegated to stations that showed low budget syndicated shows the other hours of the day. In some cases, they didn't even make it on a channel. Those games were part of the old Big East network but as someone who went to Temple in the late 90s, games with Miami or one of the higher ranked Big East teams would normally be shown. But the local networks rarely showed Temple playing Pitt, Syracuse, etc. They never showed non-conference games unless it was Penn State or a team of that caliber.

My point about 2012 is this is the first time Temple football and basketball can be found on national TV regularly wth ESPN/2/U/News or CBS Sports.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 03:22 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I would say that while Dallas is still very much a no man's land, TCU has done a great job of capitalizing on the Big 12 and selling itself as Fort Worth's hometown team. There's just a different level of presence here now that wasn't there even 5-6 years ago when I first moved back to the area here with things like Go Purple Fridays program with the City of Fort Worth. TCU's strategy of trying to be Fort Worth's team rather than all of DFWs team (for now) is doing a great job of brand building which is often hard for small private schools.

Focusing on Fort Worth has helped TCU, but they're still limited in how many fans they can attract. I worked in Fort Worth for 10 years, and knew many people that wouldn't spend money to watch a university they couldn't afford to attend. I still believe most would agree, much of their attendance is driven by their Big 12 affiliation.

You can give credit to the new conference but the old perception is changing. I know so many folks here in FW who have adopted TCU as their team even with no affiliation. TCU gear is everywhere now and interest is growing.

I agree that there is definitely a ceiling with a small school but I also truly believe that TCU has the potential to be Texas' equivalent of Miami in terms of the private school people root for even with no affiliation. That will depend on continued FB success but Gary Patterson has already proven he can win the B12 and be in the playoff conversation
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 05:23 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 12:07 PM)megadrone Wrote:  It probably only matters for the regional games.

Quality of the teams is probably the driving metric, even in a lopsided game. Alabama vs its FCS opponent will draw better than USF - Stony Brook, even for part of the game.

Size of the market the school is located in is probably an opening point in negotiations because you have to start somewhere or you are looking at potential numbers. Rutgers/BC/Temple will all have more potential viewers than WVU because they are located in bigger markets. Whether those are realized viewers is a different question.

Alabama, Miami, etc. all have national draw so market size doesn't matter.

It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.

Well it also isn't 2000. I know you don't like to admit that. Today's recruits were born in 2000

I stopped at 2000 because I figured nobody would be dumb enough to argue that Temple wasn't on TV in the 00's.

But since you're that guy, here ya go:

Here's a Temple game from 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKSpSHb7ho

Here's a Temple game from 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLb1R5i8O-Q

Here's a Temple game from 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg0sfySD9vc

Here's a Temple game from 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7blkxyDqdI0

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMOTBP57HM

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YLZog9jS8

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nRWQKzRQY

Here's a Temple game from 2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2vl3fxgNn4

Here's a Temple game from 2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0bzsLjMvo

Here's a Temple game from 2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zMTs2mLDqg

Here's a Temple game from 2007:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bulmfi_Wfo

Here's a Temple game from 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHVY18AwHQ

Here's a Temple game from 2009:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390OtJtik7w

Here's a Temple game from 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYf-M3HcuJ0

Here's a Temple game from 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcsSa6mwGk

I assume that we can agree that today's recruits don't only remember the years between 2010 and when Temple rejoined the BIG EAST. Btw, these games are shockingly easy to find. This search literally took less than 45 seconds.

Also, your point about recruits is irrelevant. We're talking about TV dollars.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 05:37 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 05:23 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.

Well it also isn't 2000. I know you don't like to admit that. Today's recruits were born in 2000

You are correct. But the Syracuse fan thinks linking YouTube videos proves something when it doesn't.

The videos linked don't prove they were shown on any network/channel in the Philadelphia market. In some cases, these games were relegated to stations that showed low budget syndicated shows the other hours of the day. In some cases, they didn't even make it on a channel. Those games were part of the old Big East network but as someone who went to Temple in the late 90s, games with Miami or one of the higher ranked Big East teams would normally be shown. But the local networks rarely showed Temple playing Pitt, Syracuse, etc. They never showed non-conference games unless it was Penn State or a team of that caliber.

My point about 2012 is this is the first time Temple football and basketball can be found on national TV regularly wth ESPN/2/U/News or CBS Sports.

Good Lord, I found ~30 games that were televised via a 3 minute search (counting search in the post above this one). The games span from 1982 until 2010, and we both agree that Temple was on TV from 2012-present day. That's 35 years of televised games, with about 30 years of regularly televised games. 30 years undeniably counts as decades. And games on various channels at various times of day on various days of the week at various points in the season against various opponents is exactly what you would need to run a regression to determine how much value the school adds. I have no idea why you're trying to knock my links for being too diverse, unless you fundamentally don't understand statistics.

Also, and I can't stress this point enough, these links were the result of 3 minutes of searching on youtube. There are probably many more on youtube, and there are probably many games that were televised but not loaded on youtube because Temple doesn't have a passionate fan base.

Next, Temple basketball has significantly more games on TV than football for a number of reasons. Lumping in hoops just hurts your argument.

Lastly, and I also can't stress this point enough, in addition to being wrong, you're arguing an irrelevant point. My comment was "most schools." Trying to cherry pick one school doesn't prove anything.
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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-29-2017 05:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Truthfully I think the size of a team's market is largely irrelevant. The only time it really matters is if you are big enough to have a conference network and are getting paid by the subscriber for carriage regardless if they tune in or not.

There are plenty of big time schools that play in tiny towns but their appeal is statewide or even region or nationwide. There are plenty of examples of programs that lay in big cities but don't enjoy massive fan support. Not to pick on anyone but San Jose St, Temple, North Texas, Charlotte, and and Georgia St are just a few.

The best way to gauge the value of a team and the size of its fanbase is in attendance, tv ratings, and merchandise sales. A school in a big market can be attractive to a conference because of access to recruits or alums but a big market doesn't mean a better program.

NO. It still does not matter. Anybody who understands the concept of price elasticities, efficient markets, and weighted averages can tell you why. Markets do NOT matter for TV. They only matter for recruiting. Otherwise, fans matter.
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(07-29-2017 06:06 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 05:23 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:36 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's not like almost all of these schools haven't been televised for decades.

Temple's value would be the same if they were located in Altoona. A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value.

You are incorrect about Temple as usual. Just an FYI, we are no longer in the 90s/early 00s and the Temple you continually post about bears no resemblance to the Temple of today.

They havent been televised for decades and weren't during their time as a football only member in the Big East (and that is probably a good thing as we all know how they performed then).

They were on TV some of the time in the MAC and have only started to be televised regularly in football and basketball when they moved back to the Big East in 2012 and the current AAC.

1. I don't post about Temple enough to have a usual.
2. I said "most schools."
3. Temple absolutely was televised when they were in the BIG EAST contract. Pretending that Temple's first televised games were in 2012 is ludicrous. See below for proof to the contrary.
4. Nothing in your post actually disputes my comment that:
"A large population of indifferent people who happen to live near a school doesn't add any value."

Here's a Temple game from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3LasQ7fHY

Here's a Temple game from 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygAiJOeuSA

Here's a Temple game from 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chpd-SUGP0

Here's a Temple game from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0JbQYxNCY

Here's a Temple game from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgSmu18c_w

Here's a Temple game from 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOPQhIUz14

Here's a Temple game from 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oYFOpyp3I

Here's a Temple game from 1996:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxhWd6B7V4

Here's a Temple game from 1997:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7PJWy3oQY

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJIw_8FAI

Here's a Temple game from 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kO0VgGatEY

Here's a Temple game from 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDEE2Kh8To

That took all of 2 minutes on Youtube, and I'd keep going, but I think I made my point.

Well it also isn't 2000. I know you don't like to admit that. Today's recruits were born in 2000

I stopped at 2000 because I figured nobody would be dumb enough to argue that Temple wasn't on TV in the 00's.

But since you're that guy, here ya go:

Here's a Temple game from 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKSpSHb7ho

Here's a Temple game from 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLb1R5i8O-Q

Here's a Temple game from 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg0sfySD9vc

Here's a Temple game from 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7blkxyDqdI0

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMOTBP57HM

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YLZog9jS8

Here's a Temple game from 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nRWQKzRQY

Here's a Temple game from 2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2vl3fxgNn4

Here's a Temple game from 2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0bzsLjMvo

Here's a Temple game from 2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zMTs2mLDqg

Here's a Temple game from 2007:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bulmfi_Wfo

Here's a Temple game from 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHVY18AwHQ

Here's a Temple game from 2009:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390OtJtik7w

Here's a Temple game from 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYf-M3HcuJ0

Here's a Temple game from 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcsSa6mwGk

I assume that we can agree that today's recruits don't only remember the years between 2010 and when Temple rejoined the BIG EAST. Btw, these games are shockingly easy to find. This search literally took less than 45 seconds.

Whether I am dumb or not, you have a reading comprehension problem. Half the games you linked followed a similar pattern as the late 90s and does not mean it was shown regionally in Philadelphia. The other half were games at Penn State (with one year at the Linc) which I addressed. The last game is highlights against Nova in 2010 that was on ESPN3.
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