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(07-31-2017 10:07 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 08:03 AM)JSA Wrote:  
(07-28-2017 10:11 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  It shows that students who have killer skills/ambitions and unexpected interests/activities are welcome at Rice.

I like it.

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My nephew has a Bachelors in Economics and Performance Percussion, but from Oberlin. Shepherd wouldn't let him double major.

I've heard of Rice music students managing to get a dual degree, B. Mus. and B.A., but they had to to sneak it past their music advisors. The Shepherd School of Music officially doesn't allow it. Shepherd wants their students completely focused on music and only seem to view distribution and general university requirements as a technicality of being part of Rice, but the Registrar/rest of administration only care that the student completes the stated minimums for the two degrees. Students who do this have to come in with enough AP credit that they can use their few elective hours to complete B.A. requirements and hope that their advisors in Shepherd don't realize that they're taking enough advanced classes in their second degree to graduate with it or else that can be used as grounds to dismiss them from the music program. The School of Music doesn't realize what these students have done until they're walking across the stage at commencement by which point it's too late to revoke their B. Mus.

The School of Architecture also doesn't allow dual degrees*, but I never met an archi who was able to accomplish all of their work without putting in 60 hours per week. I don't see how it could be done. At the same time, there isn't much chance for a musi to get a B.S. They just require too many hours, even taking the few summer school classes they might get to sneak through around the school's expectation of summer performances.

*If I recall, one of the reasons Andrew Luck cited for going to Stanford instead of Rice was that they allowed him to get a B.A. in architecture while playing football. Rice only offers the architecture B.A. to students who were attempting in good faith to get the B. Arch. and decided late in their time at Rice that they don't want to pursue a career in architecture. It's supposed to be an out for those students to be able to graduate in four years instead of having to spend another three or four semesters working on a major from another school at Rice. The B. Arch. is so intensive that it's not open to double majors or varsity athletes, and admission to the B. Arch. program is prerequisite for finishing with the B.A. in architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if Shepherd has the same rule, but I've never heard of a top athlete who was also a top musician.

I knew two people (vocal and piano performance majors) who double majored. One in economics and one in German studies. But they were certainly in the minority of musis and both had sufficient AP credit that they were able to use their "free" class slots towards their second major instead of having to using them purely for distribution requirements.
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RE: New TV Commercial
(07-31-2017 10:07 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 08:03 AM)JSA Wrote:  
(07-28-2017 10:11 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  It shows that students who have killer skills/ambitions and unexpected interests/activities are welcome at Rice.

I like it.

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My nephew has a Bachelors in Economics and Performance Percussion, but from Oberlin. Shepherd wouldn't let him double major.

I've heard of Rice music students managing to get a dual degree, B. Mus. and B.A., but they had to to sneak it past their music advisors. The Shepherd School of Music officially doesn't allow it. Shepherd wants their students completely focused on music and only seem to view distribution and general university requirements as a technicality of being part of Rice, but the Registrar/rest of administration only care that the student completes the stated minimums for the two degrees. Students who do this have to come in with enough AP credit that they can use their few elective hours to complete B.A. requirements and hope that their advisors in Shepherd don't realize that they're taking enough advanced classes in their second degree to graduate with it or else that can be used as grounds to dismiss them from the music program. The School of Music doesn't realize what these students have done until they're walking across the stage at commencement by which point it's too late to revoke their B. Mus.

The School of Architecture also doesn't allow dual degrees*, but I never met an archi who was able to accomplish all of their work without putting in 60 hours per week. I don't see how it could be done. At the same time, there isn't much chance for a musi to get a B.S. They just require too many hours, even taking the few summer school classes they might get to sneak through around the school's expectation of summer performances.

*If I recall, one of the reasons Andrew Luck cited for going to Stanford instead of Rice was that they allowed him to get a B.A. in architecture while playing football. Rice only offers the architecture B.A. to students who were attempting in good faith to get the B. Arch. and decided late in their time at Rice that they don't want to pursue a career in architecture. It's supposed to be an out for those students to be able to graduate in four years instead of having to spend another three or four semesters working on a major from another school at Rice. The B. Arch. is so intensive that it's not open to double majors or varsity athletes, and admission to the B. Arch. program is prerequisite for finishing with the B.A. in architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if Shepherd has the same rule, but I've never heard of a top athlete who was also a top musician.

According to Alan Green's bio, he "attended Rice University on a football scholarship, majoring in pre-law but ended up graduating with a B.A. in Vocal Performance from Rice’s Shepherd School of Music."

This was back in the 90s.

http://www.alanhgreen.com/bio/
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(07-31-2017 10:07 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  If I recall, one of the reasons Andrew Luck cited for going to Stanford instead of Rice was that they allowed him to get a B.A. in architecture while playing football.

Luck did not major in architecture at Stanford. He majored in architectural design, which is a non-accredited major offered by the Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering. According to the major website:

"Combining hands-on architectural design studios with a wide variety of courses, students can choose from a broad mix of elective courses concerning energy conservation, sustainability, building systems, structures, along with design foundation and fine arts courses.
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This engineering major is not an ABET-accredited engineering degree, nor is it designed to lead directly to professional licensure in architecture. To become a professional architect or engineer, additional graduate training is required."
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(07-31-2017 11:22 AM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  According to Alan Green's bio, he "attended Rice University on a football scholarship, majoring in pre-law but ended up graduating with a B.A. in Vocal Performance from Rice’s Shepherd School of Music."

This was back in the 90s.

http://www.alanhgreen.com/bio/

"Pre-law" is not a major. The term may describe a student's intention at the time, but it is impossible to declare "pre-law" as a major.
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(07-31-2017 02:56 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:07 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  If I recall, one of the reasons Andrew Luck cited for going to Stanford instead of Rice was that they allowed him to get a B.A. in architecture while playing football.

Luck did not major in architecture at Stanford. He majored in architectural design, which is a non-accredited major offered by the Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering. According to the major website:

"Combining hands-on architectural design studios with a wide variety of courses, students can choose from a broad mix of elective courses concerning energy conservation, sustainability, building systems, structures, along with design foundation and fine arts courses.
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This engineering major is not an ABET-accredited engineering degree, nor is it designed to lead directly to professional licensure in architecture. To become a professional architect or engineer, additional graduate training is required."

Luck's major was largely BS. Not that he needs it, but my archi friends who were sports fans were always peeved when the sports media would say he was majoring in architecture, etc.
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(07-31-2017 03:02 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 11:22 AM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  According to Alan Green's bio, he "attended Rice University on a football scholarship, majoring in pre-law but ended up graduating with a B.A. in Vocal Performance from Rice’s Shepherd School of Music."

This was back in the 90s.

http://www.alanhgreen.com/bio/

"Pre-law" is not a major. The term may describe a student's intention at the time, but it is impossible to declare "pre-law" as a major.

Neither, I've been told, is "eligibility".
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(07-30-2017 08:20 PM)wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:  I asked our former CEO why his kids were considering Ivies instead of Rice, and he said that he thought Rice had a suicide problem (I told him I hadn't heard of that) due to grade pressures.

Egad -- that was the rumor in the late 1970s!

Actually, early to mid '70s. When I was applying in 1973 - '74, the Yalee hand book that year claimed Rice was first or second in the country in campus suicides.

Yeah, and that Cornell was #1.
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My freshman year (63-64) there was a spate of suicides - about 5 or 6. In a school of 1700 back then, it seemed like a lot. The rest of my time there I knew of only 2 attempts (1 successful).
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(08-01-2017 03:34 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:23 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:06 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 08:20 PM)wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:  I asked our former CEO why his kids were considering Ivies instead of Rice, and he said that he thought Rice had a suicide problem (I told him I hadn't heard of that) due to grade pressures.

Egad -- that was the rumor in the late 1970s!

Actually, early to mid '70s. When I was applying in 1973 - '74, the Yalee hand book that year claimed Rice was first or second in the country in campus suicides.

Yeah, and that Cornell was #1.

I remember that. It also said Rice undergrads were either pre-med, pre-law, or pre-Exxon.
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(08-01-2017 03:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  My freshman year (63-64) there was a spate of suicides - about 5 or 6. In a school of 1700 back then, it seemed like a lot. The rest of my time there I knew of only 2 attempts (1 successful).

I know your support is strong. But I was talking to a professor over the weekend who said the school has learned there
are certain classes they should leave alone as far as fund raising. It seems like that for several years Rice was
hard just for the sake of being hard.
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