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To Buy or Not to Buy - FB Season Tickets
Wondering why I should continue to show my support of Owls football program by buying season tickets this year.

I am a longtime fan and have bought them for over 35 years, but am hesitant to invest another year in the DB regime.

Seems that the only small way to show my displeasure and frustration is through cancellation of my tickets.

Any comments or counter-arguments I should consider?

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07-26-2017 08:10 PM
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I feel your pain, and was in the exact same boat. I sent a message to JK and the athletic department by holding out (and they all knew why I was doing it, and what my beefs were). However, i finally gave in last week with the "Beat the Heat" promo last week, and got my season tickets (but not my renewed seats) for $90. Given I'm likely going to make it down for only 1 - 2 games, and I spend much of my time up in the Stadium Club, the actual seat locations are almost irrelevant to me.
07-26-2017 09:51 PM
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I am more optimistic this year than last. With the new defensive scheme, large O line, strong RB depth, I think we will surprise some folks. I don't know if we can make it back to a bowl, but I expect more wins than most predict. Now where did I put my rose colored glasses and Koolaid...
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07-26-2017 10:18 PM
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(07-26-2017 10:18 PM)jhruzek Wrote:  I am more optimistic this year than last. With the new defensive scheme, large O line, strong RB depth, I think we will surprise some folks. I don't know if we can make it back to a bowl, but I expect more wins than most predict. Now where did I put my rose colored glasses and Koolaid...

I think the new defensive coaches and the new defensive scheme are interesting at least. There's certainly reason to hope the defense will be improved this year, and if that's the case, there's hope that the team will improve on their record the past 2 years.

Bailiff has had good records when he's had talented players. The question will be whether the current players have gained sufficient size and strength and whether any of the new players can step right in and contribute.

It's July and there's plenty of room for hope at this point. Whether there's enough hope to justify season tickets is an individual decision.
07-26-2017 10:42 PM
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(07-26-2017 08:10 PM)owlman70 Wrote:  Wondering why I should continue to show my support of Owls football program by buying season tickets this year.

I am a longtime fan and have bought them for over 35 years, but am hesitant to invest another year in the DB regime.

Seems that the only small way to show my displeasure and frustration is through cancellation of my tickets.

Any comments or counter-arguments I should consider?

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ESPN is giving the Owls a 1.7% chance if defeating Stanford. Does that help your decision?

BTW - I renewed.
07-27-2017 12:00 AM
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I have a very low bar for measuring success this season. I'm optimistic our defense will be improved. I'm hopeful that our offense is more imaginative.
I'll be relatively satisfied if we are at least competitive against teams that have cleaned our clocks the past 2 seasons... LaTech, USM, Stanford etc.
I'm looking at this season as a prelude to a winning season in 2018.
I renewed.
07-27-2017 09:21 AM
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(07-27-2017 09:21 AM)greyowl72 Wrote:  I have a very low bar for measuring success this season. I'm optimistic our defense will be improved. I'm hopeful that our offense is more imaginative.
I'll be relatively satisfied if we are at least competitive against teams that have cleaned our clocks the past 2 seasons... LaTech, USM, Stanford etc.
I'm looking at this season as a prelude to a winning season in 2018.
I renewed.

??? Even in Bailiff's best seasons we have not been competitive with teams ranked inside the Top 75 (with only one or two exceptions).
07-27-2017 09:26 AM
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I think it's a indication of something, just not sure what, that as I sit here reading this thread I don't know whether I've bought them or not.
07-27-2017 09:57 AM
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Simple. If you think your nonrenewal will hasten the departure of Bailiff and the arrival of Coach Whozat, don't renew.

otherwise, renew.

(Based on the assumption that Bailiff is the critical factor in a judgement to renew or not renew)
07-27-2017 10:12 AM
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No need to agonize over this decision IMO. Rice is gonna Rice no matter what you do with your tickets.

The athletic budget is around $35M. Rice subsidizes most of that and IIRC ticket sales (across all sports, not just FB) account for maybe just 10%. Upticks and downticks in that number don't cause enough economic pressure to affect decision making. Rice doesn't run the athletic department with profit in mind, anyway; the ambition of our athletic program is driven by much larger, institutional-level concerns such as: What level of athletic program (starting with football) is it beneficial for a first-and-foremost elite academic institution to maintain? Or even appropriate to have?

Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern, et al., have answered those questions one way. UChicago, MIT, Caltech, et al., have answered another way. We, ahem, appear to be alone amongst our peers (unless we're now considering Tulane a peer 05-stirthepot) in pursuing a wholly unsatisfying third way. To the extent you would like to influence that decision making, I'd suggest (assuming a nine-figure donation is out of the question) writing emails or otherwise lobbying the powers that be at Rice. (And good luck with that.)

In the meanwhile, buy tickets and go to games -- or not -- as you wish. If you enjoy fall Saturdays on campus, great! If you like the MOB, if you like tailgating with friends, if you just love watching football no matter the level . . . if you can enjoy our games for what they are, and the fact that they are inconsequential, lower-division contests against schools we have nothing in common with does not detract from that, then why deny yourself those pleasures to send a message that will never even be felt? Heck, for that matter, if you want to go in a different direction coaching-wise, buy tickets so you can boo DB and staff - that is frankly more likely to be noticed than one more empty seat in a veritable sea of them.

Sorry to be so cynical, but 30 years of attendance and alumnihood have convinced me that to the extent Rice even notices ticket sales fluctuations, it interprets dwindling interest as justification to not upgrade the athletic program, and interprets rising interest as justification to stay the course . . . i.e., not upgrading the athletic program.
07-27-2017 10:23 AM
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