I'm a Big 10 guy. I'll pick 6 teams from that conference, you pick 6 from yours and let's debate who would have the better conference. All for fun, I have respect for all independents, conferences and levels of college football.

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Wisconsin
5. Nebraska
6. Michigan State

How much market value would this conference have on just name's alone? I see a lot of value there but what about population of that footprint? I'm not much of a business minded person, interested for some insight on this. I've seen quite a few here have good opinions and/or facts on these types of things.

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Would like to see an AAC vs MAC matchup too.

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(07-25-2017 04:29 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Would like to see an AAC vs MAC matchup too.

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LOL... Not me


How about the B1G scheduling the AAC in football rather than FCS teams.

There have been quite a few AAC vs BIG matches recently.

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Im MAC & AAC fan, i don't want to see that either
i'll give you 6 pack, every once in awhile
MAC-B-10 play in NFL stadium
i wanted MAC-B-10 to play 6 on labour wkend
NoILL ILL Chicago
BallSt Indiana Indinaoplious
WM MichSt Detriot
Toledo OSU Cleveland
Ohio Kentucky Cincinnati
Buffalo SYC OrchordPark

(07-25-2017 11:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Im MAC & AAC fan, i don't want to see that either
i'll give you 6 pack, every once in awhile
MAC-B-10 play in NFL stadium
i wanted MAC-B-10 to play 6 on labour wkend
NoILL ILL Chicago
BallSt Indiana Indinaoplious
WM MichSt Detriot
Toledo OSU Cleveland
Ohio Kentucky Cincinnati
Buffalo SYC OrchordPark

WTF is a "SYC"? did the B1G add a new team?

BTW, the ACC's SYR (Cuse) would blow out UB by 35 this year.

Coastal Carolina
ULM
Georgia State
Idaho
New Mexico State
Texas State

There's a lot of legacy programs in some of these major conferences that haven't been delivering on the namesake. When you pick the six biggest or best B1G teams, it's tough to compare against other conferences. Even for B1G picks five and six, it gets interesting with the likes of Michigan State and Nebraska...you could make an argument that Iowa and Northwestern might warrant some thought, and that's where the "parity" between the conferences is had, perhaps.

I'll put out two conferences: ACC and PAC. BUT, I'll put in the legacy value to these schools and see how others look to it.

ACC
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pitt
NC State

PAC
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Colorado
Stanford

(07-25-2017 04:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I'm a Big 10 guy. I'll pick 6 teams from that conference, you pick 6 from yours and let's debate who would have the better conference. All for fun, I have respect for all independents, conferences and levels of college football.

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Wisconsin
5. Nebraska
6. Michigan State

How much market value would this conference have on just name's alone? I see a lot of value there but what about population of that footprint? I'm not much of a business minded person, interested for some insight on this. I've seen quite a few here have good opinions and/or facts on these types of things.

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Its a little unclear to me what exactly you are ranking. This year's teams? All time records? Potential? Population? Helmet status? Market value? Stadium size? All of the above?

My 6 for the ACC

1) FSU
2) Clemson
3) Miami
4) Virginia Tech
5) Louisville
6) Pittsburgh

6 is tough. If ND would be available they would be a slam dunk. If not it comes down to Pittsburgh, North Carolina, Duke & GT.


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For Conference USA, one answer would be once again left behinds (in no particular order):
Marshall
UAB
So Miss
Rice
UTEP

La Tech (Chosen as the 6th since they were the first school left out when C-USA back-filled prior to the 2005 season.)

(07-26-2017 08:02 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 04:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I'm a Big 10 guy. I'll pick 6 teams from that conference, you pick 6 from yours and let's debate who would have the better conference. All for fun, I have respect for all independents, conferences and levels of college football.

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Wisconsin
5. Nebraska
6. Michigan State

How much market value would this conference have on just name's alone? I see a lot of value there but what about population of that footprint? I'm not much of a business minded person, interested for some insight on this. I've seen quite a few here have good opinions and/or facts on these types of things.

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Its a little unclear to me what exactly you are ranking. This year's teams? All time records? Potential? Population? Helmet status? Market value? Stadium size? All of the above?

All the above

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(07-26-2017 07:32 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There's a lot of legacy programs in some of these major conferences that haven't been delivering on the namesake. When you pick the six biggest or best B1G teams, it's tough to compare against other conferences. Even for B1G picks five and six, it gets interesting with the likes of Michigan State and Nebraska...you could make an argument that Iowa and Northwestern might warrant some thought, and that's where the "parity" between the conferences is had, perhaps.

I'll put out two conferences: ACC and PAC. BUT, I'll put in the legacy value to these schools and see how others look to it.

ACC
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pitt
NC State

PAC
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Colorado
Stanford

I like this! Just for football those 2 plus the Big would all be pretty even across the board. Some teams have more national pull, some more population (recruiting), some have a bit more history etc... I think my point is, with all the "our conference is the best" talk, once you eliminate mid to bottom tier they are all pretty even.

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(07-25-2017 04:29 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Would like to see an AAC vs MAC matchup too.

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There is no contest. The top 6 in the AAC has hands down stronger brands and value countrywide, not to mention better programs.

MAC
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. NIU
4. WMU
5. Buffalo
6. Miami

AAC
1. UConn
2. Cincinnati
3. Houston
4. Navy
5. USF
6. UCF

(I could replace any of the AAC schools above with ECU, Memphis, SMU and Temple and still be right. )

The bigger debate would be MWC vs. AAC

MWC
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. San Diego State
4. Colorado State
5. Fresno State
6. UNLV

Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Tennessee
Louisiana State
Texas A&M

Rivalries, markets and raw sports power across the board

(07-26-2017 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 04:29 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Would like to see an AAC vs MAC matchup too.

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There is no contest. The top 6 in the AAC has hands down stronger brands and value countrywide, not to mention better programs.

MAC
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. NIU
4. WMU
5. Buffalo
6. Miami

AAC
1. UConn
2. Cincinnati
3. Houston
4. Navy
5. USF
6. UCF

(I could replace any of the AAC schools above with ECU, Memphis, SMU and Temple and still be right. )

The bigger debate would be MWC vs. AAC

MWC
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. San Diego State
4. Colorado State
5. Fresno State
6. UNLV

Agree, I forgot about some of the nicer teams still in the MWC.

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(07-26-2017 10:26 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Tennessee
Louisiana State
Texas A&M

Rivalries, markets and raw sports power across the board

I really like the history of these schools too. That's a tough 6 to beat.

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(07-26-2017 09:13 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 07:32 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There's a lot of legacy programs in some of these major conferences that haven't been delivering on the namesake. When you pick the six biggest or best B1G teams, it's tough to compare against other conferences. Even for B1G picks five and six, it gets interesting with the likes of Michigan State and Nebraska...you could make an argument that Iowa and Northwestern might warrant some thought, and that's where the "parity" between the conferences is had, perhaps.

I'll put out two conferences: ACC and PAC. BUT, I'll put in the legacy value to these schools and see how others look to it.

ACC
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pitt
NC State

PAC
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Colorado
Stanford

I like this! Just for football those 2 plus the Big would all be pretty even across the board. Some teams have more national pull, some more population (recruiting), some have a bit more history etc... I think my point is, with all the "our conference is the best" talk, once you eliminate mid to bottom tier they are all pretty even.

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Yeah, take the legacy component out and gear it toward recency, and who knows who comes onto or hops off that list. I think it's a bit more visible in the ACC, since Miami and Pitt were bigger way before their ACC days, and could/should(?) be swapped out for VT and Louisville.

The PAC's really a tough nut to crack. Colorado made my list because of their Big XII days...nothing from their PAC history. You, again, could/should swap it out for Utah, who isn't much different as a program who made their name in another conference. Washington...man, did they drop off there for a time...would we say Arizona or Arizona State warrant consideration?

(07-26-2017 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 04:29 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Would like to see an AAC vs MAC matchup too.

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There is no contest. The top 6 in the AAC has hands down stronger brands and value countrywide, not to mention better programs.

MAC
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. NIU
4. WMU
5. Buffalo
6. Miami

AAC
1. UConn
2. Cincinnati
3. Houston
4. Navy
5. USF
6. UCF

(I could replace any of the AAC schools above with ECU, Memphis, SMU and Temple and still be right. )

The bigger debate would be MWC vs. AAC

MWC
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. San Diego State
4. Colorado State
5. Fresno State
6. UNLV

As a MAC fan, yah, MAC vs AAC is probably AAC, but I'd take the MAC over CUSA and the Sun Belt.

This past season, the Grand Rapids radio was saying if WMU can sustain this success (like 13-1 every year), they could upgrade to Conference USA, and I'm thinking 'is this guy on crack?' No offense to CUSA, it's just not an upgrade.

MAC vs Mount West is more of a tossup. I don't think the MW is as a good as it used to be when teams like SDSU, Fresno St, and Boise St were all in their primes.

Quote:This past season, the Grand Rapids radio was saying if WMU can sustain this success (like 13-1 every year), they could upgrade to Conference USA, and I'm thinking 'is this guy on crack?' No offense to CUSA, it's just not an upgrade.

Yeah, that's crazy-talk. If anything, one from CUSA would want to join the MAC (if in the midwest for it to be worth it), not the other way around. It's not 2005 (or better yet 2000) anymore.

But there's not a big of a difference to jump either way, due to conference $$ penalty they'd most likely have at the time -- or the hassle in general.

MW has a solid edge on the MAC year to year -- but an edge. AAC is the clear "SEC" of the G5, where everyone else is like the "B12" (although the SEC wasn't so impressive this past year).