(07-25-2017 02:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:33 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

It was a vote to open debate.

It's so ******* retarded that we even have to have a vote for that.

#traditionhastochangeastimemovesforward

(07-25-2017 02:38 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Liberal twitter is melting.

Quote:Kaivan Shroff‏
@KaivanShroff

Imagine being so racist, sexist, and homophobic that you don't mind your grandpa losing his healthcare. This is the modern day GOP. #SaveACA

Apparently Medicare has been repealed. Idiots.

I have eye cramps from rolling my eyes after all these canned insanity sentences from the left. Don't they get that nobody hears that muddled list of stupidity they keep spewing out.

Collins and Murkowski held firm, Capito and Heller took the coward's route.

No matter. They won't be able to actually pass a bill. Debate all you want.

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. Many people lost their healthcare before ACA because of the Precondition health issues which effected everybody in all parties. The blame could go onto the Republicans trying to force a bill that is not even popular. Both House and Senate plan had only like 13% to 17% approval ratings. If the Republicans continue to force those bills? They could lose seats in both house and senate next year. Just like Democrats did with the ACA. Republicans need to work with the Democrats on improving the ACA. Lets move Obama from the notion. It was the same law passed in the state of Massachusetts by Republican Mitt Romney. The ACA or Romney Care was model after the Israeli healthcare system.

(07-25-2017 02:42 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:38 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Liberal twitter is melting.

Quote:Kaivan Shroff‏
@KaivanShroff

Imagine being so racist, sexist, and homophobic that you don't mind your grandpa losing his healthcare. This is the modern day GOP. #SaveACA

Apparently Medicare has been repealed. Idiots.

I have eye cramps from rolling my eyes after all these canned insanity sentences from the left. Don't they get that nobody hears that muddled list of stupidity they keep spewing out.

The elderly on the lower end of Social Security can't afford the drugs. Did you know under Medicare? The elderly are stuck paying for prescriptions shots and all that and the Republicans want to cut the spending for their care even more? My dad have a shot recently that cost $1500 out of pocket, and he can't afford it. He have to pay it in installments.

Since there is no guarantee that I would get my Cadillac plan back if it does revert, do with it what you may.

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. Many people lost their healthcare before ACA because of the Precondition health issues which effected everybody in all parties. The blame could go onto the Republicans trying to force a bill that is not even popular. Both House and Senate plan had only like 13% to 17% disapproval ratings. If the Republicans continue to force those bills? They could lose seats in both house and senate next year. Just like Democrats did with the ACA. Republicans need to work with the Democrats on improving the ACA. Lets move Obama from the notion. It was the same law passed in the state of Massachusetts by Republican Mitt Romney. The ACA or Romney Care was model after the Israeli healthcare system.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. quote from Davy.

If this was true, lady pants suit would be your president. Just because YOU like it doesn't mean the majority does.

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA.

Wrong. It's been a push at it's absolute best.

http://www.kff.org/interactive/kaiser-he...ge=twoYear

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/338...-bill-poll

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Collins and Murkowski held firm, Capito and Heller took the coward's route.

No matter. They won't be able to actually pass a bill. Debate all you want.

that's plausible......

however, I'm betting against.....

when the shite hits the fan, you're simply reduced to a skirt.........what really sucks.....is you already knew that going in.....

(07-25-2017 02:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:42 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:38 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Liberal twitter is melting.

Quote:Kaivan Shroff‏
@KaivanShroff

Imagine being so racist, sexist, and homophobic that you don't mind your grandpa losing his healthcare. This is the modern day GOP. #SaveACA

Apparently Medicare has been repealed. Idiots.

I have eye cramps from rolling my eyes after all these canned insanity sentences from the left. Don't they get that nobody hears that muddled list of stupidity they keep spewing out.

The elderly on the lower end of Social Security can't afford the drugs. Did you know under Medicare? The elderly are stuck paying for prescriptions shots and all that and the Republicans want to cut the spending for their care even more? My dad have a shot recently that cost $1500 out of pocket, and he can't afford it. He have to pay it in installments.

Not true.

If he's living at or around the poverty line, he qualifies for Extra Help, which provides the elderly their drugs for next to nothing. If not, drugs that cost that much usually have patient assistance programs that provide the medication for free.

If this is indeed a true story, here:
https://www.ssa.gov/medicare/prescriptionhelp/

If he doesn't qualify, contact the manufacturer of the drug and inquire about their patient assistance programs.

Serious post:

It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

The 48 Democrats are most likely going to hold firm as "no" votes. The ones with the greatest possibility of changing their vote to a "yes" if the right circumstances arise are Manchin and Heitkamp.

Most of the amendments will have a "no" vote from Collins, and most likely Murkowski.

McCain said earlier on the floor that he is a "no" vote for the current bill, and would need amendments suggested by the governor of his home state for him to even consider it.

The Republican senator from my home state, Capito, is solid "no" for full repeal, but who knows what she's thinking regarding anything else that might be presented.

I don't know what the hell Rob Portman will do, but I consider him a "yes" for anything not a full repeal.

From all appearances, Lee is a "no" vote on anything that's not a full repeal. I believe Moran is the same way, but I haven't kept up much with what he has been saying. I'm not sure about Cruz and Paul in this regard, and would gladly welcome any input from those who more closely align with those senators.

(07-25-2017 02:33 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  just to begin discussion. amazing that 50 senators voting no to have hearings and discussions.

Yup absolutely. It's almost as bad as the Senate not willing to meet with Merrick Garland , and have a hearing on his confirmation.

But lame duck??? It's the Biden Rule!!!!

Stinkfist and Hood-rich cue up your nonsensical posts.

(07-25-2017 02:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. Many people lost their healthcare before ACA because of the Precondition health issues which effected everybody in all parties. The blame could go onto the Republicans trying to force a bill that is not even popular. Both House and Senate plan had only like 13% to 17% disapproval ratings. If the Republicans continue to force those bills? They could lose seats in both house and senate next year. Just like Democrats did with the ACA. Republicans need to work with the Democrats on improving the ACA. Lets move Obama from the notion. It was the same law passed in the state of Massachusetts by Republican Mitt Romney. The ACA or Romney Care was model after the Israeli healthcare system.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. quote from Davy.

If this was true, lady pants suit would be your president. Just because YOU like it doesn't mean the majority does.

I needed to correct my sentence. Only 13 to 17% of the people approve of both house and senate plans. The majority like 70% like some of the stuff that are in the ACA. Take that away, voters and town halls will be even more of a free fall. Last night on the local ABC station's news, only 49% approve of what Trump is doing and 47% disapproves. He was at above 60% a few months ago. There is now buyer's remorse in this state right now. Trump needs to stop since he is losing his supporters here in this state.

BTW I didn't hear McCain's speech but I heard it was quite powerful, and he chided both his fellow Senators and also Trump at the same time. I'd like to see the speech but I haven't found a link for it yet.

(07-25-2017 02:52 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  Serious post:

It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

The 48 Democrats are most likely going to hold firm as "no" votes. The ones with the greatest possibility of changing their vote to a "yes" if the right circumstances arise are Manchin and Heitkamp.

Most of the amendments will have a "no" vote from Collins, and most likely Murkowski.

McCain said earlier on the floor that he is a "no" vote for the current bill, and would need amendments suggested by the governor of his home state for him to even consider it.

The Republican senator from my home state, Capito, is solid "no" for full repeal, but who knows what she's thinking regarding anything else that might be presented.

I don't know what the hell Rob Portman will do, but I consider him a "yes" for anything not a full repeal.

From all appearances, Lee is a "no" vote on anything that's not a full repeal. I believe Moran is the same way, but I haven't kept up much with what he has been saying. I'm not sure about Cruz and Paul in this regard, and would gladly welcome any input from those who more closely align with those senators.

Paul is a no for anything that's not a full repeal.

You forgot Heller (Nevada), he's a no on anything that would leave the state worse off ... so in other words a no on the GOP bills so far.

(07-25-2017 02:52 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  Serious post:

It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

The 48 Democrats are most likely going to hold firm as "no" votes. The ones with the greatest possibility of changing their vote to a "yes" if the right circumstances arise are Manchin and Heitkamp.

Most of the amendments will have a "no" vote from Collins, and most likely Murkowski.

McCain said earlier on the floor that he is a "no" vote for the current bill, and would need amendments suggested by the governor of his home state for him to even consider it.

The Republican senator from my home state, Capito, is solid "no" for full repeal, but who knows what she's thinking regarding anything else that might be presented.

I don't know what the hell Rob Portman will do, but I consider him a "yes" for anything not a full repeal.

From all appearances, Lee is a "no" vote on anything that's not a full repeal. I believe Moran is the same way, but I haven't kept up much with what he has been saying. I'm not sure about Cruz and Paul in this regard, and would gladly welcome any input from those who more closely align with those senators.

Moran of Kansas is in trouble. His state accepted the ACA expanded Medicaid program. He would be against a full repeal.

Many states accepted expanded Medicaid offer including Kentucky. Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell could be a goner if they did a full repeal and let people suffer. Same with Ted Cruz of Texas. Under both house and senate plans? It would make things even worst. The Majority of doctors, nurses, hospitals and so forth in the medical field have came out against both plans.

(07-25-2017 02:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. Many people lost their healthcare before ACA because of the Precondition health issues which effected everybody in all parties. The blame could go onto the Republicans trying to force a bill that is not even popular. Both House and Senate plan had only like 13% to 17% disapproval ratings. If the Republicans continue to force those bills? They could lose seats in both house and senate next year. Just like Democrats did with the ACA. Republicans need to work with the Democrats on improving the ACA. Lets move Obama from the notion. It was the same law passed in the state of Massachusetts by Republican Mitt Romney. The ACA or Romney Care was model after the Israeli healthcare system.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. quote from Davy.

If this was true, lady pants suit would be your president. Just because YOU like it doesn't mean the majority does.

I needed to correct my sentence. Only 13 to 17% of the people approve of both house and senate plans. The majority like 70% like some of the stuff that are in the ACA. Take that away, voters and town halls will be even more of a free fall. Last night on the local ABC station's news, only 49% approve of what Trump is doing and 47% disapproves. He was at above 60% a few months ago. There is now buyer's remorse in this state right now. Trump needs to stop since he is losing his supporters here in this state.

Also, was it just a dream, or did Hillary actually win the popular vote?

The GOP is too divided to get anything major done in 2017. Too many nutjobs who fantasize about gutting the federal government, and too many thoughtful people who believe in the role of federal government.

Their best bet is to hope that they can either get one of those sides reduced and replaced with the other side, in 2018.

(07-25-2017 02:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:30 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  full repeal? been out of the loop.

This was just the procedural vote to start debate. But the bill is for full repeal after two years. Its the best way to proceed, because it forces everyone to participate. If nothing gets done on it, in two years we will simply revert back prior to Obamacare.

The majority of this country like what is in the ACA. Reverting back will have an uprise of all political parties on these issues. Many people lost their healthcare before ACA because of the Precondition health issues which effected everybody in all parties. The blame could go onto the Republicans trying to force a bill that is not even popular. Both House and Senate plan had only like 13% to 17% approval ratings. If the Republicans continue to force those bills? They could lose seats in both house and senate next year. Just like Democrats did with the ACA. Republicans need to work with the Democrats on improving the ACA. Lets move Obama from the notion. It was the same law passed in the state of Massachusetts by Republican Mitt Romney. The ACA or Romney Care was model after the Israeli healthcare system.

For the 1000th time....IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!!

https://spectator.org/36046_obamacare-vs...ifference/

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/ro...fferences/

https://mic.com/articles/65939/obamacare....lhQsGgaXE

The biggest difference between the two is the plan in Massachusetts was designed to succeed and Obamacare was designed to fail as the first step towards socialization of healthcare in pursuit of the ultimate leftist goal of controlling people's lives from cradle to grave.

(07-25-2017 02:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 02:52 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  Serious post:

It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

The 48 Democrats are most likely going to hold firm as "no" votes. The ones with the greatest possibility of changing their vote to a "yes" if the right circumstances arise are Manchin and Heitkamp.

Most of the amendments will have a "no" vote from Collins, and most likely Murkowski.

McCain said earlier on the floor that he is a "no" vote for the current bill, and would need amendments suggested by the governor of his home state for him to even consider it.

The Republican senator from my home state, Capito, is solid "no" for full repeal, but who knows what she's thinking regarding anything else that might be presented.

I don't know what the hell Rob Portman will do, but I consider him a "yes" for anything not a full repeal.

From all appearances, Lee is a "no" vote on anything that's not a full repeal. I believe Moran is the same way, but I haven't kept up much with what he has been saying. I'm not sure about Cruz and Paul in this regard, and would gladly welcome any input from those who more closely align with those senators.

Paul is a no for anything that's not a full repeal.

You forgot Heller (Nevada), he's a no on anything that would leave the state worse off ... so in other words a no on the GOP bills so far.

I forgot about Heller. He might be, for lack of a better term, the most wishy-washy member of the Senate.