Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

Great post Tigx. The wife and I did similar stuff during homecoming a few years ago. Garibaldi's, our first apartment (where "somebody" shot up the WR's car after he fought with a DB over Madden). I even got pulled over on Zach Curlin by campus police for speeding but he let me go.

(07-25-2017 11:00 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 10:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 10:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The point is alumni participation rate is dreadful and it's because there's no reason for most to ever step foot back on campus. I'm happy you can make a quick exit back home, though.

Agree. The Liberty Bowl with the Tiger Lane has improved immensely. However, it still does not bring people to campus and therefore doesn't help alumni giving.

Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding... we have a winner!

I just heard some of the pregame stuff we intend to do this Fall like closing streets around the stadium. We are equidistant to where we were at the Dome from campus but when you own your own place everything changes. I'm essence it IS a part of campus. As someone said if you had control of land around the LB and management at the LB it would change a lot.

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(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

I question the Chronicle (agenda)

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(07-25-2017 06:58 PM)TG4 Wrote:  Great post Tigx. The wife and I did similar stuff during homecoming a few years ago. Garibaldi's, our first apartment (where "somebody" shot up the WR's car after he fought with a DB over Madden). I even got pulled over on Zach Curlin by campus police for speeding but he let me go.

Thanks, and I bet most of us were beneficiaries of the leniency of the campus police at some point.

(07-25-2017 07:06 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

I question the Chronicle (agenda)

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Your choice. Here's the link, pretty long article, lots of info: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/hou...765976.php

(07-25-2017 07:09 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 07:06 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

I question the Chronicle (agenda)

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Your choice. Here's the link, pretty long article, lots of info: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/hou...765976.php

Still saying , it's the Chronicle. I know in Atlanta not to expect positive press from the AJC. Too much bullldawg in them. I will go with what I see though. I would sometimes spend an afternoon at the Barnes & Nobles GT Bookstore on 5th Street because it was close to my wife's office. I would see in the off-season dozens of 45 to 75 year olds shopping and leaving with bags , literally hundreds of dollars of merchandise. You can also see them on North Avenue taking pictures of Bobby Dodd Stadium constantly. You do not get that playing off campus because the game is not on campus and has no connection to campus.

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(07-25-2017 07:07 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 06:58 PM)TG4 Wrote:  Great post Tigx. The wife and I did similar stuff during homecoming a few years ago. Garibaldi's, our first apartment (where "somebody" shot up the WR's car after he fought with a DB over Madden). I even got pulled over on Zach Curlin by campus police for speeding but he let me go.

Thanks, and I bet most of us were beneficiaries of the leniency of the campus police at some point.

One of my old teammates was an SAE. Spent a lot of time over there. When his eligibility was up he moved over the the garage apartment in the back. We had been out running around one day and came back to find the goat in his apartment (courtesy of his "brothers") in the middle of his bed eating his bedspread. Goat shite everywhere. Place was a wreck. He took a skillet, hit the goat right between the eyes and it staggered out the door.

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

What you have to realize is, you are typing this on a sports board that is visited by MAYBE 5% of the average Tiger football fan group. We are the MOST likely to go back and visit campus without compulsion.

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

This quote is disconnected from the very specific subject of moving athletics ONTO campus. You have to realize that we play NO revenue sports on campus, unlike almost all other Universities in the US. It would be different if we at least played basketball on campus. Then your comparisons would be more close to applicable.

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

Hardly think driving by the campus is the same as spending time on campus at a university event. Regarding the bookstore, the Tiger Bookstore is not the on-campus bookstore (I have been there numerous times for Tiger gear). The on-campus bookstore has very limited hours on weekends & virtually never open when I have been in town (not open when I attended the former player MBB game in 2016). As for the UH article, had nothing to do with bringing FB to the campus because Robertson Field was already OC & for context UH has one of the highest student activity fees in the conference to support athletics - and the UH president is on record as believing it is not sustainable (just to give some context to the article you cite). And I'm sure you know, but an article isn't a study. The studies cited in that article are arguing the academic resources versus those committed to athletics, again not relevant in the UM situation unless you are advocating giving up athletics in favor of just an academic environment (watch what happens to giving then). UCF paid for a study as other schools have related to bringing the FB OC. Want the study, google it. And BTW, read Rudd's writings about the benefit of successful athletics to academics if you are arguing the angle in the article you cited.

Best on-campus bookstore setup I have ever seen is the Barnes and Noble in Starkville. It's right next to the stadium. Three floors of stuff with an escalator. And the food court is right across the street in their UC. Not bad if you plan on spending the entire day and night until traffic eases.

Something no one has mentioned yet is the gunplay issues at parties in the residential areas between Southern and Park / Highland and Goodlett. There is an element that takes exception to being turned away at parties they aren't invited to. Sorry Strat. (-:

(07-26-2017 07:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

Hardly think driving by the campus is the same as spending time on campus at a university event. Regarding the bookstore, the Tiger Bookstore is not the on-campus bookstore (I have been there numerous times for Tiger gear). The on-campus bookstore has very limited hours on weekends & virtually never open when I have been in town (not open when I attended the former player MBB game in 2016). As for the UH article, had nothing to do with bringing FB to the campus because Robertson Field was already OC & for context UH has one of the highest student activity fees in the conference to support athletics - and the UH president is on record as believing it is not sustainable (just to give some context to the article you cite). And I'm sure you know, but an article isn't a study. The studies cited in that article are arguing the academic resources versus those committed to athletics, again not relevant in the UM situation unless you are advocating giving up athletics in favor of just an academic environment (watch what happens to giving then). UCF paid for a study as other schools have related to bringing the FB OC. Want the study, google it. And BTW, read Rudd's writings about the benefit of successful athletics to academics if you are arguing the angle in the article you cited.

Atlanta, I think you are arguing just to argue at this point. I'm just asking for an appreciation of what we have, and realizing an OCS would not solve many problems.

Of course an OCS would be great. But . . . we don't have the money, we don't have the space, traffic and parking would be a nightmare, the big boosters think the LB is good, I agree, and last, the players like the Liberty Bowl too. At least the ones I have talked to. They think spending the night at the Holiday Inn, and riding the city buses down Central for two whole miles - the horror! - and then the Tiger Walk is cool. You know, they drive to South Campus every day for practice anyway.

The studies cited in the Chronicle article, from the Journal of Sports Mgmt., much more than what you have added to the discussion, clearly state that there is no evidence that overall giving to the University increases with the building of new, on-campus stadiums. Which was my original point to Mensa, who claimed the level of student donating would automatically increase with an on-campus stadium.

(07-26-2017 07:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 06:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guess I will again argue the opposite side. Yes, if we could snap our fingers, an OCS would be great. But since we don't have it, the LB is not just adequate, it's a very good stadium. And I don't know of a better city tailgating scene than Tiger Lane.

I lived in Austin and DFW for 13 years before moving back. Visited here because family was here, and went to games, especially when my nephew was on the team. We almost always drove by campus. Saw the new buildings. On Midland visited the SAE house. Went to Tiger Book Store and bought a tee shirt. Ate at Garibaldi's. To you guys who went to games, and didn't drive by campus, I just don't get it. What prevented you from doing so? Weren't you curious to see campus?

Atlanta, re the studies, please provide. Here's some info from the Houston Chronicle from last year, after the Cougars had built their new stadium, quoting multiple studies that say overall alumni giving does not increase with new sports venues:

"Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. . .

There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat.

"If success in athletics does generate the indirect benefits in question, the effects are almost surely very small," Frank wrote."

Hardly think driving by the campus is the same as spending time on campus at a university event. Regarding the bookstore, the Tiger Bookstore is not the on-campus bookstore (I have been there numerous times for Tiger gear). The on-campus bookstore has very limited hours on weekends & virtually never open when I have been in town (not open when I attended the former player MBB game in 2016). As for the UH article, had nothing to do with bringing FB to the campus because Robertson Field was already OC & for context UH has one of the highest student activity fees in the conference to support athletics - and the UH president is on record as believing it is not sustainable (just to give some context to the article you cite). And I'm sure you know, but an article isn't a study. The studies cited in that article are arguing the academic resources versus those committed to athletics, again not relevant in the UM situation unless you are advocating giving up athletics in favor of just an academic environment (watch what happens to giving then). UCF paid for a study as other schools have related to bringing the FB OC. Want the study, google it. And BTW, read Rudd's writings about the benefit of successful athletics to academics if you are arguing the angle in the article you cited.

I would agree with this based purely on my own anecdotal experiences. It is one thing to get an alumni newsletter in the mail and quite another to walk on campus, hang out with friends, run into others that you went to school with 30 years before, see the students having fun and walking around campus and seeing how different it is, and seeing all of the different projects that are happening.

When you get the newsletter and an envelope and are asked to give, it is quite different from being on campus, seeing an artist's rendering and a thermometer next to it showing how close the fundraising is to its goal.

Having said that, the two examples in this thread are horrible. Houston should be miles ahead of where it is considering how big the city and the school are. Houston might be the biggest example of lack of school spirit and apathy on the planet and they have been this way forever.

UCF is another story altogether. In 2016, their donations were only at $6 million and they have an endowment of $155 million, which are embarrassing for a university with an enrollment of 64,000. I suspect that their case is because they are a relative neophyte when it comes to semi big time athletics and most of their alumni is very young.

In any event, purely from anecdotal experience, I don't think it is possible for donations, school spirit and the overall good of the university to not be positively affected by having an OCS.

I also think that the school's setup for an OCS is incredible. For basketball, where there are 18 home games, you are better off having your arena off of Beale, where the lure is downtown. If you had 18 basketball games on campus I don't think that the lure would be as strong. Having 6 football games on campus and 18 basketball games off of campus would be a PERFECT scenario for the school.

(07-26-2017 08:07 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Best on-campus bookstore setup I have ever seen is the Barnes and Noble in Starkville. It's right next to the stadium. Three floors of stuff with an escalator. And the food court is right across the street in their UC. Not bad if you plan on spending the entire day and night until traffic eases.

Something no one has mentioned yet is the gunplay issues at parties in the residential areas between Southern and Park / Highland and Goodlett. There is an element that takes exception to being turned away at parties they aren't invited to. Sorry Strat. (-:

Same way at the UGA bookstore on-campus during FB weekends (& virtually any on campus bookstore when there is an OCS), you can hardly get in the place - and they even have former UGA players signing autographs as part of the pregame activities in the bookstore adjacent to the stadium I'm guess the revenue on FB weekends at the UGA on campus bookstore adds substantially to the bottomline.

Ok, I read the article. Your quote of it is an excellent use of the tactic of selective reasoning. The article is actually about the issue of allocating so much money to athletics instead of academics at the University of Houston. It is related to the age old question whether a university should spend so much on athletics. The paper is advocating that the money spent on the stadium should have gone to the school. By the way the writer of the article is a graduate of the University of Texas (bias anyone?)

Quote:Multiple studies, however, question these benefits. Applications sometimes rise after a big win like the Cougars' Peach Bowl victory, but that doesn't mean the quality of students will improve, said Zimbalist, who has conducted multiple studies into the value of college athletics. Other studies, including a 2004 report by Cornell University economist Robert H. Frank, have shown no correlation between sports victories and applicants' SAT scores.

This quote speaks of an increase in enrollment or an improvement in SAT scores, not alumni involvement and giving.

Quote:There is also no compelling evidence that alumni gifts increase substantially except in rare cases, Zimbalist said. Athletics programs have even been shown to "cannibalize" donations from the rest of the university. A 2007 study in the Journal of Sport Management found that between 1998 and 2003, the share of gifts going to athletics departments rose from 14.7 percent to 26 percent even as overall giving remained flat

This quote speaks of giving as a function of athletic success, not as a function of an increase in alumni involvement due to an on campus stadium.

From the same article, a professor had this to say:

Quote:"Every Saturday game we have on campus, we are completely flooded by alums who are very happy, who haven't been on campus in years and now want to send their kids. I don't know that they're giving money, but they're buying tickets. Occasionally it leads to greater support for academics, which is the real heart of the enterprise," Olivas said. "But I do think the athletics folks have some 'splaining to do when it comes to the facilities and who pays for them and the ongoing costs."

He admits that the campus is now flooded by alums. He says that he doesn't know whether they are giving money. However, his opinion is that the money that is being spent on athletics should go to academics. (Small surprise since he is a professor).

The article was written in Jan of 2016. It is yet to be seen what benefits the University of Houston will reap from their new stadium. However the campus being "flooded by alums who are very happy" bodes well for their future. A side thought is that their new stadium seemed to really help their national image and bid to join the Big 12.

Southern, please.

Selective reasoning my arse. I provided the link, and copy-and-pasted the part where the article and studies referred to donation levels. Enrollment and ACT levels are not what Mensa referred to. I didn't write the article, which had info on many different subjects, not just alumni donation levels.

Like I asked Atlanta, since you are so sure I am wrong, please provide a study that backs up your theory.

(07-26-2017 09:48 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Southern, please.

Selective reasoning my arse. I provided the link, and copy-and-pasted the part where the article and studies referred to donation levels. Enrollment and ACT levels are not what Mensa referred to. I didn't write the article, which had info on many different subjects, not just alumni donation levels.

Like I asked Atlanta, since you are so sure I am wrong, please provide a study that backs up your theory.

Sorry, my bad, I thought those were the parts you quoted in your post.

(07-26-2017 09:51 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 09:48 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Southern, please.

Selective reasoning my arse. I provided the link, and copy-and-pasted the part where the article and studies referred to donation levels. Enrollment and ACT levels are not what Mensa referred to. I didn't write the article, which had info on many different subjects, not just alumni donation levels.

Like I asked Atlanta, since you are so sure I am wrong, please provide a study that backs up your theory.

Sorry, my bad, I thought those were the parts you quoted in your post.

Very funny. So sense I added context, suddenly the study saying alumni donation levels do not increase, and that overall donations remain flat, and that if anything athletic donations cannibalize from overall donations to the university is somehow meaningless?

Why is the university's alumni participation rate so low?

(07-26-2017 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Why is the university's alumni participation rate so low?

Because the only thing to do on campus is get a parking ticket.