(07-21-2017 09:39 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I can't wait to see SDSU flame out this year.

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Beating the Big Boys only hurts your chances of getting moved up to a Money Conference. When they see they can be beaten by a talent laden team with one tenth or one twentieth the financial resources the don't want to give them any more money.
It cou
D create a monster. UH has a win streak of 6 or 7 against the Money Conferences and the others have said we pose too big of threat in recruiting and winning if we get into their conference.
So winning only hurts your team.

(07-21-2017 11:11 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Beating the Big Boys only hurts your chances of getting moved up to a Money Conference. When they see they can be beaten by a talent laden team with one tenth or one twentieth the financial resources the don't want to give them any more money.
It cou
D create a monster. UH has a win streak of 6 or 7 against the Money Conferences and the others have said we pose too big of threat in recruiting and winning if we get into their conference.
So winning only hurts your team.

That certainly was the case for Houston regarding the Big 12 North teams. However, I don't think any of those coaches had a say in the matter.

(07-21-2017 11:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:11 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Beating the Big Boys only hurts your chances of getting moved up to a Money Conference. When they see they can be beaten by a talent laden team with one tenth or one twentieth the financial resources the don't want to give them any more money.
It cou
D create a monster. UH has a win streak of 6 or 7 against the Money Conferences and the others have said we pose too big of threat in recruiting and winning if we get into their conference.
So winning only hurts your team.

That certainly was the case for Houston regarding the Big 12 North teams. However, I don't think any of those coaches had a say in the matter.

Beating the big boys regularly during the BCS era did wonders for these programs:
Louisville
TCU
Utah

Yes, winning helped TCU, but TexA&M going SEC is what got TCU in the Big 12. Would not have happened otherwise. So a lot of luck and timing and competency did it. Same could be said for Utah with BYU'S No Sunday rule and location. Louisville on the other hand did play their way in.

(07-23-2017 06:15 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Yes, winning helped TCU, but TexA&M going SEC is what got TCU in the Big 12. Would not have happened otherwise. So a lot of luck and timing and competency did it. Same could be said for Utah with BYU'S No Sunday rule and location. Louisville on the other hand did play their way in.

Yes and no. LouieV enjoyed the TexA&M affect with Maryland jumping ship for the BIG Money Conference. That being said, they were the best of what was left of the Big East at that point and have proven to be a great pick for the ACC aside of the hookers and such.

Wonder if the Big East survives if TCU/Louisville stayed with the addition of SMU, Houston and UCF? Probably still too unruly with all the Catholic BB schools.

(07-21-2017 11:11 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Beating the Big Boys only hurts your chances of getting moved up to a Money Conference. When they see they can be beaten by a talent laden team with one tenth or one twentieth the financial resources the don't want to give them any more money.
It cou
D create a monster. UH has a win streak of 6 or 7 against the Money Conferences and the others have said we pose too big of threat in recruiting and winning if we get into their conference.
So winning only hurts your team.

Apparently players from the big12 want Houston in their league


http://m.chron.com/sports/cougars/articl...380222.php

They also want Hawaii

No one clamors for SMU.

UC's AD and coaches have been saying a lot of the same things that Long is saying in this article. I have heard posters from other schools in the AAC say the have heard the same from their ADs as well. They've been told there will be a move in the near future and they will be bringing a few more schools with them. This is why you have seen certain schools to put money into their facilities, paying big bucks to their coaches, etc. despite the fact that some have publically professed expansion is "on the back burner" and that schools currently in the G5 are stuck for life.

(07-26-2017 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC's AD and coaches have been saying a lot of the same things that Long is saying in this article. I have heard posters from other schools in the AAC say the have heard the same from their ADs as well. They've been told there will be a move in the near future and they will be bringing a few more schools with them. This is why you have seen certain schools to put money into their facilities, paying big bucks to their coaches, etc. despite the fact that some have publically professed expansion is "on the back burner" and that schools currently in the G5 are stuck for life.

Clifton, where do you get these awesome old school UC fb pictures found in your sig from time to time?

(07-21-2017 03:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is the problem with the MWC, Boise has this mentality. build your conference, its easier to build yourself...

this interview also proves a point, ask any AAC coach about the expansion or p5, they will differ to how good our league is...in the mwc they talk about long shot chances at big 12

You're kidding, right? It hasn't even been a year since a parade of AAC schools were tripping all over ourselves, traveling hat in hand to Texas to plead our case for Big 12 invitation? Begging, pleading, cajoling, pulling out every conceivable stop to get out of the AAC and into the Big 12.

Seriously?

(07-27-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 03:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is the problem with the MWC, Boise has this mentality. build your conference, its easier to build yourself...

this interview also proves a point, ask any AAC coach about the expansion or p5, they will differ to how good our league is...in the mwc they talk about long shot chances at big 12

You're kidding, right? It hasn't even been a year since a parade of AAC schools were tripping all over ourselves, traveling hat in hand to Texas to plead our case for Big 12 invitation? Begging, pleading, cajoling, pulling out every conceivable stop to get out of the AAC and into the Big 12.

Seriously?

not by the coachs and not publicly by anyone in school power...
almost every comment were by billionaires and senators
ecu's coach is the only coach that publicly said they should be considered

everyone else deferred to "our current league is great". and note that was in the mist of what we all expected to be expansion

sdsu where their wont be any expension and wasnt prompted was talking about how they have to make themselves look good for the big 12 in the future...he already resigned himself to the fate of his current league

(07-27-2017 10:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 03:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is the problem with the MWC, Boise has this mentality. build your conference, its easier to build yourself...

this interview also proves a point, ask any AAC coach about the expansion or p5, they will differ to how good our league is...in the mwc they talk about long shot chances at big 12

You're kidding, right? It hasn't even been a year since a parade of AAC schools were tripping all over ourselves, traveling hat in hand to Texas to plead our case for Big 12 invitation? Begging, pleading, cajoling, pulling out every conceivable stop to get out of the AAC and into the Big 12.

Seriously?

not by the coachs and not publicly by anyone in school power...
almost every comment were by billionaires and senators
ecu's coach is the only coach that publicly said they should be considered

everyone else deferred to "our current league is great". and note that was in the mist of what we all expected to be expansion

sdsu where their wont be any expension and wasnt prompted was talking about how they have to make themselves look good for the big 12 in the future...he already resigned himself to the fate of his current league

So when the most important member of the Board of Trustees and the President of the University of Houston are talking about needing to get into the B12 in order to sustain the level of spending, that is irrelevant because Tom Herman says "our league is great."

For the record, Rocky talks about how tough the MW is all the time. He is just one of the rare people that doesn't speak in bull**** "coach speak" on topics.

(07-26-2017 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC's AD and coaches have been saying a lot of the same things that Long is saying in this article. I have heard posters from other schools in the AAC say the have heard the same from their ADs as well. They've been told there will be a move in the near future and they will be bringing a few more schools with them. This is why you have seen certain schools to put money into their facilities, paying big bucks to their coaches, etc. despite the fact that some have publically professed expansion is "on the back burner" and that schools currently in the G5 are stuck for life.

This.

Regarding Houston, their leadership has said they are spending at a rate they cannot sustain.

See link: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/hou...125669.php

Sorry Pesik, you are wrong on this one.

https://www.scribd.com/document/32039707...from_embed

(07-27-2017 11:04 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC's AD and coaches have been saying a lot of the same things that Long is saying in this article. I have heard posters from other schools in the AAC say the have heard the same from their ADs as well. They've been told there will be a move in the near future and they will be bringing a few more schools with them. This is why you have seen certain schools to put money into their facilities, paying big bucks to their coaches, etc. despite the fact that some have publically professed expansion is "on the back burner" and that schools currently in the G5 are stuck for life.

This.

Regarding Houston, their leadership has said they are spending at a rate they cannot sustain.

See link: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/hou...125669.php

Sorry Pesik, you are wrong on this one.

context is great...
that statement was a ploy to get public officials to help us get into the big 12.. the timing of that announcement wasn't weird to you? it was said right after the big 12 said they would considered expansion...no one in the AAC was publicly pleaing for the big 12 but we were all making moves to get a slot

and did you see how much we were spending? when that comment was made we had the largest subsidy in the nation..we had spent close to 300million in a 2 year span (stadium, arena, 25 mill basketball practice field, 25mil indoor practice field, baseball renovatiions etc.) we dont need to buy thoe things every year.. but no way we could keep buying things at that rate , so what she said was true

(07-27-2017 11:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 11:04 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC's AD and coaches have been saying a lot of the same things that Long is saying in this article. I have heard posters from other schools in the AAC say the have heard the same from their ADs as well. They've been told there will be a move in the near future and they will be bringing a few more schools with them. This is why you have seen certain schools to put money into their facilities, paying big bucks to their coaches, etc. despite the fact that some have publically professed expansion is "on the back burner" and that schools currently in the G5 are stuck for life.

This.

Regarding Houston, their leadership has said they are spending at a rate they cannot sustain.

See link: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/hou...125669.php

Sorry Pesik, you are wrong on this one.

context is great...
that statement was a ploy to get public officials to help us get into the big 12.. the timing of that announcement wasn't weird to you? it was said right after the big 12 said they would considered expansion...no one in the AAC was publicly pleaing for the big 12 but we were all making moves to get a slot

and did you see how much we were spending? when that comment was made we had the largest subsidy in the nation..we had spent close to 300million in a 2 year span (stadium, arena, 25 mill basketball practice field, 25mil indoor practice field, baseball renovatiions etc.) we dont need to buy thoe things every year.. but no way we could keep buying things at that rate , so what she said was true

Again, another "Yea, but......."

(07-27-2017 11:01 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 10:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 03:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is the problem with the MWC, Boise has this mentality. build your conference, its easier to build yourself...

this interview also proves a point, ask any AAC coach about the expansion or p5, they will differ to how good our league is...in the mwc they talk about long shot chances at big 12

You're kidding, right? It hasn't even been a year since a parade of AAC schools were tripping all over ourselves, traveling hat in hand to Texas to plead our case for Big 12 invitation? Begging, pleading, cajoling, pulling out every conceivable stop to get out of the AAC and into the Big 12.

Seriously?

not by the coachs and not publicly by anyone in school power...
almost every comment were by billionaires and senators
ecu's coach is the only coach that publicly said they should be considered

everyone else deferred to "our current league is great". and note that was in the mist of what we all expected to be expansion

sdsu where their wont be any expension and wasnt prompted was talking about how they have to make themselves look good for the big 12 in the future...he already resigned himself to the fate of his current league

So when the most important member of the Board of Trustees and the President of the University of Houston are talking about needing to get into the B12 in order to sustain the level of spending, that is irrelevant because Tom Herman says "our league is great."

For the record, Rocky talks about how tough the MW is all the time. He is just one of the rare people that doesn't speak in bull**** "coach speak" on topics.

read into what he said.. most AAC are fine with the AAC if we are stuck, they see i as a viable option if nothing happens..your coach is talking about they need to look good for the big 12 and he wasnt even asked about the big 12

he also says he doesnt think sdsu will ever have a chance at the playoff..while most aac coaches think they will eventually grow as a conference to get at that and have a chance now if the playoff expanded (from media day)