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Article on The Ringer about Blowouts
A small typo (I've already commented on it and sent a Twitter about it too), but this article on blowouts talks about the Rhode Island game from last year. I also wanted to see us score 100 that game.

https://theringer.com/blowout-matrix-lop...7357bbdd7a
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It's first FCS championship...... sigh. I almost stopped reading right there.
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(07-21-2017 01:14 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It's first FCS championship...... sigh. I almost stopped reading right there.

Yeah I was pretty disappointed. Like c'mon, dude, do some research. But he doesn't have the advantage of a fine James Madison University education.
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i mean if you want to get technical, FCS didn't exist in 2004. We were the D1-AA National Champions. meh.
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I actually agree with the guy. Sharpe should have scored on the play. We were already running the ball. Taking a knee with 10 minutes left? Play the third string but let them score.
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Article on The Ringer about Blowouts
I'm of the same mindset. If you have a problem with us scoring, perhaps consider making a stop?
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RE: Article on The Ringer about Blowouts
Another perspective...

...the coaching fraternity is a very tight one. There are a lot of unwritten rules they tend to go by. Putting up 100 on an opponent gets immediate reaction in that "fraternity". And, it's not a good reaction. Many would find it completely disrespectful and worthy of pay back in the future. I'm glad we stopped when we did. No need for anything more, not even our practice guys who weren't redshirting.

Side note but somewhat related story I always remember...

...in 1990, former Atlanta Falcons Head Coach, Jerry Glanville, called timeout with a lead and about 20 seconds left in a meaningless preseason game against the Houston Oilers to bring on his field goal unit to make a meaningless 3 pointer instead of just letting the time run out. During the postgame presser, he was asked why he did that. His response was interesting (and few knew about it until he brought it up).

The HC of the Oilers was Jack Pardee, who had been the HC at the University of Houston the previous season. Pardee's Cougars in 1989 defeated SMU 95-21 and accumulated 1,021 yards of total offense. The SMU Mustangs were in their first season back from the death penalty and was starting 17 true freshmen. Glanville stated the meaningless field goal was his little way of doing something for "those poor SMU kids who Jack Pardee embarrassed last season".

Pardee did pull his starting QB (and Heisman Trophy winner, Andre Ware) at the half. He pulled his first string defense after the 1Q. But, it's that coaching fraternity thing again. Payback down the road can be hell - even if a silly, useless field goal at the end of a preseason game.

For more on that game I found this... http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-22/s...-touchdown

Houston did the right thing and I hope & expect he will do the same moving forward given the opportunity. And, I think this team could put up 100 on at least 2 opponents this fall if Houston was a douche and wanted to.
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(07-21-2017 07:45 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Another perspective...

...the coaching fraternity is a very tight one. There are a lot of unwritten rules they tend to go by. Putting up 100 on an opponent gets immediate reaction in that "fraternity". And, it's not a good reaction. Many would find it completely disrespectful and worthy of pay back in the future. I'm glad we stopped when we did. No need for anything more, not even our practice guys who weren't redshirting.

Side note but somewhat related story I always remember...

...in 1990, former Atlanta Falcons Head Coach, Jerry Glanville, called timeout with a lead and about 20 seconds left in a meaningless preseason game against the Houston Oilers to bring on his field goal unit to make a meaningless 3 pointer instead of just letting the time run out. During the postgame presser, he was asked why he did that. His response was interesting (and few knew about it until he brought it up).

The HC of the Oilers was Jack Pardee, who had been the HC at the University of Houston the previous season. Pardee's Cougars in 1989 defeated SMU 95-21 and accumulated 1,021 yards of total offense. The SMU Mustangs were in their first season back from the death penalty and was starting 17 true freshmen. Glanville stated the meaningless field goal was his little way of doing something for "those poor SMU kids who Jack Pardee embarrassed last season".

Pardee did pull his starting QB (and Heisman Trophy winner, Andre Ware) at the half. He pulled his first string defense after the 1Q. But, it's that coaching fraternity thing again. Payback down the road can be hell - even if a silly, useless field goal at the end of a preseason game.

For more on that game I found this... http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-22/s...-touchdown

Houston did the right thing and I hope & expect he will do the same moving forward given the opportunity. And, I think this team could put up 100 on at least 2 opponents this fall if Houston was a douche and wanted to.

I really don't have an issue either way but it's nice to not be quite so obvious. If a coach has an ax to to grind and needs to get it off his shoulders, they're big boys and know the pluses and minuses.

With all that said, this is the very reason we don't need to schedule cupcake OOC games and I'm not talking about Lehigh types, I'm talking about those who offer very few schollies. There are enough winnable games every season dictated to us to have on our schedule without adding more.
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The CAA is still tough at the top but the bottom and middle of the conference is not what it use to be. We don't need weak FCS schools on our out of conference schedule anymore.

If the third string RB(Sharpe) is in the game and he breaks one, I don't think he needs to take a knee. That is not running it up. The coach is calling running plays for goodness sake. He needs to let his players play.
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RE: Article on The Ringer about Blowouts
(07-22-2017 10:42 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  The CAA is still tough at the top but the bottom and middle of the conference is not what it use to be. We don't need weak FCS schools on our out of conference schedule anymore.

If the third string RB(Sharpe) is in the game and he breaks one, I don't think he needs to take a knee. That is not running it up. The coach is calling running plays for goodness sake. He needs to let his players play.

Amen. Put in the subs. Run the ball. But they should still play hard.
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Backups practice hard and deserve to play at full speed. If uri can't stop our third string, tough. They are big boys. They can handle it.
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I don't think it has anything to do with big boys handling anything. I think it has more to do with showing class and not running up the score unnecessarily. There are some cases where a head coach or team might deserve having the score run up on them. Not Rhode Island.

Side note factoid...the last time a D1 team put up over 100 points on another D1 team was 1968 when Houston defeated Tulsa 100-6. And, we all know there have been plenty of opportunities for head coaches to eclipse that triple digit number over the last 40 years if they wanted to. Must not be such a dumb thing if it has been avoided given the multiple scenarios over the past 40 years by head coaches who could have if they wanted to.

JMU entered the 4Q against URI last year up 70-7. We scored a TD on an INT return to make it 77-7. I don't think Houston has any problem whatsoever with his backup taking a pick-6 to the house early in the 4Q. We scored again after another INT and short field to make it 84-7 with 9 minutes to go. I'm pretty sure Houston was thinking to himself that he'd rather not have to deal with this score approaching 100, but I'll be damned if URI didn't fumble a kickoff and after a Sharp run to the URI 2 yard line, Houston chose to take 4 straight knees and avoid going over 90.

Seems like a decent thing to do. There's nothing more to be gained by scoring again. Just get the game over with. URI's boys had to handle enough already. Our backups got plenty of playing time and enjoyment. I doubt any of them would be pounding their chest over scoring another useless TD. But, Houston and the program could raise a lot of unnecessary eyebrows for the future by putting up 90+ (or certainly 100+) for the sake of big boys playing at full speed and handling things.
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(07-23-2017 09:19 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I don't think it has anything to do with big boys handling anything. I think it has more to do with showing class and not running up the score unnecessarily. There are some cases where a head coach or team might deserve having the score run up on them. Not Rhode Island.

Side note factoid...the last time a D1 team put up over 100 points on another D1 team was 1968 when Houston defeated Tulsa 100-6. And, we all know there have been plenty of opportunities for head coaches to eclipse that triple digit number over the last 40 years if they wanted to. Must not be such a dumb thing if it has been avoided given the multiple scenarios over the past 40 years by head coaches who could have if they wanted to.

JMU entered the 4Q against URI last year up 70-7. We scored a TD on an INT return to make it 77-7. I don't think Houston has any problem whatsoever with his backup taking a pick-6 to the house early in the 4Q. We scored again after another INT and short field to make it 84-7 with 9 minutes to go. I'm pretty sure Houston was thinking to himself that he'd rather not have to deal with this score approaching 100, but I'll be damned if URI didn't fumble a kickoff and after a Sharp run to the URI 2 yard line, Houston chose to take 4 straight knees and avoid going over 90.

Seems like a decent thing to do. There's nothing more to be gained by scoring again. Just get the game over with. URI's boys had to handle enough already. Our backups got plenty of playing time and enjoyment. I doubt any of them would be pounding their chest over scoring another useless TD. But, Houston and the program could raise a lot of unnecessary eyebrows for the future by putting up 90+ (or certainly 100+) for the sake of big boys playing at full speed and handling things.

Amen. We want to dominate and not embarrass any team by going over 90, even if it is UR or NDSU. My only exceptions to this rule would be against SHSU or Texas State. Hanging 100 on either one of these teams would warm my heart.
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Article on The Ringer about Blowouts
If anyone watches last chance u, at the end of the first season, the bottom dwelling conference opponent they were playing was sick and tired of them running the score up in a very lopsided game.
How does the opponent react since they can't get a stop on the field? They start a massive and ugly fight, ultimately resulting in suspensions that lead to lost games.
I hope the caa doesn't have teams that are that dirty.
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There's definitely a point where the win is secured and the objective is to simply get out of the game without getting anyone hurt. But yeah, you still want the kids out there to play hard, even if it's just dives up the middle every play. If the opposition can't stop that, then there isn't much more a coach can do.

Some of it is up to the opposing coach. When they start running the ball on 1st and 2nd downs and letting the playclock drain before snapping they've pretty much signaled that they've had enough.

Despite the gaudy scores, at no time last year did I feel like we were intentionally trying to run it up. In my mind, everything up through about the middle of the 3rd Qt is fair game. That's about how we played it, I thought. It's not like we were calling onside kicks up by 4 TDs+ and keeping our starters in the game.
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(07-23-2017 11:25 AM)DooX Wrote:  There's definitely a point where the win is secured and the objective is to simply get out of the game without getting anyone hurt. But yeah, you still want the kids out there to play hard, even if it's just dives up the middle every play. If the opposition can't stop that, then there isn't much more a coach can do.

Some of it is up to the opposing coach. When they start running the ball on 1st and 2nd downs and letting the playclock drain before snapping they've pretty much signaled that they've had enough.

Despite the gaudy scores, at no time last year did I feel like we were intentionally trying to run it up. In my mind, everything up through about the middle of the 3rd Qt is fair game. That's about how we played it, I thought. It's not like we were calling onside kicks up by 4 TDs+ and keeping our starters in the game.

Agree 100%. Houston handled the situation(s) about as well as you can ever ask. I imagine he will again this season and every one that follows. Putting aside that it is just the right thing to do, yes, we are the big dog right now in 1-AA and CAA. It wasn't that long ago Colgate was running all over us. That was then. This is now. But, point being, you can go from the penthouse to the outhouse really fast. And, folks (particularly coaches) have long memories. I'm just glad we are on a preferable side of this debate and not on URI or the like's side.
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(07-23-2017 11:25 AM)DooX Wrote:  There's definitely a point where the win is secured and the objective is to simply get out of the game without getting anyone hurt. But yeah, you still want the kids out there to play hard, even if it's just dives up the middle every play. If the opposition can't stop that, then there isn't much more a coach can do.

Some of it is up to the opposing coach. When they start running the ball on 1st and 2nd downs and letting the playclock drain before snapping they've pretty much signaled that they've had enough.

Despite the gaudy scores, at no time last year did I feel like we were intentionally trying to run it up. In my mind, everything up through about the middle of the 3rd Qt is fair game. That's about how we played it, I thought. It's not like we were calling onside kicks up by 4 TDs+ and keeping our starters in the game.

Oh, trust me, we were trying to run it up on NDSU, they just didn't cooperate with our goal very well.
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I understand the points about the 100 point mark, and agree that in the long run, you bring more attention to yourself by hanging 100 points on the board...

However, in the moment and in the weeks that follow, is there anything more embarrassing than playing in a game where the opposition takes a knee the last 10 minutes? Or these games (like Del State/Mizzou last year) where the game is cut short?
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(07-25-2017 11:26 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I understand the points about the 100 point mark, and agree that in the long run, you bring more attention to yourself by hanging 100 points on the board...

However, in the moment and in the weeks that follow, is there anything more embarrassing than playing in a game where the opposition takes a knee the last 10 minutes? Or these games (like Del State/Mizzou last year or ODU/UNC a few years back) where the game is cut short?

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