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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
If the Tigers win 10 games this year, Norvell will be gone to better program, just hope it's not to Ole Miss.
(07-21-2017 10:49 AM)FCBE TIGER Wrote: Mike Norvell is definitely better than Ole Miss, even when OM is not on the hot seat with NCAA. Norvell will get a big boy job at a big boy school in the next two years.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 11:12 AM)TigersTigers Wrote: If the Tigers win 10 games this year, Norvell will be gone to better program, just hope it's not to Ole Miss.
(07-21-2017 10:49 AM)FCBE TIGER Wrote: Mike Norvell is definitely better than Ole Miss, even when OM is not on the hot seat with NCAA. Norvell will get a big boy job at a big boy school in the next two years.
I really think he is two years away from a legit top flight job. I would be surprised if he left after this year for even a decent program. Of course, it depends on who gets fired and how many big time jobs come open at the end of the year.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
Just remember that Arkansas State had what, three really good hires in row? They did well for a few years and then they make one bad to average hire and down they go. Memphis is in pretty much the same position. Fuente was a home run hire; Norvell appears to be a home run hire. If his replacement is average to bad it'll be right back down the toilet for Tiger football.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
Miles, Kiffin, Chip Kelly, Gene Chizik, J Hopson, Bobby Petrino. The goofs here need to stick to bitchieng about basketball
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
Ole Miss still has NCAA penalties coming. And the penalties could be severe.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 08:38 AM)bsp34 Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:16 AM)bsp34 Wrote: Bobby Petrino. LOL.
The guy is a great coach if you can stomach everything else about him... Of course amid scandals, I am not sure he is the guy you would want to bring in to replace Freeze.
Fire a guy cause he called an escort service and hire a guy that got fired for hooking up with an intern?
didn't just hook up with an intern...he HIRED the intern (not really an intern...she was a coach I think)...and was having an affair with her. She was with him when he had the motorcycle wreck.
He gave her what...$20,000?
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
I see the next OM head coach -- if a new hire and not moving the interim into the slot -- being a few steps down. Who wants to step in to a program in complete turmoil that even in its best years couldn't make it to the SEC championship.
Yeah, it's an SEC gig, but on it's own it's not a top flight SEC gig. Throw in the current state, I don't see it as a glamour job that everybody's chasing.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 11:43 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:38 AM)bsp34 Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:16 AM)bsp34 Wrote: Bobby Petrino. LOL.
The guy is a great coach if you can stomach everything else about him... Of course amid scandals, I am not sure he is the guy you would want to bring in to replace Freeze.
Fire a guy cause he called an escort service and hire a guy that got fired for hooking up with an intern?
didn't just hook up with an intern...he HIRED the intern (not really an intern...she was a coach I think)...and was having an affair with her. She was with him when he had the motorcycle wreck.
He gave her what...$20,000?
lol He said he was sorry.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 11:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote: Just remember that Arkansas State had what, three really good hires in row? They did well for a few years and then they make one bad to average hire and down they go. Memphis is in pretty much the same position. Fuente was a home run hire; Norvell appears to be a home run hire. If his replacement is average to bad it'll be right back down the toilet for Tiger football.
Not an accurate comparison - Memphis got the same number of years out of Coach Fuente as ASU got out of Freese, Malzahn, and Harsin combined. Fuente built the base of a program during his time here, and Coach Norvell looks like he is building on that base. Even if Coach Norvell leaves after the season, that will be five years of program building compared to 3 years of back-to-back-to-back one and done coaches. Nothing guarantees that the Tigers can keep it going, but it is not the same situation that ASU went through.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 02:39 PM)Trapper John Wrote: (07-21-2017 11:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote: Just remember that Arkansas State had what, three really good hires in row? They did well for a few years and then they make one bad to average hire and down they go. Memphis is in pretty much the same position. Fuente was a home run hire; Norvell appears to be a home run hire. If his replacement is average to bad it'll be right back down the toilet for Tiger football.
Not an accurate comparison - Memphis got the same number of years out of Coach Fuente as ASU got out of Freese, Malzahn, and Harsin combined. Fuente built the base of a program during his time here, and Coach Norvell looks like he is building on that base. Even if Coach Norvell leaves after the season, that will be five years of program building compared to 3 years of back-to-back-to-back one and done coaches. Nothing guarantees that the Tigers can keep it going, but it is not the same situation that ASU went through.
It's close enough. You're just whistling as you walk through the grave yard.
If Memphis makes a bad hire good football will disappear like a fart in the wind.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tygrys Wrote: (07-21-2017 10:11 AM)rolexjames Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:43 AM)Tygrys Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:38 AM)bsp34 Wrote: (07-21-2017 08:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote: The guy is a great coach if you can stomach everything else about him... Of course amid scandals, I am not sure he is the guy you would want to bring in to replace Freeze.
Fire a guy cause he called an escort service and hire a guy that got fired for hooking up with an intern?
Sounds like a very Ole Miss thing to do, no?
I still say Bobby injuries were not due to a motercycle accident. And she was supposed to be on the bike too. Where were her injuries? The boyfriend obviously when Three 6 on Bobby and "whup dat trick'
I live in Fayetteville and do work for some Arkansas boosters, he got wrecked but it was not on his motorcycle...
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 02:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote: (07-21-2017 02:39 PM)Trapper John Wrote: (07-21-2017 11:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote: Just remember that Arkansas State had what, three really good hires in row? They did well for a few years and then they make one bad to average hire and down they go. Memphis is in pretty much the same position. Fuente was a home run hire; Norvell appears to be a home run hire. If his replacement is average to bad it'll be right back down the toilet for Tiger football.
Not an accurate comparison - Memphis got the same number of years out of Coach Fuente as ASU got out of Freese, Malzahn, and Harsin combined. Fuente built the base of a program during his time here, and Coach Norvell looks like he is building on that base. Even if Coach Norvell leaves after the season, that will be five years of program building compared to 3 years of back-to-back-to-back one and done coaches. Nothing guarantees that the Tigers can keep it going, but it is not the same situation that ASU went through.
It's close enough. You're just whistling as you walk through the grave yard.
If Memphis makes a bad hire good football will disappear like a fart in the wind.
Only in the sense that everyone is one bad hire away from being bad. North Carolina bball made a bad hire and was bad, Kentucky bball made a bad hire and was bad, UT made a couple bad hires and have been underachieving for almost a decade. Ole Miss is one good hire away from being back to the Sugar Bowl and one bad hire from having another "Coach 0 for the SEC". So yes the situation is "close enough" in the sense that everyone's situation is "close enough" to draw a comparison.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
Yep. It's an empty platitude to say that any program is 'one coach away from' something. It's true of everyone.
What's important is that we build the program in the meantime so that we can minimize the effect a potential bad hire can leave in the future.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 03:22 PM)Trapper John Wrote: (07-21-2017 02:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote: (07-21-2017 02:39 PM)Trapper John Wrote: (07-21-2017 11:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote: Just remember that Arkansas State had what, three really good hires in row? They did well for a few years and then they make one bad to average hire and down they go. Memphis is in pretty much the same position. Fuente was a home run hire; Norvell appears to be a home run hire. If his replacement is average to bad it'll be right back down the toilet for Tiger football.
Not an accurate comparison - Memphis got the same number of years out of Coach Fuente as ASU got out of Freese, Malzahn, and Harsin combined. Fuente built the base of a program during his time here, and Coach Norvell looks like he is building on that base. Even if Coach Norvell leaves after the season, that will be five years of program building compared to 3 years of back-to-back-to-back one and done coaches. Nothing guarantees that the Tigers can keep it going, but it is not the same situation that ASU went through.
It's close enough. You're just whistling as you walk through the grave yard.
If Memphis makes a bad hire good football will disappear like a fart in the wind.
Only in the sense that everyone is one bad hire away from being bad. North Carolina bball made a bad hire and was bad, Kentucky bball made a bad hire and was bad, UT made a couple bad hires and have been underachieving for almost a decade. Ole Miss is one good hire away from being back to the Sugar Bowl and one bad hire from having another "Coach 0 for the SEC". So yes the situation is "close enough" in the sense that everyone's situation is "close enough" to draw a comparison.
I have to agree with bluebacker. It's true that everyone is one bad hire away from being bad. But it's harder for schools like Memphis to sustain success. When you have a storied tradition, lots of $$$ and are in a P5 conference, you can continue to get attractive, hot candidates if one coach fails. Memphis , on the other hand, will continue to have to go after guys with no head coaching experience and hope that they end up being the next big thing. That's hard to do. We've gotten two in a row. If I had to guess, the next one won't work out.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
If I had to guess, Norvell's continued success here means we will be able to attract the best and the brightest of the young, soon-to-be HCs.
If we're back in 2011, odds are that we got lucky with Fuente. We don't have to be lucky so long as we keep raising our profile. It's no longer about hoping to strike it big, it's about leveraging more confident hires.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
But I do think the pessimism in our fanbase will remain no matter how long we succeed.
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
(07-21-2017 04:14 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: If I had to guess, Norvell's continued success here means we will be able to attract the best and the brightest of the young, soon-to-be HCs.
If we're back in 2011, odds are that we got lucky with Fuente. We don't have to be lucky so long as we keep raising our profile. It's no longer about hoping to strike it big, it's about leveraging more confident hires.
For the sake of argument, let's say the next hire doesn't work out (which can happen anywhere, whether it's Texas or Memphis). Problem with your theory is that you seem to think that Memphis will be able to continue "to attract the best and the brightest of the young, soon-to-be HCs." That's where I fundamentally disagree with you. We make a bad hire and have a couple of bad seasons, it's no longer an attractive job to anyone who has options. It's a non-P5 school with limited resources that hasn't done a ton of winning in program history. So then you go out and look for a guy with no experience who is looking for an opportunity to prove themselves. It's a hard thing to keep doing.
Texas, which I used in my example, has stunk for a while. Regardless, they fire one coach and can continue to go after guys who are sought after (Charlie Strong, Herman, etc.). It's easier for those schools to recover than it is for a school like Memphis.
(This post was last modified: 07-21-2017 04:23 PM by TiminMem23.)
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RE: Anybody need a good laugh this morning?
I hear the head coach at Briarcrest is looking for a new gig!
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