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(07-21-2017 02:57 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Inheriting a imploding conference, keeping it afloat and making moves to keep it alive while separating it from the other G5 conferences is a pretty big success in my book. I think many underestimate what a POS state this conference was in when he took over. Yes we should have better bowls, yes our TV contract should be more, but when the league in on the verge of collapse it's kinda hard to get marquee bowls and high tv dollars, wake up people!

exactly. He was on the titanic and has managed to navigate the league to a pretty good spot. Assuming there are no other domino's falling I will save my official grade for the next TV deal. I think he knows what he has now and will be able to negotiate from a position of strength versus the last round when he was trying to sell a carcass as a live cow.
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(07-20-2017 08:30 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Definitely a B+

He's been a fighter for this league since day one

Agree, he walked into a mess. If he gets us 8 million on the next deal A
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(07-21-2017 02:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:59 PM)Acres Wrote:  C- , he made a series of critical mistakes, sold the BIG East name which was already a name associated with a power conference. Imagine BIG East Temple verses Notre dame or Big East UConn verses Michigan...Power through and through. Big East Cinci verses Okie state

The AAC was founded as a group of 5 conference, Aresco strategically made this decision and did his part in creating the division of the haves and have nots. I bet he cashed a check out of all that. Now he is putting lipstick on a pig claiming that it's it's not a pig. Yeah ok.

this is just wrong..we were founded as a power conferece...the AAC played as a power conference its first season

and we got 10 million for the big east name. it wasnt worth that much...it works on the c7 but it would have been a bad name on us..in all football circles it was labeled "the big least" ..it was labeled a failed football conference..we'd have been nonstop battling the past and the miami/vt years (where we'd never live up to)..the AAC gave us a clean slate and get compared to our own accomplishments

divisions of have and have nots??? thats not true

Regardlees of how weak it was, it would have been much easier to argue restoration of a power conference than building one from scratch. A BIG East UCF throttling Baylor, a BIG East Houston pounding Florida state and BIG East UConn wining men's / women basketball championship paints a resurging conference than an already characterized G5 conference?
BiG east Navy matchup with Notre Dame.. has an inherent power resonance to it. IMO the AAC was a 100 million dollar mistake...
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(07-21-2017 10:15 PM)Acres Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:59 PM)Acres Wrote:  C- , he made a series of critical mistakes, sold the BIG East name which was already a name associated with a power conference. Imagine BIG East Temple verses Notre dame or Big East UConn verses Michigan...Power through and through. Big East Cinci verses Okie state

The AAC was founded as a group of 5 conference, Aresco strategically made this decision and did his part in creating the division of the haves and have nots. I bet he cashed a check out of all that. Now he is putting lipstick on a pig claiming that it's it's not a pig. Yeah ok.

this is just wrong..we were founded as a power conferece...the AAC played as a power conference its first season

and we got 10 million for the big east name. it wasnt worth that much...it works on the c7 but it would have been a bad name on us..in all football circles it was labeled "the big least" ..it was labeled a failed football conference..we'd have been nonstop battling the past and the miami/vt years (where we'd never live up to)..the AAC gave us a clean slate and get compared to our own accomplishments

divisions of have and have nots??? thats not true

Regardlees of how weak it was, it would have been much easier to argue restoration of a power conference than building one from scratch. A BIG East UCF throttling Baylor, a BIG East Houston pounding Florida state and BIG East UConn wining men's / women basketball championship paints a resurging conference than an already characterized G5 conference?
BiG east Navy matchup with Notre Dame.. has an inherent power resonance to it. IMO the AAC was a 100 million dollar mistake...

Half the conference thought they had a ticket out. They did not. If teams knew that this conference was going to have any longevity, the name would not have been sold.

Hindsight is 20-20.
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(07-21-2017 10:15 PM)Acres Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:59 PM)Acres Wrote:  C- , he made a series of critical mistakes, sold the BIG East name which was already a name associated with a power conference. Imagine BIG East Temple verses Notre dame or Big East UConn verses Michigan...Power through and through. Big East Cinci verses Okie state

The AAC was founded as a group of 5 conference, Aresco strategically made this decision and did his part in creating the division of the haves and have nots. I bet he cashed a check out of all that. Now he is putting lipstick on a pig claiming that it's it's not a pig. Yeah ok.

this is just wrong..we were founded as a power conferece...the AAC played as a power conference its first season

and we got 10 million for the big east name. it wasnt worth that much...it works on the c7 but it would have been a bad name on us..in all football circles it was labeled "the big least" ..it was labeled a failed football conference..we'd have been nonstop battling the past and the miami/vt years (where we'd never live up to)..the AAC gave us a clean slate and get compared to our own accomplishments

divisions of have and have nots??? thats not true

Regardlees of how weak it was, it would have been much easier to argue restoration of a power conference than building one from scratch. A BIG East UCF throttling Baylor, a BIG East Houston pounding Florida state and BIG East UConn wining men's / women basketball championship paints a resurging conference than an already characterized G5 conference?
BiG east Navy matchup with Notre Dame.. has an inherent power resonance to it. IMO the AAC was a 100 million dollar mistake...

the old big east had a great bcs record after the first raid. but yet they still got no respect..and people regularly said they didn't deserve the bid
if we had kept the name, every time we'd claim p6 they'll say that door left when Miami left..they'll say the league is downgraded knock off

right now the perception is that we are a new league thats up and coming fast..
with the big east we'd have been retread has beens..

in a cbs article 3 days ago they were talking about the aac power 6 claim. they said we arent a p6 yet but we are only 4 years old..everyone is giving us the benefit of the doubt because we are new and growing..
you can't say the big east is "new", we'd be has be has-beens trying to reclaim glory with lesser teams

look at c-usa, the name brings them no value, despite being atop bball league in the mid90/early 2000s...they are the league that was stripped of all value.. no one sees them as the new league with hue high growth potential (utsa, Charlotte, uab etc.) the national media sees them as the dying league that went from 2mil per to 200k per, that c-usa is on its death bed (they are battling the perception of being compared to its past members)

not sure if you were around in the espn board days, but it was non stop "big least", "you dont desearve of bid", "someone please just kill the league"..it made sense for the c7 because the attacks where from football
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A+ for righting a sinking ship and getting the American where it is today. When he signed on he thought he was going to be Commissioner of the OBE. The C7 bailed, Rutgers, L'Ville, Syracuse, ND, and Pitt all bailed. The attempt at western expansion from Commissioner Meatball's tenure was a fiasco with TCU, Boise, and San Diego pulling out. And WV was already gone. Now the American is strong with 11 full time members, a FB only with Navy, and WSU for Olympic sports to balance out the conference at a combined 12 members for All Sports. The first TV contract wasn't great but the Conference got the badly needed exposure it needed in its infancy and there are currently enough post season bowls available for the schools who are eligible at the end of the season. The American can now grow stronger under his current tenure with realignment stalled until the 2025 with all of the major conferences locked up with GOR's and their current TV contracts.

We'll re-grade him after the next TV contract and next round of bowl contracts and go from there then. After that we'll just have to wait and see what happens in the next realignment phase around 2025 if he isn't retired by then. All and all I think the American had the right guy in place at the right time to nurture this conference through its infancy after all of the defections from Mr. Meatball's era as the OBE Commissioner. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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B+

The AAC has provided Memphis better competition, better exposure, and more money...Aresco has done a good job of marketing the conference and I like the WSU addition. Cherry on top was/is Memphis getting the 2014 and 2019 basketball tournaments.

that said, if he wants an A, we need a pay bump when it comes time to renegotiate the TV deal.
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(07-21-2017 02:03 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, despite all the negative comments, there are 50 votes of B- or higher, and only 9 below that.

That doesn't mean the majority is right...

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I think he has done a masterful job with the hand he was dealt.
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I'll give him a A+ if he gets the revenue increase I believe he's going ( i believe will be very close to ACC in revenue stream when, it all said and done, all from different revenue stream sources we are a fixer upper beachfront property in CFB, the last one, no more on the beach after us) to get for the league, right now good solid A for positioning the league, as a P6, seems the public is buying into the narrative. Brilliant campaign IMHO! Some of the teams in the league need to pat themselves on the back, because they are delivering on the narrative in some respects, others teams in the league need to step up their game (which I believe they are), to justify the narrative.
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(07-23-2017 07:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think he has done a masterful job with the hand he was dealt.

What's even more eye catching is most talking heads repeatedly kept saying that the AAC was all but a dead walking conference.

I mean, how do you remain upbeat for something as challenging as that... Just pure hard honest dedication by Mike Aresco
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(07-21-2017 01:11 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  For those that gave him a bad grade <= C, what could/should he have done (without asking for impossibilities) to have earned a better grade?
Not invite Tulane Tulsa and Wichita State
https://www.thedailystampede.com/2017/7/...conference

He's not dumb, he knows the bowl lineup sucks and our contract is undervalued.
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B. Considering the circumstances he's done a good job. Navigating the media negotiations will tell us everything we need to know so the B tentative.
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(07-21-2017 02:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:28 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:11 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  For those that gave him a bad grade <= C, what could/should he have done (without asking for impossibilities) to have earned a better grade?

https://www.thedailystampede.com/2017/7/...conference

He's not dumb, he knows the bowl lineup sucks and our contract is undervalued.

My problem with Aresco is that I think he's been sitting on his ***, twiddling his thumbs for the majority of his employment. What did he really do from 2013-2016 that benefited the conference?

Adding Wichita/taking meetings on the West coast with Facebook-Netflix-Amazon-etc/the P6 campaign have all occurred in the past year. My problem with him is that he should have been proactive from the start.

Really, he should have ramped up this P6 thing after the 2013-2014 season when UCF won the Fiesta and UCONN MBB and WBB won the National Championship. I see improvement on his part, but I think my C- grade is justified when you look at his entire body of work since becoming Commissioner.

things he's done since 2013
- the p6 campaign started in 2014, not 2017
- negotiated the ny6 g5 bid (original plan didnt have it)
- 11 members exited the AAC he negotiated all exits and and negotiated renegotiations
-negotiated aac contract in mist of collapse with amazing exposure
-created the sec/aac womens bball challenge
-negotiated to have navy/army game be standalone (despite mwc trying to oppose)
-negotiated las vegas bowl for UH last year, independence the year before
-consistently pushed the power 6 narrative heavily to the media for agates
- strongly encourages investments within the aac
-negotiate secondary football deal in 2015 to have all tier 3 games to air locally aswell as espn3
- organizes and negotiates yearly aac tournament site
-negotiated aac tourny in 2018 to be on broadcast cbs
-created bowl game and then sold it for millions

those are just the public things aswell as the revenue sports ..
rumors about aresco being part of why tulsa got in the ncaa 2 year ago after AAC being first out the 2years prior

he's done a TON

That list is rather unimpressive and somewhat inaccurate. My 90 year old, legally blind Grandmother could probably do most of those things.

tell you legally blind Grandmother to go commish the MWC or the sunbelt or the Mac or C-usa

last i checked when the league started the MWC was perceived as potentially better in 2013 when our deals where signed..yet we play our championship on ABC..they play theirs on espn2... everything i named above every other g5 could have done..yet thet dont have any of it..

when this league started the MWC had every opportunity we had ..4 years later the prrof is in the results

there are talks of a growing divide but yet our league is somehow closing it...the mwc literally went from being classified as a high-major to being classified as a mid-major in basketball in that span in football their champion has had to play the #6 AAC 2 years in a row now

literally wichita went to the mwc first...they couldnt get them in...

and your grandma must have been a financial genius as she can negotiate through 200mil worth of financials in 2 years, while negotiating a tv contract .. all at the same time the leaving conference had enough votes to dissolve the league and pay nothing

people dont realize how bad it could have ended up for this league ..yet today tho all would take a p5 invite in a second but most are happy and content here till that invite potentially comes (talking about people in power not disgruntle uconn fan)

you are just a hater..these are the facts 07-coffee3

Couldn't get them in lol. Have you even read what Hair told the shockers? MWC won't take on non football playing teams and they need to look elsewhere. The AAC has experience with b ball only members so it made sense after getting turned down by the mwc. Come to think of it the AAC has tried to get most of the mwc to come over with no success.
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(07-23-2017 01:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 02:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 01:28 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  My problem with Aresco is that I think he's been sitting on his ***, twiddling his thumbs for the majority of his employment. What did he really do from 2013-2016 that benefited the conference?

Adding Wichita/taking meetings on the West coast with Facebook-Netflix-Amazon-etc/the P6 campaign have all occurred in the past year. My problem with him is that he should have been proactive from the start.

Really, he should have ramped up this P6 thing after the 2013-2014 season when UCF won the Fiesta and UCONN MBB and WBB won the National Championship. I see improvement on his part, but I think my C- grade is justified when you look at his entire body of work since becoming Commissioner.

things he's done since 2013
- the p6 campaign started in 2014, not 2017
- negotiated the ny6 g5 bid (original plan didnt have it)
- 11 members exited the AAC he negotiated all exits and and negotiated renegotiations
-negotiated aac contract in mist of collapse with amazing exposure
-created the sec/aac womens bball challenge
-negotiated to have navy/army game be standalone (despite mwc trying to oppose)
-negotiated las vegas bowl for UH last year, independence the year before
-consistently pushed the power 6 narrative heavily to the media for agates
- strongly encourages investments within the aac
-negotiate secondary football deal in 2015 to have all tier 3 games to air locally aswell as espn3
- organizes and negotiates yearly aac tournament site
-negotiated aac tourny in 2018 to be on broadcast cbs
-created bowl game and then sold it for millions

those are just the public things aswell as the revenue sports ..
rumors about aresco being part of why tulsa got in the ncaa 2 year ago after AAC being first out the 2years prior

he's done a TON

That list is rather unimpressive and somewhat inaccurate. My 90 year old, legally blind Grandmother could probably do most of those things.

tell you legally blind Grandmother to go commish the MWC or the sunbelt or the Mac or C-usa

last i checked when the league started the MWC was perceived as potentially better in 2013 when our deals where signed..yet we play our championship on ABC..they play theirs on espn2... everything i named above every other g5 could have done..yet thet dont have any of it..

when this league started the MWC had every opportunity we had ..4 years later the prrof is in the results

there are talks of a growing divide but yet our league is somehow closing it...the mwc literally went from being classified as a high-major to being classified as a mid-major in basketball in that span in football their champion has had to play the #6 AAC 2 years in a row now

literally wichita went to the mwc first...they couldnt get them in...

and your grandma must have been a financial genius as she can negotiate through 200mil worth of financials in 2 years, while negotiating a tv contract .. all at the same time the leaving conference had enough votes to dissolve the league and pay nothing

people dont realize how bad it could have ended up for this league ..yet today tho all would take a p5 invite in a second but most are happy and content here till that invite potentially comes (talking about people in power not disgruntle uconn fan)

you are just a hater..these are the facts 07-coffee3

Couldn't get them in lol. Have you even read what Hair told the shockers? MWC won't take on non football playing teams and they need to look elsewhere. The AAC has experience with b ball only members so it made sense after getting turned down by the mwc. Come to think of it the AAC has tried to get most of the mwc to come over with no success.

I rarely agree with EDLUVAR, but I'm pretty sure he is more correct than Pesik's "facts." From my understanding, WSU approached both the MWC and AAC. The MWC said no way, while the AAC said we'll think about it. The MWC didn't want a non-football member. It wasn't that they "couldn't get them in." 07-coffee3 07-coffee3
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(07-23-2017 01:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Couldn't get them in lol. Have you even read what Hair told the shockers? MWC won't take on non football playing teams and they need to look elsewhere. The AAC has experience with b ball only members so it made sense after getting turned down by the mwc. Come to think of it the AAC has tried to get most of the mwc to come over with no success.

my statements are from a recent interview i dont feel like googling, but im sure you can find it, it was for a podcast (fanhood also listened to it too, maybe he can link it, we talked about it here)

after the AAC added them, craig thompson (mwc commish) was asked for a interview why wasnt Wichita added in his words (paraphrased)
he said the travel expenses were too much, and that they didnt think beyond basketball prestige it would be worth the cost..

the "non-football" thing is a lie, i listened to the entire interview he never mentioned that...he said it was solely based on the fact he didnt think the MWC teams could afford the travel costs for all sports

and ps wichita said they originally went to the MWC conference becuase they taught it would have been easier to enter because the league needed help and it was less travel than the AAC

that was my entire point..the mwc had a chance to make a move to strengthen the league but passed on them for financial resumes...
the aac (where there would be more travel expenses than the mwc) took them, we will take short term losses on the travel cost, knowing adding wichita will increase our basketball profile and will add more money to our future deals to make up for hte costs

the point: the mwc is in survival mode doing all it can to survive, no initiative to grow. avoiding any extra expenses stalling for their inevitable demise ...he couldn't get wichita in on fear of losses

the AAC is in investment mode- we know we dont have much but we'll invest what we have now, and plant the seeds for future growth
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I'm still trying to figure out how more exposure equals more money for anyone in this conference, especially Memphis. Those two things are diametrically opposed to each other.
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(07-23-2017 03:41 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I'm still trying to figure out how more exposure equals more money for anyone in this conference, especially Memphis. Those two things are diametrically opposed to each other.

2 way..
1) more exposure equals bigger brand in the future..bigger brand equal more money..think the big east when it started ..it was all tiny private school all located in small region..they took no money but lots of exposure from espn...5 years later their brands were so big they were worth tons more

2) more exposure more brands are willing to sign with you for more money
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