(08-14-2017 12:39 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 12:36 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 11:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:31 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Come on, guys.

No sense in acting like those petty miscreants on Bluto's board.

Many of us here don't really care about Bluto's board. Not sure why some of you have to constantly bring it up here.

I heard he single-handedly ruined this bored.

Drops mic

Maybe he found a better life.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-811806.html

(08-13-2017 12:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 08:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:23 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:20 AM)holyterror Wrote:  While the buck stops with Tubby, attendance was headed to the crapper before he arrived and underwhelmed the fanbase.

I agree. We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down. We should give Coach Smith at least 2 or 3 to try and build it back up.

Cal built it back up before the team played a single game. To even imply that Pastner ruined attendance or ruined the program is disgusting on so many levels. Pastner did an incredible job his first 5 seasons and even when everyone had had enough of him, he still kept attendance in the top 30 in 2015.

1996: 16 Memphis 17 241,996 14,235
1997: 30 Memphis 15 179,703 11,980
1998: 18. Memphis 15 201,398 13,427
1999: 20. Memphis 16 222,605 13,913
2000: 25. Memphis 17 203,550 11,974
2001: 6. Memphis 17 290,864 17,110


2009: 8. Memphis 20 338,658 16,933

2010: 8. Memphis 20 329,968 16,498
2011: 8. Memphis 19 318,601 16,768
2012: 11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
2013: 11. Memphis 18 294,044 16,336
2014: 10. Memphis 18 290,183 16,121
2015: 21. Memphis 18 250,478 13,915
2016: 30. Memphis 20 240,579 12,028

2017: 46. Memphis 18 173,208 9,622
2018: ???

Unless Tubby pulls a rabbit out of his rear end, he is going to do something just as historic with attendance this year as he did to end the season against UCF and SMU. Hopefully, the results on the court for the season won't mirror that.

Quote:We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down.

Pastner's attendance figures were better than Cal's many years, he had us in the top 30 every year, the top 21, 6 out of 7 seasons, and the top 11, 5 out of 7 seasons.

This statement is REVOLTING, especially when posters follow it up by defending Tubby in any way.

Pastner got to live on his success in an inferior CUSA. Got a free pass the first year in the AAC then reality started to set in. That is what attendance shows. If Tubby wins it will trend back up but even then it won't be instantaneous.

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What shows is that you have no grasp with reality. You reference stuff that Tubby did 25 years ago as if it is meaningful, but call stuff that happened less than 2 years ago, revisionist history.

Attendance is good when we had good teams. Attendance is bad when we have bad teams. When we change coaches and the fans have hope, attendance increases or stays the same as it did with Cal and Pastner. When we change coaches and the fans don't have hope, we get what we got with Tic and Tubby.

Pastner lived off of the success of an inferior CUSA? He had his best season against ranked teams when he played them the most. P5 teams have great teams in their league to drag up the SOS and make it easier to make the tournament by winning a couple of games against ranked teams and the top 50 of the RPI at home.

In 2013, we went 30-4 with an RPI of 14 and got a 6 seed and a round of 32 road game against Michigan State. Does that seem like a good deal? Tell me if we got a good deal at 14 in the RPI compared to everyone else.

#14 RPI NCAA Tournament
2011 Purdue #3 seed vs. #93 St. Peter's
2012 Georgetown #3 seed vs. #60 Belmont
2013 Memphis #6 seed vs. #25 St. Mary's
2014 Duke #3 seed vs. #74 Mercer (#14 SMU ineligible)
2015 Maryland #4 seed vs. #56 Valparaiso
2016 Duke #2 seed vs. #295 Troy
2017 UCLA #3 seed vs. #135 Kent State

Try and use common sense for a change.

You are getting personally insulting again. Watch it. Nothing I stated isn't true. Pastner simply rode the coattails of the Cal era until consistently underperforming team dragged attendance down. This trend was amplified with our conference change. Attendance will always move like a tanker ship, turning and changes in speed always take a while (ie several seasons). Don't reply if you can not be more civil.

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(08-13-2017 12:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:08 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:23 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  I agree. We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down. We should give Coach Smith at least 2 or 3 to try and build it back up.

If some think Tubby is responsible for the attendance decline, they haven't been paying attention - or they haven't actually attended the games over the last 5 yrs. If you've attended, you know the decline started long before JP was actually gone. And Tubby has been here just one year - a little reality is in order IMO.

The reality is that there were a lot of no shows for many of Cal's teams, but the fans BOUGHT tickets for Cal and Pastner's teams. The difference is that ticket sales are in free fall with Tubby. THAT is the reality.

Cal built it back up before the team played a single game. To even imply that Pastner ruined attendance or ruined the program is disgusting on so many levels. Pastner did an incredible job his first 5 seasons and even when everyone had had enough of him, he still kept attendance in the top 30 in 2015.

1996: 16 Memphis 17 241,996 14,235
1997: 30 Memphis 15 179,703 11,980
1998: 18. Memphis 15 201,398 13,427
1999: 20. Memphis 16 222,605 13,913
2000: 25. Memphis 17 203,550 11,974
2001: 6. Memphis 17 290,864 17,110


2009: 8. Memphis 20 338,658 16,933

2010: 8. Memphis 20 329,968 16,498
2011: 8. Memphis 19 318,601 16,768
2012: 11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
2013: 11. Memphis 18 294,044 16,336
2014: 10. Memphis 18 290,183 16,121
2015: 21. Memphis 18 250,478 13,915
2016: 30. Memphis 20 240,579 12,028

2017: 46. Memphis 18 173,208 9,622
2018: ???

Unless Tubby pulls a rabbit out of his rear end, he is going to do something just as historic with attendance this year as he did to end the season against UCF and SMU. Hopefully, the results on the court for the season won't mirror that.

Quote:
We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down.

Pastner's attendance figures were better than Cal's many years, he had us in the top 30 every year, the top 21, 6 out of 7 seasons, and the top 11, 5 out of 7 seasons.

This statement is REVOLTING, especially when posters follow it up by defending Tubby in any way.

Pastner's attendance figures were riding on the coattails of the most successful period in our history. Cal is definitely one of the best promoters and recruiters the game has ever seen. That is what he lives on. Who else in the game does it at that level? He also paid for some of the best teams we ever had and he didn't do any of it for the betterment of the university. He only did it for his own advancement and then left us twisting in the wind when the hammer came down. I'm not even saying I would expect anything different only that we should be honest about how the attendance numbers were built and what is reasonable to build it back up.

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More nonsense. 5 years after Cal left we averaged 16,121 fans and Pastner was apparently still riding his coattails, BUT 2 years after Pastner leaves the program is completely ruined for poor old Tubby.

Attendance Cal's first year went from 11,974 to 17,110 after a period that was much worse than the last two years under Pastner.

Please try and make sense.

I gave Cal credit as the best at marketing a program and even asked for any examples like him. Again, please be civil.

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(08-14-2017 06:41 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-13-2017 12:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:08 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If some think Tubby is responsible for the attendance decline, they haven't been paying attention - or they haven't actually attended the games over the last 5 yrs. If you've attended, you know the decline started long before JP was actually gone. And Tubby has been here just one year - a little reality is in order IMO.

The reality is that there were a lot of no shows for many of Cal's teams, but the fans BOUGHT tickets for Cal and Pastner's teams. The difference is that ticket sales are in free fall with Tubby. THAT is the reality.

Cal built it back up before the team played a single game. To even imply that Pastner ruined attendance or ruined the program is disgusting on so many levels. Pastner did an incredible job his first 5 seasons and even when everyone had had enough of him, he still kept attendance in the top 30 in 2015.

1996: 16 Memphis 17 241,996 14,235
1997: 30 Memphis 15 179,703 11,980
1998: 18. Memphis 15 201,398 13,427
1999: 20. Memphis 16 222,605 13,913
2000: 25. Memphis 17 203,550 11,974
2001: 6. Memphis 17 290,864 17,110


2009: 8. Memphis 20 338,658 16,933

2010: 8. Memphis 20 329,968 16,498
2011: 8. Memphis 19 318,601 16,768
2012: 11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
2013: 11. Memphis 18 294,044 16,336
2014: 10. Memphis 18 290,183 16,121
2015: 21. Memphis 18 250,478 13,915
2016: 30. Memphis 20 240,579 12,028

2017: 46. Memphis 18 173,208 9,622
2018: ???

Unless Tubby pulls a rabbit out of his rear end, he is going to do something just as historic with attendance this year as he did to end the season against UCF and SMU. Hopefully, the results on the court for the season won't mirror that.

Quote:
We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down.

Pastner's attendance figures were better than Cal's many years, he had us in the top 30 every year, the top 21, 6 out of 7 seasons, and the top 11, 5 out of 7 seasons.

This statement is REVOLTING, especially when posters follow it up by defending Tubby in any way.

Pastner's attendance figures were riding on the coattails of the most successful period in our history. Cal is definitely one of the best promoters and recruiters the game has ever seen. That is what he lives on. Who else in the game does it at that level? He also paid for some of the best teams we ever had and he didn't do any of it for the betterment of the university. He only did it for his own advancement and then left us twisting in the wind when the hammer came down. I'm not even saying I would expect anything different only that we should be honest about how the attendance numbers were built and what is reasonable to build it back up.

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More nonsense. 5 years after Cal left we averaged 16,121 fans and Pastner was apparently still riding his coattails, BUT 2 years after Pastner leaves the program is completely ruined for poor old Tubby.

Attendance Cal's first year went from 11,974 to 17,110 after a period that was much worse than the last two years under Pastner.

Please try and make sense.

I gave Cal credit as the best at marketing a program and even asked for any examples like him. Again, please be civil.

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Good luck with that

(08-14-2017 06:38 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-13-2017 12:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 08:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:23 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  I agree. We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down. We should give Coach Smith at least 2 or 3 to try and build it back up.

Cal built it back up before the team played a single game. To even imply that Pastner ruined attendance or ruined the program is disgusting on so many levels. Pastner did an incredible job his first 5 seasons and even when everyone had had enough of him, he still kept attendance in the top 30 in 2015.

1996: 16 Memphis 17 241,996 14,235
1997: 30 Memphis 15 179,703 11,980
1998: 18. Memphis 15 201,398 13,427
1999: 20. Memphis 16 222,605 13,913
2000: 25. Memphis 17 203,550 11,974
2001: 6. Memphis 17 290,864 17,110


2009: 8. Memphis 20 338,658 16,933

2010: 8. Memphis 20 329,968 16,498
2011: 8. Memphis 19 318,601 16,768
2012: 11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
2013: 11. Memphis 18 294,044 16,336
2014: 10. Memphis 18 290,183 16,121
2015: 21. Memphis 18 250,478 13,915
2016: 30. Memphis 20 240,579 12,028

2017: 46. Memphis 18 173,208 9,622
2018: ???

Unless Tubby pulls a rabbit out of his rear end, he is going to do something just as historic with attendance this year as he did to end the season against UCF and SMU. Hopefully, the results on the court for the season won't mirror that.

Quote:We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down.

Pastner's attendance figures were better than Cal's many years, he had us in the top 30 every year, the top 21, 6 out of 7 seasons, and the top 11, 5 out of 7 seasons.

This statement is REVOLTING, especially when posters follow it up by defending Tubby in any way.

Pastner got to live on his success in an inferior CUSA. Got a free pass the first year in the AAC then reality started to set in. That is what attendance shows. If Tubby wins it will trend back up but even then it won't be instantaneous.

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What shows is that you have no grasp with reality. You reference stuff that Tubby did 25 years ago as if it is meaningful, but call stuff that happened less than 2 years ago, revisionist history.

Attendance is good when we had good teams. Attendance is bad when we have bad teams. When we change coaches and the fans have hope, attendance increases or stays the same as it did with Cal and Pastner. When we change coaches and the fans don't have hope, we get what we got with Tic and Tubby.

Pastner lived off of the success of an inferior CUSA? He had his best season against ranked teams when he played them the most. P5 teams have great teams in their league to drag up the SOS and make it easier to make the tournament by winning a couple of games against ranked teams and the top 50 of the RPI at home.

In 2013, we went 30-4 with an RPI of 14 and got a 6 seed and a round of 32 road game against Michigan State. Does that seem like a good deal? Tell me if we got a good deal at 14 in the RPI compared to everyone else.

#14 RPI NCAA Tournament
2011 Purdue #3 seed vs. #93 St. Peter's
2012 Georgetown #3 seed vs. #60 Belmont
2013 Memphis #6 seed vs. #25 St. Mary's
2014 Duke #3 seed vs. #74 Mercer (#14 SMU ineligible)
2015 Maryland #4 seed vs. #56 Valparaiso
2016 Duke #2 seed vs. #295 Troy
2017 UCLA #3 seed vs. #135 Kent State

Try and use common sense for a change.

You are getting personally insulting again. Watch it. Nothing I stated isn't true. Pastner simply rode the coattails of the Cal era until consistently underperforming team dragged attendance down. This trend was amplified with our conference change. Attendance will always move like a tanker ship, turning and changes in speed always take a while (ie several seasons). Don't reply if you can not be more civil.

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Don't forget two facts that I have repeated here. Memphis basketball attendance is based on 2 things in almost equal parts. They are the quality of the product on the floor, and hope. It has nothing to do with tanker ships or anything else you choose to imagine or make up.

Quote:Attendance will always move like a tanker ship.

Let's start by blowing this silly statement out of the water.

2000: 11,974
2001: 17,110

We had a spike in attendance when Cal took the job, purely based on hope. We hadn't been to the tournament in 4 years. Despite that, attendance for those 4 years still averaged 12,824. Speaking of those 4 years...

1997: 11,980
1998: 13,427
1999: 13,913
2000: 11,974

The product was dismal; a combined 63-58 with no NCAA appearances and no post season twice. The fans rode the coattails of the 1996 season which ending in a major disappointment after a great start, and attendance actually rose when Tic Price got the job...again, based on the fans having hope.

2009: 16,993
2010: 16,498
2014: 16,121

5 years after Cal leaves, attendance is still going strong. To say that in 2014 that Pastner was still riding Cal's coattails is ridiculous. Attendance is still over 16,000 even though we have only 1 NCAA win during that time.

2014: 16,121
2015: 13,915
2016: 12,028
2017: 9,622

In 2014, the product was still good and the fans still had hope. When 2015 came around, attendance started to tank...like a fast tanker, not the one you described. 2017 was a mess and 2018 will be even worse.

So in summary, Memphians will ALWAYS buy tickets if they have hope of better days. They don't insist on a coach performing at a high level as long as this hope exists. We saw it with Tic Price and even in Johnny Jones' only season, when fans knew it would be a mess, they still supported the coach and we drew 12,974 for the year.

Pastner 2014 = very good product, lots of hope
Pastner 2015 = decent but not great product, waning hope
Pastner 2016 = no hope at all
Tubby 2017 = no hope at all
Tubby 2018 = no hope at all

IF we would have hired an up and comer, attendance would have at least held at the 12,028 that it was at Pasnter's last season and would have probably increased.

So I will say in the most civil tone possible; everything that you posted above is wrong.

Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

(08-14-2017 06:41 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-13-2017 12:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 09:08 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If some think Tubby is responsible for the attendance decline, they haven't been paying attention - or they haven't actually attended the games over the last 5 yrs. If you've attended, you know the decline started long before JP was actually gone. And Tubby has been here just one year - a little reality is in order IMO.

The reality is that there were a lot of no shows for many of Cal's teams, but the fans BOUGHT tickets for Cal and Pastner's teams. The difference is that ticket sales are in free fall with Tubby. THAT is the reality.

Cal built it back up before the team played a single game. To even imply that Pastner ruined attendance or ruined the program is disgusting on so many levels. Pastner did an incredible job his first 5 seasons and even when everyone had had enough of him, he still kept attendance in the top 30 in 2015.

1996: 16 Memphis 17 241,996 14,235
1997: 30 Memphis 15 179,703 11,980
1998: 18. Memphis 15 201,398 13,427
1999: 20. Memphis 16 222,605 13,913
2000: 25. Memphis 17 203,550 11,974
2001: 6. Memphis 17 290,864 17,110


2009: 8. Memphis 20 338,658 16,933

2010: 8. Memphis 20 329,968 16,498
2011: 8. Memphis 19 318,601 16,768
2012: 11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
2013: 11. Memphis 18 294,044 16,336
2014: 10. Memphis 18 290,183 16,121
2015: 21. Memphis 18 250,478 13,915
2016: 30. Memphis 20 240,579 12,028

2017: 46. Memphis 18 173,208 9,622
2018: ???

Unless Tubby pulls a rabbit out of his rear end, he is going to do something just as historic with attendance this year as he did to end the season against UCF and SMU. Hopefully, the results on the court for the season won't mirror that.

Quote:
We gave the previous coach 7 years to gradually tear it down.

Pastner's attendance figures were better than Cal's many years, he had us in the top 30 every year, the top 21, 6 out of 7 seasons, and the top 11, 5 out of 7 seasons.

This statement is REVOLTING, especially when posters follow it up by defending Tubby in any way.

Pastner's attendance figures were riding on the coattails of the most successful period in our history. Cal is definitely one of the best promoters and recruiters the game has ever seen. That is what he lives on. Who else in the game does it at that level? He also paid for some of the best teams we ever had and he didn't do any of it for the betterment of the university. He only did it for his own advancement and then left us twisting in the wind when the hammer came down. I'm not even saying I would expect anything different only that we should be honest about how the attendance numbers were built and what is reasonable to build it back up.

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More nonsense. 5 years after Cal left we averaged 16,121 fans and Pastner was apparently still riding his coattails, BUT 2 years after Pastner leaves the program is completely ruined for poor old Tubby.

Attendance Cal's first year went from 11,974 to 17,110 after a period that was much worse than the last two years under Pastner.

Please try and make sense.

I gave Cal credit as the best at marketing a program and even asked for any examples like him. Again, please be civil.

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Cal was great at marketing. He was also great at winning college basketball games. In his last 5 seasons at UMass; which btw was not even half the program that Minnesota or Texas Tech are; he had a Final Four, Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 with 5 tournament appearances and 11 NCAA wins. So yes, Cal was great at marketing, but he was even better at winning college basketball games.

Unfortunately, for your argument, Memphis fans don't need for their coaches to be great at marketing; nor do they need for their coaches to have a great track record. As mentioned before, all Memphis fans need in order to support the program is hope.

When Johnny Jones took over, we were coming off of 3 consecutive years not making the tournament with a 46-42 record AND the Tic Price scandal. I would hardly call Jones a wow hire, but we still drew 11,074 his only season. In 2016, the entire fanbase was done with Pastner and we still drew 12,028. Tic Price was hardly a marketing genius. He might have been almost as bad as Tubby, but we still drew 13,427 his first season and 13,913 his second season.

The fanbase has no hope. That is why when we were 14-5, playing a UCF team that was 14-4, coming off of 5 wins in our last 6 games including an overtime win in the game before at Houston, there was only attendance of 9,625.

At that point, the fans were pleased with Tubby and the team was playing well, but most of the fans knew that they are getting a coach who has 1 NCAA win in the last 9 seasons, is at an age where he should be retiring, with a very low ceiling.

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

(08-15-2017 12:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

I dunno man...maybe you are right. We might get a slight boost the first season but we would have to get back to our winning ways for season ticket sales to be on the upswing again.

(08-15-2017 01:51 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

I dunno man...maybe you are right. We might get a slight boost the first season but we would have to get back to our winning ways for season ticket sales to be on the upswing again.

That is the truth and after Pastner, any hire should have provided a boost.

If Tubby went out tomorrow and got commitments from a couple of top 100 prospects, many of us would back down quite a bit. If we have a good team this year, many of us will back down. If Tubby would just do something that merits having hope he wouldn't be catching half of the flack that he is.

Nobody expects Tubby to recruit like Pastner, but there is no reason why he can't recruit at a level halfway between Pastner and what he is used to. Please don't say that it isn't much easier to recruit here than it is at Minnesota or Texas Tech.

(08-15-2017 12:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

I think I would have been more disappointed in Kennedy than I was in the Tubby hire.

(08-15-2017 02:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

I think I would have been more disappointed in Kennedy than I was in the Tubby hire.

I would have too, but it would have been a close call. When it comes to character, Kennedy can't hold a candle to Tubby, no doubt about that. They have won the same number of NCAA games in the last 11 years and neither had a decent job offer in the last decade until Tubby lucked into Memphis.

Having said that, I would think that Andy Kennedy would have won more than Tubby will. Would he have enough more games to warrant the stench of having him as our coach? Tough call. I do know that if it is March of 2016 and I am asked who I think has the best chance to go to the Sweet 16 at Memphis, I choose Kennedy hands down.

Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

(08-15-2017 02:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Ticket sales were at $12K but attendance was putrid, slightly above 6K. It's possible that a "hot" hire might have helped retain the same amount of ticket sales but this is unlike 18 years back. Times are different, the fanbase is older etc. The fanbase soured with the previous regime and the handling of the previous regime by the administration. It rightly reflected in ticket sales and IMO will not bounce back until we get back to winning ways. Short of a sexy hire like Cal was, I doubt we would have seen a bump in ticket sales especially with many other entertainment options that's now available.

For a few years we heard fans say that they wouldn't come back until Pastner was gone, and would support ANY coach the day that happened. We managed to make the most uninspired hire possible; an old coach a dozen years past his prime, whose track record was worse than the coach he replaced.

IF Tubby was fired today and we hired a decent up and comer, attendance would get a big boost. People here are in love with Steve Forbes. If we hired Steve Forbes or even Andy Kennedy, there would be more excitement than there is right now.

I think I would have been more disappointed in Kennedy than I was in the Tubby hire.

Me too. I was actually semi-ecstatic with the Tubby hire, but I was ignoring all rumors till I saw him first hand. lol

(08-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

Not surprised. $3M per is rarefied air, as cal might say.

(08-15-2017 06:49 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

Not surprised. $3M per is rarefied air, as cal might say.

Do you miss him?

(08-15-2017 07:36 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:49 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

Not surprised. $3M per is rarefied air, as cal might say.

Do you miss him?

yes

(08-15-2017 08:43 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:36 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:49 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

Not surprised. $3M per is rarefied air, as cal might say.

Do you miss him?

yes

Bluto or Calipari?

(08-15-2017 09:27 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 08:43 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:36 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:49 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's makes more money than 58 of the 68 coaches earning an NCAA bid last season.

Not surprised. $3M per is rarefied air, as cal might say.

Do you miss him?

yes

Bluto or Calipari?