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https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

It sounds like it will be every "G" for themselves when bowl negotiations are up.

I think a consolidated effort would be better....4 good bowl games for the conference champions of the G that do not get the autobid.

Holiday
Sun
Liberty
Independence

G against Top 25 ranked P competition. In stadiums not suitable for hosting CFP bowls since they aren't NFL (Holiday about to become a baseball stadium).

Quote:"We’re starting to look much more like the P5 than the G5."

But that doesn't hide the facts on the ground, and Aresco is realistic about those as well. He knows the league’s lineup of bowls isn’t good enough at present, and now even worse with the folding of the conference-owned Miami Beach Bowl after just three editions. He also knows that a guaranteed spot in a New-Year’s-6-or-whatever-that-becomes is critical to making P6 more tenable.

“It’s really critical we create the perception that we are a P6 so when (the CFP Playoff) either gets renegotiated or an extension is negotiated, and that’ll happen before the 12 years are up (the ESPN contract ends in 2025), that we’ve gotta get in it. That we’ve got to have a contract bowl. By then we’ve got to prove that we deserve it.”

“Our best team is going to struggle to be on New Year’s Day only because our league is so good. You know they’re going to lose some games, and unfortunately someone in another league that might not be as strong as ours might slip through undefeated or with one loss.”

https://www.thedailystampede.com/2017/7/...conference

More realism here from Aresco than 75% of the AAC board.

It's tougher to go through the AAC undefeated so it won't happen often.

i would like to see
vs MAC champ in Det
vs BYU in LV
vs SB champ in NO
vs MWC champ in Haw
vs B-10-B-12 in Dallas classic
Bir vs SEC works
Milatary vs ACC works
St Pete vs ACC works

Bowl attrition will affect all the G5 and those slots awarded to 6th seed or lower from P5s as there just isn't the fan interest for travel, or the money involved to be worth it for a lot of these to continue.

The advantage the AAC has is generally speaking better teams with better media exposure/demand that others so they will always be in play for better bowl tie ins.

(07-19-2017 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  It sounds like it will be every "G" for themselves when bowl negotiations are up.

I think a consolidated effort would be better....4 good bowl games for the conference champions of the G that do not get the autobid.

Holiday
Sun
Liberty
Independence

G against Top 25 ranked P competition. In stadiums not suitable for hosting CFP bowls since they aren't NFL (Holiday about to become a baseball stadium).

The problem is convincing those bowls to drop a P5 tie in favor of a G5 tie. It's going to be tough for Aresco to somehow manage to get one bowl to do it---but 4? That's a really tall order.

I'd do think the 4 champs could probably approach a network about pairing the 4 G5 champs against each other in a set of decent payday bowls aired by maybe Fox or NBC. But I don't think that's what Aresco wants. Sounds like he'd be far more interested in sacrificing payout for a prestigious opponent.

(07-20-2017 12:19 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Bowl attrition will affect all the G5 and those slots awarded to 6th seed or lower from P5s as there just isn't the fan interest for travel, or the money involved to be worth it for a lot of these to continue.

The advantage the AAC has is generally speaking better teams with better media exposure/demand that others so they will always be in play for better bowl tie ins.

It depends which G5 school. People will want to go see a Boise State team playing than a Wyoming. Some G5 schools have more exposures and have the name brand that people would come out to see.

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

They need to worry about winning their bowl games first. The AAC has been horrible in their bowl games against fellow G5 opponents the last few years.

(07-20-2017 12:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 12:19 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Bowl attrition will affect all the G5 and those slots awarded to 6th seed or lower from P5s as there just isn't the fan interest for travel, or the money involved to be worth it for a lot of these to continue.

The advantage the AAC has is generally speaking better teams with better media exposure/demand that others so they will always be in play for better bowl tie ins.

It depends which G5 school. People will want to go see a Boise State team playing than a Wyoming. Some G5 schools have more exposures and have the name brand that people would come out to see.

They would really like to see those Arkansas Tech Wonderboys take on North Dakota State Bisons.

(07-20-2017 12:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The problem is convincing those bowls to drop a P5 tie in favor of a G5 tie. It's going to be tough for Aresco to somehow manage to get one bowl to do it---but 4? That's a really tall order.

I'd do think the 4 champs could probably approach a network about pairing the 4 G5 champs against each other in a set of decent payday bowls aired by maybe Fox or NBC. But I don't think that's what Aresco wants. Sounds like he'd be far more interested in sacrificing payout for a prestigious opponent.

Agreed, getting even one bowl to drop a P5 tie in favor of the AAC is going to be tough. I don't think it will happen.

Also agree about your "prestige" vs "payout" point. IMO, Aresco, who himself happens to be very well paid, seems to value image over substance. He'd rather be able to walk around at commissioner meetings with prestige feathers in his cap (while our schools have empty coffers) than the opposite.

Bless Aresco. He's the little engine that could. He's doing everything and saying everything he can to promote the league and place it in better position.

(07-20-2017 08:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Bless Aresco. He's the little engine that could. He's doing everything and saying everything he can to promote the league and place it in better position.

Engaging in some speculative pop/armchair psychology, I think two things drive him. First, Aresco strikes me as highly status-conscious. He was a big-time TV executive, and when he got hired by the Big East, he thought he was agreeing to take the commissioner's job at a Power conference. That fit with his status, he believes that is the kind of job that his stature in the TV industry commanded. He wasn't interested in being commissioner of C-USA. So when the Big East crumbled to non-power status, that was a big blow to his ego, his professional identity, so the constant harping about "power" and the like is psychologically defensive, he can pretend to himself that he really IS the commissioner of a power league and not feel the sense of professional embarrassment that comes with knowing he's not.

The other is salary: Realistically, he knows he's overpaid. He's getting "P6" pay for a league that is making G5 money. He wants to keep that gig, so in the absence of being able to to do anything real to make the league an actual power league, he has to keep up a constant Wizard of Oz type smoke and pony show to cover for that fact. I've said for a while that the real audience for stuff like the P6 campaign isn't the CFP or the media or us fans, it's the members of the AAC, to create the impression to its schools that he has an Active Plan to change our status.

And it worked, as the AAC recently re-upped his contract.

All IMHO.

Between Val and Aresco, I'm glad the C7/BE ended up with who they did. Aresco, while being dealt a weak hand, clearly was able to add no additional value to the AAC's original contract. He talked a big game back then, and then when the details were announced - especially near the BE's new lucrative deal with Fox - it appeared he back tracked and settled on the exposure route (something he continues to do because I feel he knows he would be setting himself up for disappointment when the next TV deal is announced).

(07-20-2017 08:48 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Val and Aresco, I'm glad the C7/BE ended up with who they did. Aresco, while being dealt a weak hand, clearly was able to add no additional value to the AAC's original contract. He talked a big game back then, and then when the details were announced - especially near the BE's new lucrative deal with Fox - it appeared he back tracked and settled on the exposure route (something he continues to do because I feel he knows he would be setting himself up for disappointment when the next TV deal is announced).

Agreed, big-time. She was born and raised in Big East territory and is steeped in basketball culture. Ackerman doesn't jibber-jabber in the media nearly as much as Aresco, and as a female commissioner she could probably attract a lot more media attention if she wanted to, but her quiet approach has paid big dividends for the Big East, we've had four years of success and stability, coming from a day one in which the Big East 'administration' was "her and her iphone". Very well done, so far.

Aresco is trying his best, but golf balls won't do it. As the saying goes, "Show me the money" in the next TV contracts. Also, it would help if the AAC could win more than 33% of their games vs P5 (season & bowls-2016)

(07-20-2017 08:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Bless Aresco. He's the little engine that could. He's doing everything and saying everything he can to promote the league and place it in better position.

Honestly, getting better bowls is a huge puzzle piece. Half the batter is the exposure, and being in a better (name recognition) bowl will also elevate the profile of the conference.

TV dollars may or may not be there in the regular contract for the American, although I'd be willing to bet Aresco has a decent idea on the valuation of the contract now that the conference has been together for a few years. Time will tell but bowl selection is a good strategy to pursue.

(07-20-2017 01:54 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

They need to worry about winning their bowl games first. The AAC has been horrible in their bowl games against fellow G5 opponents the last few years.

Despite going 11-1 vs. G4 conference opponents in 2016 in the regular season and something like 22-2 over the past 2 years. But never let facts get in the way of an agenda.

Look up the AAC's regular season record vs. the G4 for yourself if you don't believe me. AAC has literally won about 90% of games vs. G4 in regular season.

(07-20-2017 10:01 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 01:54 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  [i]
https://twitter.com/USFCollin/status/887...73/photo/1

They need to worry about winning their bowl games first. The AAC has been horrible in their bowl games against fellow G5 opponents the last few years.

Despite going 11-1 vs. G4 conference opponents in 2016 in the regular season and something like 22-2 over the past 2 years. But never let facts get in the way of an agenda.

Look up the AAC's regular season record vs. the G4 for yourself if you don't believe me. AAC has literally won about 90% of games vs. G4 in regular season.

It isn't about winning the bowls, though competitive games help.

It's about supporting the bowls, through traveling fans and TV ratings.

(07-20-2017 12:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 12:19 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Bowl attrition will affect all the G5 and those slots awarded to 6th seed or lower from P5s as there just isn't the fan interest for travel, or the money involved to be worth it for a lot of these to continue.

The advantage the AAC has is generally speaking better teams with better media exposure/demand that others so they will always be in play for better bowl tie ins.

It depends which G5 school. People will want to go see a Boise State team playing than a Wyoming. Some G5 schools have more exposures and have the name brand that people would come out to see.

Depending on your point of view Boise State is a different play to call. Their long time winning tradition in the BCS era makes them an outlier in that regard. Most of the other successful teams in the MWC don't get the luxuries of media coverage when they are good like Boise does.

(07-20-2017 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Also agree about your "prestige" vs "payout" point. IMO, Aresco, who himself happens to be very well paid, seems to value image over substance. He'd rather be able to walk around at commissioner meetings with prestige feathers in his cap (while our schools have empty coffers) than the opposite.

You have to create a image to market.

You have to negotiate the media deal to put the money in your coffer. Aresco is playing the see what we can do game to get more money--and considering at the point the AAC was founded there were a lot of questions about its stability and quality of product.

The next time around the AAC could very well negotiate a better media deal.

If you are worried about USF's own coffer then I would suggest you worry about your booster organizations and your attendance at games. Obviously winning will help all matters in that regard but....