Just my guesses, not facts, mind you.

1 - people who thought Yanez should've been guilty, will want retribution
2 - Somali's wanting to defend one of their own

(07-19-2017 12:02 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I did. There isn't one that I found in the first three pages.

"Australian woman calls police, killed by police"... right on the first page of listings..


But to add to the story with more stuff.. only one of the officers is talking (understandable, as Noor has to talk with his legal advisors first)... and he said there was a loud noise just prior to the shooting (or at least the last article I read said this).

Again, I'm still confused as why two "relatively" young officers were put together, and _if_ the Daily Mail story is correct, why Noor was still a police officer.

Quote:Two are from 2017 and one from 2016 is closed and according to Lou Raguse of Kare 11 is marked 'not to be made public'.

The lawsuit stems from a police call on May 25, 2017, when Noor and two other officers took a woman to hospital and she claimed that they carried out false imprisonment, assault and battery.

According to the ongoing lawsuit, the woman claimed that Noor 'grabbed her right wrist and upper arm' when moving her, leaving her 'immobilised'.

Admittedly, it's a case of the word of the cop vs. 'possible criminal', but when you've got three charges against you, 2 in this year alone, so 2 in 6 months, it does make you wonder about the cop's ability to do the job.

Apologies, I didn't see that ... I was looking for Minnesota or Mpls, not Austrailia in thread titles.

The StarTribune should be considered the prime source of the facts here, not the DailyMail. I've given everything that is known at this point, in the OP.

(07-19-2017 11:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:06 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Not cooperating is not a good sign....

I dispute the line in your pic claiming the partner was talking to the lady when the shot was fired. That is not at all what is being reported locally here in the StarTrib. They are reporting that the shot was fired as the lady was approaching the vehicle.

Not sure if that comes from the official interview with the partner or not.

(07-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not everyone has what it takes to be a policeman. This guy doesn't sound like he should be a policeman.

Anyone can have a gun, and kill you in an instant. The training that police officers go through, on how to react to life-threatening situations, is pretty incredible.

Bull posted a really cool video where a Houston TV station had a local anti-gun activist go through the training. It was eye opening for me.

Yeah these incidents are tragic, and nothing can dismiss them, but it's also tragic when a PO "takes it easy" and then out of nowhere the person being confronted whips out a gun and shoots the officer dead.


So there's that.

Then there this: he was the first Somali police officer on the force, and Mpls has a (relatively) huge Somali community in the city. I don't know if "affirmative action" is a relevant term in this scenario, but just saying.

I'm extremely sympathetic to the issues of law enforcement. The fellow in question already has 3 prior incidents and now this deadly encounter---all within his pretty short time on the force. That's why I'm thinking maybe he's simply not the type of person who can deal with the unique demands of this job.

(07-19-2017 12:02 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I did. There isn't one that I found in the first three pages.

"Australian woman calls police, killed by police"... right on the first page of listings..


But to add to the story with more stuff.. only one of the officers is talking (understandable, as Noor has to talk with his legal advisors first)... and he said there was a loud noise just prior to the shooting (or at least the last article I read said this).

Again, I'm still confused as why two "relatively" young officers were put together, and _if_ the Daily Mail story is correct, why Noor was still a police officer.

Quote:Two are from 2017 and one from 2016 is closed and according to Lou Raguse of Kare 11 is marked 'not to be made public'.

The lawsuit stems from a police call on May 25, 2017, when Noor and two other officers took a woman to hospital and she claimed that they carried out false imprisonment, assault and battery.

According to the ongoing lawsuit, the woman claimed that Noor 'grabbed her right wrist and upper arm' when moving her, leaving her 'immobilised'.

Admittedly, it's a case of the word of the cop vs. 'possible criminal', but when you've got three charges against you, 2 in this year alone, so 2 in 6 months, it does make you wonder about the cop's ability to do the job.

My guess is this guys career is over. He acted in an incredibly unsafe manner firing multiple shots across his partners body through the car door hitting an unarmed victim with very little reason to conclude that he was in danger. Even without prior issues he would have been unlikely to survive an incident involving such questionable judgement---with multiple incidents still under investigation--zero chance he survives.

(07-19-2017 11:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:31 AM)Kronke Wrote:  The foreshadowing is uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg&t=2m19s

"We love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they're so sweet."

I knew immediately upon first hearing about the Somali cop with priors shooting someone for no reason that it was Minneapolis. Their reputation precedes themselves at this point.

Yeah, considering how many other metros have significant Somali populations ...

"You must have an IQ of 160! You are G-D gifted Pvt. Gump!"

(07-19-2017 12:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  1 - people who thought Yanez should've been guilty, will want retribution

The people most upset about Yanez probably view things through a racial lens... The race of the shooter / victim here is not going to make their blood boil.

If anything a conviction of the cop here would piss them off.

Quote:2 - Somali's wanting to defend one of their own

That's not a fair trial anymore than people who want to punish a somoli.

I think you are wrong Bull because, but like I said it's just my guess, not a fact, the anger is towards the police and that a policeman "should've" been guilty and was found not guilty.

Seems we agree on, but like I said it's just my guess, not a fact, the second part.

(07-19-2017 11:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:31 AM)Kronke Wrote:  The foreshadowing is uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg&t=2m19s

"We love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they're so sweet."

"Washington Post saying the Somali cop is the victim because of islamophobia, not the dead woman he shot for no reason."

Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994GGIZKWBo&t=9m45s

(07-19-2017 01:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:31 AM)Kronke Wrote:  The foreshadowing is uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg&t=2m19s

"We love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they're so sweet."

"Washington Post saying the Somali cop is the victim because of Islamohpobia, not the dead woman he shot for no reason."

Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994GGIZKWBo&t=9m45s

Would you expect anything different from WaPo?

(07-19-2017 12:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 12:02 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I did. There isn't one that I found in the first three pages.

"Australian woman calls police, killed by police"... right on the first page of listings..


But to add to the story with more stuff.. only one of the officers is talking (understandable, as Noor has to talk with his legal advisors first)... and he said there was a loud noise just prior to the shooting (or at least the last article I read said this).

Again, I'm still confused as why two "relatively" young officers were put together, and _if_ the Daily Mail story is correct, why Noor was still a police officer.

Quote:Two are from 2017 and one from 2016 is closed and according to Lou Raguse of Kare 11 is marked 'not to be made public'.

The lawsuit stems from a police call on May 25, 2017, when Noor and two other officers took a woman to hospital and she claimed that they carried out false imprisonment, assault and battery.

According to the ongoing lawsuit, the woman claimed that Noor 'grabbed her right wrist and upper arm' when moving her, leaving her 'immobilised'.

Admittedly, it's a case of the word of the cop vs. 'possible criminal', but when you've got three charges against you, 2 in this year alone, so 2 in 6 months, it does make you wonder about the cop's ability to do the job.

My guess is this guys career is over. He acted in an incredibly unsafe manner firing multiple shots across his partners body through the car door hitting an unarmed victim with very little reason to conclude that he was in danger. Even without prior issues he would have been unlikely to survive an incident involving such questionable judgement---with multiple incidents still under investigation--zero chance he survives.

Good.

Whole thing was a one off.

(07-19-2017 12:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think you are wrong Bull because, but like I said it's just my guess, not a fact, the anger is towards the police and that a policeman "should've" been guilty and was found not guilty.

He should have been found guilty *because he shot a black man* is the phrase. Can you name me, aside form this woman, two other unarmed white people who were shot by the police?

If not, can you guess why?

(07-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 11:09 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  He's had 3 incidents prior to this one.

Not everyone has what it takes to be a policeman. This guy doesn't sound like he should be a policeman.

fair enough... I'm not in a position to judge right now but it's certainly true in some cases.

Of course the solution is to pay a whole lot more for police so that 'better' people apply/take the risks....

or for us to be better people and not need as many police.

I wouldn't want one of my kids to be a cop. I'd respect the hell out of them if they wanted to, but I wouldn't want them taking that risk every day... both of getting shot, and of being second-guessed by people not in the situation to the point where you could literally lose everything or worse, go to jail with those whon you CORRECTLY put behind bars..

Claims Washington Post said something, doesn't post link to Washington Post.

Didn't click on the YouTube link and am not going to.

(07-19-2017 02:04 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  He should have been found guilty *because he shot a black man* is the phrase. Can you name me, aside form this woman, two other unarmed white people who were shot by the police?

If not, can you guess why?

I can't answer because I disagree with your baseline premise, as I said. The anger is simply with the police, at the moment.

If you're wanting me to say that, specific to the Castille case that anger immediately following the verdict was because of race, I understand why you want that, but the point here is --- and if you want to skewer me for not better wording my previous thoughts/posts, fine --- there is general anger towards the police here, now.

(07-19-2017 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I wouldn't want one of my kids to be a cop. I'd respect the hell out of them if they wanted to, but I wouldn't want them taking that risk every day... both of getting shot, and of being second-guessed by people not in the situation to the point where you could literally lose everything or worse, go to jail with those whon you CORRECTLY put behind bars..

Agreed 100%

(07-19-2017 02:04 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 12:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think you are wrong Bull because, but like I said it's just my guess, not a fact, the anger is towards the police and that a policeman "should've" been guilty and was found not guilty.

He should have been found guilty *because he shot a black man* is the phrase. Can you name me, aside form this woman, two other unarmed white people who were shot by the police?

If not, can you guess why?

Because white people don't riot, burn stuff, destroy their city when they feel wronged? Because the media doesn't see the story line that they want to pursue, so they don't run story after story about the cops executing white people?

I would guess the answer to why is that it is a combination of both items...Guess what, cops kill white people as well.

http://time.com/4404987/police-violence/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...inority-d/

So Bison, does this seem like a chicken/egg thing to you as well?

Do we solve the problem by recruiting better officers... and if so, how do we accomplish that?

If the solution is to 'come down harder' on police, how does that help us recruit better officers?

I wish I had a decent answer for such a great point.

I would have to first understand: what essentially are the set of benefits that one can expect for being a police officer? Given the inherent risks of the job and what are usually really crappy hours when you start out .... why would anyone want to be a cop?

I think MOST of them want to do 'good'. I think a few, especially in small towns (where they have even fewer applicants) may do it so they can be legalized a-holes... and if they don't get caught/accused, could possibly move up to bigger forces... but let's be honest... NO police force of any consequence wants people who put their lives at risk by being jerks.

I think lots of people like the idea of being a hero.

There are psychological tests that they all go through now

Yeah, I don't have an answer either... but I don't think it lies in making 'the police' the enemy. Sure, there are bad cops, but they are enemies to us all... both the citizens they injure and the cops they put in greater danger