https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...are-repeal

Quote:It’s the “revenge of the GOP women,” Associated Press congressional reporter Alan Fram pointed out, as it became apparent that Republicans would soon have no choice but to throw in the towel on their Obamacare repeal efforts.

By Tuesday afternoon, three Republican senators — all women — had come out against Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s plan to push a vote on a clean Obamacare repeal bill — enough to sink it altogether. Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) confirmed they would not vote for a repeal bill that delayed enacting the policy by two years.

It didn’t take long.

On Monday night, two key defections killed the Senate’s revised health care bill. Voting on a clean repeal bill appeared to be McConnell’s Hail Mary effort to get his conference to vote on some form of Obamacare repeal. But gripes around a closed legislative process, and what would only be more uncertainty to come with a successful repeal-and-delay bill, tanked the effort in less than a day.


It’s notable that the three women who had the final say, vocal in their positions on health care policy, were all cut out of the Senate’s initial working group to draft the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill — a group of 13 men.

I must say this little detail is quite ironic.

So you think they are just on the rag?

Let's see them actually vote no on it. They'll get their chance next week.

Wait a sec... are they saying they can't vote for the repeal bill because it has a 2 year delay? Are they saying they want to repeal immediately?

If so, then I'm with them.

(07-18-2017 10:00 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Wait a sec... are they saying they can't vote for the repeal bill because it has a 2 year delay? Are they saying they want to repeal immediately?

If so, then I'm with them.

Those 3? No. They dont want to vote on anything. Thats the problem.

Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

Collins and Murkowski may vote nay.
The broad from WV, Yay.

Gonna come down to Rand, Heller and a couple others that may well be looking for a job in a number of months.

(07-19-2017 12:03 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Collins and Murkowski may vote nay.
The broad from WV, Yay.

Gonna come down to Rand, Heller and a couple others that may well be looking for a job in a number of months.

Rand is an absolute yay on repeal.

Collins and Murkowski both voted for the repeal the last time, and campaigned on it.

Heller is still hiding under his desk.

The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

(07-19-2017 09:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

Some states created their own exchanges while some refused forcing the feds to cover those exchanges. TN was one of the states that refused to create their own exchange.

Is this related to the Medicaid issue you mentioned?

Im talking about the repeal effort. No one is fighting for the exchanges. The biggest sticking points for repealing Medicare are:

1a. Medicaid cuts - Repealing Medicaid would leave states holding the bag and have to make tough choices if they had previously expanded Medicaid. States DO NOT want to make tough choices

1b. Pre Existing Conditions - Any repeal effort that reinstates pre existing conditions will lead to campaign commercials with "real life" examples of people who had health insurance taken away and now cannot get/afford it because of pre existing conditions. No politician wants to set themselves up for that.

(07-19-2017 10:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Im talking about the repeal effort. No one is fighting for the exchanges. The biggest sticking points for repealing Medicare are:

1a. Medicaid cuts - Repealing Medicaid would leave states holding the bag and have to make tough choices if they had previously expanded Medicaid. States DO NOT want to make tough choices

1b. Pre Existing Conditions - Any repeal effort that reinstates pre existing conditions will lead to campaign commercials with "real life" examples of people who had health insurance taken away and now cannot get/afford it because of pre existing conditions. No politician wants to set themselves up for that.

1B is what is getting voters of Democrats, Republicans and Independents up in arms with the Senators. The town halls of the GoP have changed the minds of many to vote no on the current bill that McConnell/Trump care took place. The bill does not tackle the other main issues of drug prices and all that. Remember EpiPen? That is why the ladies of Maine, Alaska, and West Virginia voted no. The WV lady will vote no on the next vote. Kansas, Wisconsin, Nevada, and several other moderate Senators would vote no. With the Insurance Companies weighing in, that the McConnell's bill would put them out of business. The mandate in the Obamacare was put in there because it was what the insurance companies wanted.

(07-19-2017 10:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

Some states created their own exchanges while some refused forcing the feds to cover those exchanges. TN was one of the states that refused to create their own exchange.

Is this related to the Medicaid issue you mentioned?

No.

"Exchanges" are simply a Trivago for health insurance Co's and plans, you can view them all in one place, compare side by side, price, "benefits" or whatever else.

The Medicaid expansion was more similar, or almost identical, to the crack appeal of the tobacco "settlement" from years ago. Feds, (read zerO care) offering a 2-3 year cover for the expansion at something like 80-90%, then it gets fazed out and the State that smoked the crack is now on the hook for that expansion.

Total. Utter. Complete. Dumbassery for any of those States that decided to do so, simply another unfunded Federal mandate. The white paper for Kentucky was actually posted here at the time, so it's probably still around, go take a look as an example.

No doubt the thinking was "We'll do this now, and of course the Feds will still continue funding cause once there's an entitlement, we've not ever gotten rid of a one.

But. Funny thing happened to our trip to the socialist utopia. Some folks finally got woked.

(07-21-2017 01:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

Some states created their own exchanges while some refused forcing the feds to cover those exchanges. TN was one of the states that refused to create their own exchange.

Is this related to the Medicaid issue you mentioned?

No.

"Exchanges" are simply a Trivago for health insurance Co's and plans, you can view them all in one place, compare side by side, price, "benefits" or whatever else.

The Medicaid expansion was more similar, or almost identical, to the crack appeal of the tobacco "settlement" from years ago. Feds, (read zerO care) offering a 2-3 year cover for the expansion at something like 80-90%, then it gets fazed out and the State that smoked the crack is now on the hook for that expansion.

Total. Utter. Complete. Dumbassery for any of those States that decided to do so, simply another unfunded Federal mandate. The white paper for Kentucky was actually posted here at the time, so it's probably still around, go take a look as an example.

No doubt the thinking was "We'll do this now, and of course the Feds will still continue funding cause once there's an entitlement, we've not ever gotten rid of a one.

But. Funny thing happened to our trip to the socialist utopia. Some folks finally got woked.

One of the republican dumbasses who did expand medicaid in their state.

(07-21-2017 10:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 01:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

Some states created their own exchanges while some refused forcing the feds to cover those exchanges. TN was one of the states that refused to create their own exchange.

Is this related to the Medicaid issue you mentioned?

No.

"Exchanges" are simply a Trivago for health insurance Co's and plans, you can view them all in one place, compare side by side, price, "benefits" or whatever else.

The Medicaid expansion was more similar, or almost identical, to the crack appeal of the tobacco "settlement" from years ago. Feds, (read zerO care) offering a 2-3 year cover for the expansion at something like 80-90%, then it gets fazed out and the State that smoked the crack is now on the hook for that expansion.

Total. Utter. Complete. Dumbassery for any of those States that decided to do so, simply another unfunded Federal mandate. The white paper for Kentucky was actually posted here at the time, so it's probably still around, go take a look as an example.

No doubt the thinking was "We'll do this now, and of course the Feds will still continue funding cause once there's an entitlement, we've not ever gotten rid of a one.

But. Funny thing happened to our trip to the socialist utopia. Some folks finally got woked.

One of the republican dumbasses who did expand medicaid in their state.

Didn't you hear? That clown was going to wipe the floor with Hillary. We totally should've given him the nomination.

(07-21-2017 10:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 01:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The problem is Medicaid. Obamacare gave the states money to expand Medicaid and if it goes away the States, not the Feds who passed it, have to kick people off Medicaid or find a way to pay for it w/o federal funds. This is why states like NC wisely did not expand Medicaid because they knew this TOXIC piece of legislation would not last. Now the ones that did are crying because they will have to make tough choices.

Some states created their own exchanges while some refused forcing the feds to cover those exchanges. TN was one of the states that refused to create their own exchange.

Is this related to the Medicaid issue you mentioned?

No.

"Exchanges" are simply a Trivago for health insurance Co's and plans, you can view them all in one place, compare side by side, price, "benefits" or whatever else.

The Medicaid expansion was more similar, or almost identical, to the crack appeal of the tobacco "settlement" from years ago. Feds, (read zerO care) offering a 2-3 year cover for the expansion at something like 80-90%, then it gets fazed out and the State that smoked the crack is now on the hook for that expansion.

Total. Utter. Complete. Dumbassery for any of those States that decided to do so, simply another unfunded Federal mandate. The white paper for Kentucky was actually posted here at the time, so it's probably still around, go take a look as an example.

No doubt the thinking was "We'll do this now, and of course the Feds will still continue funding cause once there's an entitlement, we've not ever gotten rid of a one.

But. Funny thing happened to our trip to the socialist utopia. Some folks finally got woked.

One of the republican dumbasses who did expand medicaid in their state.

He must be one of the smartest dumbasses who have saved many people lives who never have care or afford insurance before ObamaCare.

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

If you repeal or pass that crappy laws that both the house and Senate passed? Kiss rural hospitals goodbye. The ObamaCare and Medicaid Expansion saved those jobs and hospitals from closing. If you unravel ObamaCare? It could cause chaos in the medical field.

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.