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(07-19-2017 05:41 AM)surfsalot Wrote:  Valid points, just don't see him being a 4 this year. Maybe by his senior year he will have those skills, but not this year.

Only way he'll pick up those skills is by practicing and playing as a 4. If the end goal is for him to be a true 4, then we can't just wait until his Senior year to play him there.
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(07-19-2017 08:10 AM)94Hawk Wrote:  Losing the guy to K State hurts but I'd play Cacok at the 5 and run like crazy. It has worked for the past 3 years.

In CAA games, it's worked terrifically. But it's also system that didn't quite work at the next level. Cacok got swallowed up in the post against both Duke and UVA. The minute Gettys, a True Center, got into foul trouble and had to come out, we got exposed there (as much as people complained about him, we had a halftime lead over Duke with him getting serious minutes). And our defensive efficiency wasn't great in either contest.

We can still run very easily with Cacok at the 4 and more of a true center at the 5. I don't think it's truly an either/or type of proposition.
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I know I'm going to get away a bit from the topic here, but.....

We just need to be patient. We don't have full picture of just how the system under McGrath is going to look.....and that's OK. Just because we've had a coach who followed the UNC brand of play before (Buzz), and just because we loved what Keatts brought to the table does NOT automatically mean the following:

1) That McGrath's system will resemble Buzz's.

2) That his system will NOT embrace some of the tenants of what worked under Keatts.

3) That there's only one way to win basketball games.


When Keatts arrived, I wrongly felt (at first) that playing at a fast pace wouldn't work, because I felt the "Brownell style" was the only way to win at the mid-major level. Until I considered what VCU did under Shaka.

When McGrath arrived, at first, I wasn't happy at all with the hire, because I really didn't think the "Carolina Way" could work here because of our past under Buzz. But it's a perspective that isn't fair to McGrath. (And it's not really even fair to Buzz, really, given that he was thrown into a horrible situation under DePaolo and Mehrtens. But that's a topic for a different thread.)

Now, some of us seem to be thinking the Keatts method is the only way to win. Not true. The game is shifting to a fast-paced style, true. But there isn't any evidence we're completely abandoning that and are going to play like Bruiser Flint's Drexel teams. Until proven otherwise, I imagine McGrath will implement a system that both attempts to utilize the talent we have AND have elements of what he's more used to. And we know UNC likes to use their athleticism and play fast.

Maybe we can have the best of both worlds? A system that runs fast on offense but still can play solid halfcourt defense? One can dream right?
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07-19-2017 10:25 AM
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I just hope that what CB does looks and works more like what Jerod Haase does than what Cherry, Miller and Lebo do
07-19-2017 11:32 AM
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Dean Smith has a fantastic coaching tree. I'm not sure why anyone would take examples of past failures and evaluate CB through that lens exclusively. I can't think of anyone that developed and trusted their bench more than Coach Smith, and Roy Williams is the same now. We saw the importance of player development under Keatts. Out of all of the Carolina basketball characteristics that I expect to translate, development is the one that I'm counting on the most.

Billy Packer lambasted Smith for playing Henrik Rodl with less than 10 minutes to play in the second half of the championship game in 1993, just as many said laughed at a Carolina lineup that included Luke Maye getting significant playing time. Those guys were developed, held to the same standard as the regulars, and given opportunities to play throughout the season so that they would be prepared for bigger moments. I'm not trying to celebrate Carolina, but I think there will be a lot of complaining about rotations and playing time during the regular season by our fans. Everyone needs to understand Smith, Williams, and I assume, McGrath will give guys like Cacok, Estime, Fornes, Taylor and Gary minutes in critical situations that we don't understand or at a position that we disagree with.
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I don't think we'll look at all like Buzz or Lebo. But, I do believe based on his recruiting so far we'll have a more traditional lineup with a power forward and a true center.

What we'll be missing is the press as a fundamental part of our game plan compared to Keatts. This is where my concern arises. I thought the press negated advantages of other teams and took superior recruiting advantages away. As a midmajor we have to have an identity and a way to overcome superior recruiting in bigger conferences.

The one knock I had in Keatts is we never won "the" game that we could say proved we could beat a major. Close, but no cigar. But, is that the measuring stick, or is winning CAA championships? Personally, I was thrilled winning championships and getting to the NCAA. IMO, the wins were just a matter of time.

I just hope we can maintain success which will lead to strong recruiting in the future. I honestly have no clue how we will play or if we'll succeed. So many changes there is no way of making any sort of prediction based on fact.
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I think getting to the point where we don't even need to win the CAA title to get into the dance needs to be the goal. To do that, we need signature wins in the regular season.

Winning games when we GET to the NCAA's is indeed something that will come with time, and would have under Keatts eventually. But we also needed to prove ourselves in the Regular season against upper level competition, which proved difficult. We performed great against Louisville in Keatts' first year, true, and we also had a tremendous comeback against Georgetown in Year 2. But we really shouldn't have been getting essentially whooped by Clemson in Year 3 of his tenure.

Given how few quality games we have been able to schedule, we have to take advantage the few chances we get at quality wins.

I remember being in a bar for that Georgetown game. People watching were going "who the hell is UNCW?" Hopefully we can make that change over time under C.B.
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(07-19-2017 02:09 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I think getting to the point where we don't even need to win the CAA title to get into the dance needs to be the goal. To do that, we need signature wins in the regular season.

Padding the schedule with DIII teams doesn't fool anyone...particularly the NCAA selection committee.
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(07-19-2017 12:23 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Everyone needs to understand Smith, Williams, and I assume, McGrath will give guys like Cacok, Estime, Fornes, Taylor and Gary minutes in critical situations that we don't understand or at a position that we disagree with.

I'm 100% all for giving Cacock time in critical situations. Beast.
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With Cacok, minutes won't be an issue, but I can see people complaining about his role. For example, he hits a mid-season lull and we have fans that label the "experiment" a failure and demand that he go back to his "natural" position.
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